drealmer7: I think I see your issue. To clarify:

if we (as individuals) knew the answer to the question, we could have it in our heads and use it to speculate, internally - that is good speculation about the roles at this point, to ourselves - it would be okay that we knew that others knew the answer (but only if we all did, if we knew that only JMich knew the answer, that would not be good.)

I should have said "Discussing our role-speculation at this point is not a good idea, keep it inside."

drealmer7: It was a pre-emptive message, not intended to push you at all just yet. That is why I said "I know it is saturday and game just started" - maybe I should have waited and not said anything and only actually said something if an issue arose, I suppose that could have been even more civil than the "civil message" I tried to express, because obviously I upset you a bit and I definitely didn't mean to!

I have to ask (and others should ask themselves) if that is faked ire, because I did think I made it clear.

And I singled out you and JMich because of the group here, I know of the two of you to be more lurky than I like (though not always - I find you often toe the line between just acceptable amount of inputs throughout a Day and not, it depends on the Day, and game, I would say 60% of the time I want more, 30% of the time I make do, and only 10% of the time am I like "yes! that's what I like! more talking from trent!" - it's more severe and different with JMich, but that is why I singled out the two of you) - I don't know the lurk qualities of the others, but it does apply to everyone, certainly.

Let's have fun together this game, eh?! I offer you the bong (it's shaped like a mushroom) with some smurfweed as a peace offering between us.

if I had to lean one way over the other on gogtrial...mmm...I'd say derpy - at first I think I was leaning scummy, but subsequent message has it a bit noobish purity in there

hey look, I think this is going to be a post-merge (unless someone else has posted in the interim)

that feels good to not have to wait to say, I wanted to put it at the end of the message because brasas had been asking, then forgot

Nachomamma8: snip

drealmer7: snip

if I had to lean one way over the other on gogtrial...mmm...I'd say derpy - at first I think I was leaning scummy, but subsequent message has it a bit noobish purity in there

trentonlf: snip

trentonlf: There was no ire at all and if you perceive it that way it's on you. All I did was point out how before the game had even gotten beyond one day you are already putting me and JMich in a bad light (implying we are going to lurk) based on your personal opinion of our play style, and that's scummy. As for a bong I have never touched one and have no desire to touch one. If someone wants to get high more power to them, I have no desire to partake.

Nachomamma8: Please outline exactly how my post informed scum in any way whatsoever or keep your crappy accusations to yourself.

Brasas: TOWN ALL THE WAY SIR! I'M IN THE BEST MOOD SIR!

Open(ish) setup is a different ballgame :) and Oakwood was very stressful for a number of non wolfy reasons.

Also, I always at least try to get to know some players I haven't met before while things are slow. You might recall I did engage Stan, Tammy early in Oakwood and was asking Yog to comment on you all. :)

Anyway, derp-scum trial would not be rolefishing in the traditional sense - he might have been setupfishing by overestimating its importance for scum. Derp-town trial reads as per your scenario yes, with the obvious PR caveat exception, which is the only reason I haven't actually voted him and moved out of RVS.

TL:DR I'm so town and you better believe it.

Nachomamma8: Setupfishing, rolefishing, either takes a very special mindset when coming from scum in their very very first post and Trial doesn't really look like the type who would take such a big leap of faith right off the bat, even for the scumteam. I'm sorry for trying to ruin your hopes and dreams of him being scum, though; I mean, just because I don't approve doesn't mean that you can't follow your heart.... I just won't be able to support you in good conscious :(

drealmer7: even that post of yours feels a bit fishy and I'm hesistant to respond

which is why I kept it super basic

and that's about all I'm going to engage with that, if you disagree, fine, continue on your path and see where it gets you

my votes still here

drealmer7: You're missing the possibility that he probably wouldn't even be fully aware of what certain things might constitute fishing or how deep the implications of such fishing could be seen as in order to stop himself before making the post.

Nachomamma8: snip

Brasas: Wait, do you actually know him? 0_o

All I got to say is noobs can slip just like vets... they just slip different...

Nachomamma8: snip

Brasas: Well, at least we get to know each other a bit more. :) So what did you think of the Oakwood game?

Brasas: Nacho, I'm getting what you say, but how you say it... I'm getting all kinds of weird vibes...

mamma mia, here I go again... my my... how can I resist u?

So, gentle smurfs, any more opinions on Nacho's Trial?

gogtrial34987: I loved reading it; both the flavour and the interactions. Around the second game day there I had convinced myself I wanted to participate. The game on the third day (particularly the various role claim messages) actually was a bit ... intimidating? ...by how good it was, but eh, I figured the swiftest way to learn is to dive in.

And heh, I'm learning alright! Would be nice if half the conversation wasn't about the big mistake I made with my very first post (it's not nice to hear yourself called naive and realize that it's probably a fair assessment), but on the other hand, since the only people - besides myself - who know for certain that I'm Town are scum, the reactions to me might turn out to be quite telling. (I started keeping some statistical notes, but that's quickly exploding and becoming totally unwieldy... :/ )

24 hours since the game opened now, and nothing yet from Lift or (substantially) from Hunter.

Nachomamma8: Do you have any opinions about the people who have defended you thus far?

drealmer7: there are LOTS of reasons, but I'll keep it basic:

let's say there's 3 scum, the 10th slot was made a traitor

now he knows what you think and can use it to his advantage

Hunter65536: Seems like a bit of an overreach to me, if the Matrix itself is balanced setup then the 10th role wouldn't be something that would tip the balance in side of any particular team, that is my opinion on 10th slot.