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Posted November 16, 2016
There are many rambles I have to go if nothing I wrote makes sense I'll make it make sense later. Find someone to lynch and kill them. I suggest JMich. I'm open to alternatives.

My townreads are Trial, Trent, Brasas. I won't lynch Wyrm today despite not explicitly townreading him. Everyone else is fair game.
Posted November 16, 2016
The walls are killing me, it's late and I'll read all that carefully tomorrow.

I will say, however, that us Greeks aren't all related to each other. That was just Brasas joking (I think).
Posted November 16, 2016
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DarkoD13: The walls are killing me, it's late and I'll read all that carefully tomorrow.

I will say, however, that us Greeks aren't all related to each other. That was just Brasas joking (I think).
Sorry on both counts.
Blame both things on Brasas, short story is I don't think JMich has done anything that remotely looks like scumhunting and I think doing as little as he has almost has to be intentional. I think that people should start pushing scumreads since day ends in two days and I won't be available on Day #2.
Posted November 16, 2016
hey all, I caught up earlier when I said but then had to go to work!! (that brasas summary post was fun!)

and now I'm catching up AGAIN

I am exhausted, but I'ma at least give something before crashing to bed - more likelihood is that I will crash to bed and then wake up early and be IN the game, but I'll definitely post something more than this before bed even if I'm not all the way caught up and it has to be about something that may now be irrelevant, but hey, when I talk about it, it's not irrelevant, EVER!

here we go!!! *readread*
Posted November 16, 2016
Okay so the first thing that sticks out to me as I read is:

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Lifthrasil: ... The question is: did you forget that there was a N0? Or did you not know what that meant? Or did you just pretend to have forgotten that a N0 existed, because you talked to scum buddies in N0 and wanted to pretend that you weren't active in N0? (Yea, a bit convoluted. But convoluted thinking is the WIFOM-y core of Mafia)
PINGPINGPINGPING actually more than just "sticks out" -

lift votes me and I go "is this a townlift fishing for a reaction or misguided or is it scumlift trying to find any little thing to grasp onto like he does sometimes?" - but I figure I let it pass and only address it again if it really becomes an issue and move on, but then I get the same sort of feel when I read this with gogtrial -

so first I'll give my assessment of gogtrial:

who of course I've been reading and watching and "feeling" and am pretty much getting new player feeling things out through and through - the brain does its checks *are you sure this isn't just being played* - and I can't BE SURE, but, I feel pretty sure - will be keeping an eye, of course -

but now with the quote above it seems really like he's picking searching for something to grasp on on anyone who may seem vulnerable, seeming like he hopes hat some others will grasp on. tis how I'm starting to read him, will continue on...but as of now both of those things seem like, hmmmmm, lift is scummy, yepper I like my vote there...

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Hunter65536: @drealmer what's your take on brasas's theory? (This and the previous Shakespearean post)
and now I've gone through brasass's's's''' stuff and am here and so I'll say what I was thinking about brasasas stuff

while I was reading 145 I started to think "ya know, this is really sounding like brasas from Oakwood" and so I go back and read the rest of his posts (which didn't really GIVE that feel like 145 did) and I don't know how I missed feeling it in those posts, because it just all feels like brasas now, brasas from oakwood, brasas from here, exactly the same - does that mean he's scum? Idunno, but, now it's in my brain...do others feel the same brasas as Oakwood? I have different perspective so am not even sure I should settle on that (though, maybe that gives mea better perspective? I'm not sure?)

...

and then I see him going at trial...and going at trial...oh and he votes for trial

does brasas see an easy target? While an excellent player he is still a new player who might be wanting to try his chops on some more tender meat before trying to digest some of the harder cookies to crack, in an obviously smaller team with more risk for exposure - if he's scum again is he daunted by the task of having to repeat performance, because he did kick ass in Oakwood? and so, again, doesn't want to bite off too much too fast here - gah - I certainly can't help but think it...

and sooo, brain goes :

Lift + Brasas team? hmmmm...

*reads further*
Posted November 16, 2016
I read the first page when I thought I was reading the 8th page and I had a heart attack when i thought someone was lynched.
Posted November 16, 2016
I've also done nothing more than skim because I'm tired but Brasas looks nothing like Oakwood and I don't think that I'm tender meat that he can sink his teeth into but maybe that's just me?
Posted November 16, 2016
Eh, I was hoping that drealmer would have a little more before he went to sleep; to all of you nice people posting while I am passed out, please give JMich opinions if you're able.
Posted November 16, 2016
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Nachomamma8: ...Find me scumreads. Lynch them...
HEY! I gave you a SOLID townread! I mostly scumread everyone (this is what gets me into trouble most of the time I just lay my scumreads on everyone and everyone gets mad and it's not really helpful, so I'ma try and focus more and not distract with THIS PERSON COULD BE BECAUSE soooo much) - so be happy! especially now. I'm loving this trent these past two games now. Go trent go~!

