Bleh, not really, but it's likely to be a low-key affair. Am dreading the grocery check-out lines though.

I'm still concerned as to why there was two NK's, that does not bode well for town. If we lynch wrong and there is two NK's again we lose. As for the two NK's the only thing that fits is the 10th person did one of them. So whatever we do today waiting until the last minute to talk about it is not good for town. So the longer Nacho takes to post anything of merit makes me feel his intentions are not town aligned.


@Bler you are one crazy Smurf if you've waited this long to buy your groceries for Thanksgiving. I dread going to the store the week of Thanksgiving so I buy everything possible the week before.

Yeah, kind of a hibernation in anticipation of participation. I'm basically a poet.

Small talk then?
At this point, I should admit that if, say, poor flub had done half of the things gogtrial did in this game I would be ready to destroy him.
The D1 last-minute against vote against me irks me. It could very easily have been a clumsy attempt to further dilute the voting pool. I do like the fact that he was the first one to vote for drealmer in D2 though. I mean, yes, it was a fairly safe bet that drealmer was dying either way, however, trial has done a good job establishing himself as enough of a newbie to make forgiving certain things easier.

You and gogtrial are on my list of not voting for, so for me it comes down to Hunter or Nacho.

Hunter's D1 posts

1st real post
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/mafia_game_thread_smurfia_the_smurfiest_mafia_game_ever_43/post75
"Seems like a bit of an overreach to me, if the Matrix itself is balanced setup then the 10th role wouldn't be something that would tip the balance in side of any particular team, that is my opinion on 10th slot.

On day 1 drealmer always seems a bit weird to me for some reason I can't understand. (Not many games together but still)"

2nd post
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/mafia_game_thread_smurfia_the_smurfiest_mafia_game_ever_43/post91
"Role speculation this early is bad I understand that but I felt that talking possible alignments for 10th role would not carry any of those risks the former does IMO."

3rd post
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/mafia_game_thread_smurfia_the_smurfiest_mafia_game_ever_43/post117
" Exactly what I said(or rather meant to convey) when gogtrial asked if I didn't think role speculation was inadvisable."

4rth post
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/mafia_game_thread_smurfia_the_smurfiest_mafia_game_ever_43/post146
"Eh, can't agree with that since it seems a bit flimsy. Seems like confirmation bias to me, you strongly believe trial is scum so maybe you're seeing evidence even when there is none.

@drealmer what's your take on brasas's theory? (This and the previous Shakespearean post)

@trial where's your vote leaning as of now?"

5th post
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/mafia_game_thread_smurfia_the_smurfiest_mafia_game_ever_43/post168
"@brasas Seeing your arguments doesn't it make more sense to vote Nacho? The way I see it trial has some reasons for acting the way he did (being new to this, there's scope for benefit of doubt) whereas there is no such thing for Nacho. Also as you've said above there's discrepancies between what he's done before and what he's claiming to have done. (Regarding his scum play style)

Since deadline is approaching quick I'm going to go with Nacho as my top pick, I suspect that either they're scum buddies or Nacho is scum defending townie (flimsily) for credibility for day 2. Either way Nacho seems to be a better place to rest my vote.

Vote Nachomamma8"

6th post
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/mafia_game_thread_smurfia_the_smurfiest_mafia_game_ever_43/post197
Not going to vote drealmer, his wagon is pretty boring.

@wyrm are you satisfied with the reply you got from Nacho?

He's talking about game 34 (my first game) and this is my 4th game so I am relatively new to this. Things were a bit hectic irl (presentations, quizzes, etc.) so my participation was pretty limited on day 1.

7th post
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/mafia_game_thread_smurfia_the_smurfiest_mafia_game_ever_43/post199


8th post
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/mafia_game_thread_smurfia_the_smurfiest_mafia_game_ever_43/post235
"Hypothetically if you're town then he just wants to be seen defending you so that if you're lynched and flip town he gets some credibility on d2."

Not much substance there.
Some setup speculation, some "good ol'dreamer being weird in D1" and of course the "boring" wagon standing out.
He has been somewhat consistent in going after nacho.

My working assumption is that we have 2 non-town players in the game at the moment. Could be wrong. :/

I really wish we had had a proper D2, at least we'd have more posts to work with.

I brought up the deadline to make sure that those who've had their doubts on Nacho like myself would vote before it went to no lynch. Since brasas's observation implied that trial and Nacho could be scum I felt Nacho would be a sure hit compared to trial because most of what he did could be explained with other reasons. (Explained in post 168)

Well I see us getting nowhere fast. If Nacho has not replied in the next 6-8 hours I will be voting him again.

The late D3 Vote Count


Nacho (1): Hunter

Not voting (4): Darko, Trial, Nacho, Trent

Maj = 3, Nacho closest to being smurfed into the Smurfmatic Smurfmotabulator at L-2.

Deadline Wed at noon pacific, <28 hours ahead.


mod-note: Nacho has been warned and is on the clock.

Going back to Nacho's posts, I see participation in the role/setup speculation, defending trial and his back and forth with brasas on it, going after lurkers (specifically JMich, not hunter). His JMich vote seems to be the only non-RVS vote he didn't mess up, the other 2 being Drealmer.


Drealmer claimed he wanted a lynch out of the trial/nacho/brasas trio, but his vote never reflected that. He went straight from Lift to JMich, but I just noticed that he hadn't unvoted either, so that never counted.

Do you think the incorrect votes were intinional?

It does strike me as somewhat odd that an experienced mafia/GOGmafia(?) player had no better choice for a lynch other than a lurker.

Who knows. Nacho seems to have some personal trouble atm, but since I have to judge what I can read here I find those votes problematic.

On drealmer's JMich vote though, it depends on whether he wanted a lynch. Push people to a JMich wagon after the claim while assuring town still won't have a lynch/D2 info to work with. Or a mistake caused by his panic over almost getting lynched. Probably the latter.

I feel you are probably right on drealmer, and I agree about Nacho. If Nacho is not scum he has to be some sort of neutral as I can't see his play as an experienced town player.

Nachos last post currently says it was posted "2 days ago". Does that happen after 48 hours, or earlier? Either way, seems to me significantly above the 36 hour limit.

@Nacho: hope everything is alright with you and yours. (I worry due to your "weekend not of the mafia kind" following relatively shortly on "love of my life is in pain". Hope that whatever is keeping you is just an annoyance.)

I also hope you'll indeed turn out to be scum.