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Posted June 01, 2016
read all you can it happening and games have always been a target. i hope GoG makes it i know steam has had to block games in areas:( what you guys thing
Posted June 01, 2016
I think it doesn't affect you and we should hear from people it actually does affect.
Posted June 01, 2016
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paladin181: I think it doesn't affect you and we should hear from people it actually does affect.
I don't think anyone needs to hear anything from politically correct feminazis. The problem is that we hear too much from them even though they cry about never getting a voice. :P
Posted June 01, 2016
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MaximumBunny: I don't think anyone needs to hear anything from politically correct feminazis. The problem is that we hear too much from them even though they cry about never getting a voice. :P
Well, is that who is affected by the games that are being taken off the shelf? Is it really happening? I don't live in any of the affected areas, so I can't say. But I can say that I'd like to hear from people who are directly affected, if anyone besides Germans are since Germans have some weird laws that are misinterpreted and often over-enforced.
Posted June 01, 2016
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paladin181: I think it doesn't affect you and we should hear from people it actually does affect.
when it comes to politicians no such thing as just the tip
Posted June 01, 2016
We used to hang those affected by hate speech.
Posted June 01, 2016
Guys this is what he's talking about : http://archive.is/tHaR7 Its the social media companies that are taking ''anti hate speech'' to beyond minimum legally required levels. Depressing.
Posted June 01, 2016
I still remember when you could actually downvote YouTube comments.

Can't do that now, in case some poor delicate snowflake gets upset.
Posted June 01, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: Guys this is what he's talking about : http://archive.is/tHaR7 Its the social media companies that are taking ''anti hate speech'' to beyond minimum legally required levels. Depressing.
That's terrible. Free speech and all, unless you're saying something we don't like.

Fuck that noise. Thankfully for me, at least, those policies would NEVER fly here and the backlash would be over the top. I don't have to agree with what you say to support your right to say it.
Posted June 01, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: Guys this is what he's talking about : http://archive.is/tHaR7 Its the social media companies that are taking ''anti hate speech'' to beyond minimum legally required levels. Depressing.
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paladin181: That's terrible. Free speech and all, unless you're saying something we don't like.

Fuck that noise. Thankfully for me, at least, those policies would NEVER fly here and the backlash would be over the top. I don't have to agree with what you say to support your right to say it.
That link isn't working for me, what's in there?
Posted June 01, 2016
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Hunter65536: That link isn't working for me, what's in there?
C&P
Facebook, Twitter, Google, and Microsoft agree to EU hate speech rules
New "code of conduct" aims to combat illegal hate speech and terrorist propaganda

Facebook, Twitter, Microsoft, and YouTube today agreed to European regulations that require them to review "the majority of" hateful online content within 24 hours of being notified — and to remove it, if necessary — as part of a new "code of conduct" aimed at combating hate speech and terrorist propaganda across the EU. The new rules, announced Tuesday by the European Commission, also oblige the tech companies to identify and promote "independent counter-narratives" to hate speech and propaganda published online.

Hate speech and propaganda have become a major concern for European governments following terrorist attacks in Brussels and Paris, and amid the ongoing refugee crisis, which has inflamed racial tensions in some countries. Facebook has been working with the German government to more proactively combat racist or xenophobic content, after facing initial criticism from the country's justice minister. Facebook, Twitter, and Google also previously agreed to remove hate speech from their platforms within 24 hours in Germany.

The EU has pushing for web companies to combat terrorist propaganda, as well, with some developing their own material to counter efforts from groups like ISIS. The code of conduct announced today marks the first effort to unify policy on online hate speech across the EU.

"The recent terror attacks have reminded us of the urgent need to address illegal online hate speech," Vĕra Jourová, the EU commissioner for justice, consumers, and gender equality, said in a statement Tuesday. "Social media is unfortunately one of the tools that terrorist groups use to radicalize young people and to spread violence and hatred."

Europe's crackdown on hate speech has put tech companies in a difficult situation, as governments push them to assume more responsibility in policing illegal content. In statements on the code of conduct, all four tech companies said they remain committed to cracking down on illegal hate speech while still allowing for the free flow of information across their platforms.

“We’re committed to giving people access to information through our services, but we have always prohibited illegal hate speech on our platforms," Lie Junius, Google's head of public policy and government relations, said in a statement. "We have efficient systems to review valid notifications in less than 24 hours and to remove illegal content. We are pleased to work with the Commission to develop co- and self-regulatory approaches to fighting hate speech online."
Posted June 01, 2016
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paladin181: Snip
Thank you so much, I really appreciate it!

Edit: they say that they want to curb terrorist propaganda but the targets they talk about are neither terrorists not propagandists they are just expressing their opinion against refugees. It seems like a slippery slope to me, now it's refugees tomorrow it might be extended to cover all speech against government which is against spirit of democracy itself. Democracy is about conversation not shutting down those who don't share the same views as you IMO, I guess I was wrong in thinking so.
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Posted June 01, 2016
I can already see todays satirical comment by a comedian, even just non-terrorist Bob from next door, being fined/arrested for "hate speech" for speaking out against the next government tax descission.

Hard to argue against a branding that sounds as strong as "hate speech".

The other negative is that this abusal leads to watering down actual hate speech since at such a point everybody normal in the head usually puts it in the same spot as government speech control.

I like to be pleasant surprised and see it actually does what it is promoted to do by aiming only at political motivated groups with murderous intend (like IS) instead of individual persons. But right now I just read Orwell written all over it.
Posted June 01, 2016
For the largest part, the biggest critics of "censorship of free speech" in relation to hate speech are the very ones that perpetrate the actual hate speech in the first place. You know, the ones that would have us all believe that there's some kind of mass Jewish conspiracy, that all Muslims are complicit in a plot to islamise Europe and the US, that gays have some kind of "agenda" and that it is a "lifestyle", and that women's rights are just a conspiracy to emasculate men.

Facebook, Twitter and Google in particular have been remarkably lax in keeping hate speech under control, which is why far-right, Islamic extremist and gender extremist groups have been allow to widely use Facebook and Twitter in particular as propaganda platforms (the far left as well, but they're more guilty of inciting violence against political interests - capitalism and the far right mostly - as opposed to against races, religions or genders).

I just hope that in the implementation of these rules, they don't go too far in the other direction by suppressing legitimate political discussion in an excess of caution (mind you, actual legitimate political discussion rarely finds a home on online forums - that's usually the reserve of RL).

For the most part, I find the EC's new regulations long-overdue, and I think it's important to mandate the removal of hate speech. I am a little concerned, however, about the role of these tech companies in promoting "counter-narratives". I find such counter-narratives important, but it's not the role of these platforms to adopt an overarching political position outside of the extremes, and it fails to recognise that views are rarely black and white. If common sense prevails, they'll keep such "counter-narratives" within the realm of providing evidence that propaganda is false or misleading (Hoax Slayers for instance) and not adopt a specific political position.

I also hope that these rules will cover the full gamut of hate speech: Islamophobia from the far right; misogyny from the far right, islamists and so-called "men's rights" groups, anti-semitism from the far left, far right and islamists, general racism from the far right, and misandry from extreme feminists.
Posted June 01, 2016
Wait, so now we're outraged that bigots and racists can't spout their ignorant shit on social media without getting their comments removed?

I'm all for free speech, but I can't actually see what the problem is here...

Sure there is a potential for misuse or mistake here, it's monitored by humans and we're all fallible, but I really don't see that making a commitment to review any comments reported as hate speech quickly is the end of the world..
Are they going to block some comments wrongfully?
Sure, but they do that already anyway, they just take longer about it.
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