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Nachomamma8: I've already expressed that the character judgment was based on him seeming legitimately new and lost - I don't think that a legitimately new player rolefishes in that fashion to gain an advantage for the team. What about this is unreasonable and ridiculous and so distasteful for you?
okay this is bothering me and STILL hasn't been resolved and it feels like you're all dicking around each other trying to bait each other or masterbait each other or I don't know but okay so I step in:

NACHO - the point you are missing that I don't know why is that it is likely a NEW PLAYER doesn't KNOW that certain actions may constitute role-fishing, it comes from ignorance/naivity, they don't have the awareness and so do it without meaning to, EVEN IF in N0 scumchat his buddies coached him about things "make sure you dont' ______ or ____ or _____" to who knows how many degrees(even upon his asking"hey I want to make sure I don't do this how do I not do this? this this?) he could still not realize certian things do certain things, so your stance just seems OFF for not just *knowing* this inherently, especially with frequent newer players that you're used to - I'm with wrym

accumulate that with the slight sr I had before on nacho and I'd say I'm comfy with him or brasas or lift today - hmmm, nacho and brasas again? that'd be something, and if so I look forward to the scum-chat because you guys, like, barely even talked that last Night together, it was weird...

will be looking for how the chemistry is between these two players and how it compares to last game, definitely

I see another longish nacho post so I'm going to digest that before going to bed but then go to bed and be with you all tomorrow for a while before work, after work, and then I am around ALL thursday - we will get a good wagon and lynch before deadline! there's a lot of meat here, it is great!!!
Posted November 16, 2016
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Nachomamma8: Eh, I was hoping that drealmer would have a little more before he went to sleep; to all of you nice people posting while I am passed out, please give JMich opinions if you're able.
In almost every game I've played with JMich he does not post hardly at all on Day 1 unless someone asks him a specific question. I am not saying this to give JMich a pass for not being involved, but it is how he plays Day 1. Once there is more info to go on JMich will be more involved. I think JMich dislikes Day 1 more than me, and I really don't like Day 1 (it's way too long in most games and there's no real info to go on so all we do is overthink everything and get extra paranoid). For me it's very hard to get any kind of read on JMich Day 1.
Posted November 16, 2016
so I had to get some food and then come back
but I'm so fucking beat so I'ma try and be brief but pointed
try
try

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Nachomamma8: And (as an addendum to the last post just in case they don't get merged), if it's not that some of my posts are small and not very engaged then I'd be interested in hearing why you think that I could be scum because I feel pretty fucking town right now.
you feel town? or you feel you look town from an objective viewpoint?

it's little nuances like this that ping me ever so slightly and I see just a few its and bits like this through your posts - it very likely could be unfamiliarty with you, I suppose, but they do seem off

If I had been reading Oakwood objectively without knowledge, you'd have been an early scum-read for me I'm pretty sure, especially your opening post!~

very simply: I think you could be scum because you could be scum, but I generally tend to have a high suspicion factor for the entire playerlist until I start to feel otherwise (like what happened with trent!) - so it's more a matter of picking from my TOPS TOPS - if it makes you feel better, you're 3rd from the top, and the drop-off from 2-3 is significant - enough that I'd have a much harder time switching a vote to you with how things are than I would lift or brasas if it came down to it.

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Nachomamma8: Why did you immediately jump from "you're scum!" to "you're letting generalities cloud your judgment"? The latter seems like you think there's a pretty strong chance that he's town? And if you think that's his general playstyle, then why'd you jump on him for it considering your reason for attacking him initially was criticizing him for not taking your playstyle into account?
I often share my thought processes in my posts. It is his general play style and NAI from a broad stance because of that, but even so when you get down to a case by case basis you've got to judge if it is one way or the other, if you can, and I feel like I can. I don't force it there one way or the other, if it's not there it's not, if I "FEEL" it come out NAI, it comes out NAI read for me -here, it is coming out 'scum." I think I am preettttyyy good with reading lift, and so confidence is more there than say, adalia, who I just can't read very well at all. I take my ability to read the player into account too, of course.

Another point to that is that he didn't remove the vote on me when I reacted to it. I feel like town-lift would have been "yehh" and gotten off (or would have been more likely to, that is), but scum lift hopes to hold on to something that maybe will pick up some steam (I do pick up steam pretty easily, and scum players here very often will just wait for me to "get going" before trying to paint ME all sorts of scummy for whatever beautiful spewings I've created.)

The following rant at brasas has me giving you big town-points, nacho...
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Nachomamma8: I've also done nothing more than skim because I'm tired but Brasas looks nothing like Oakwood and I don't think that I'm tender meat that he can sink his teeth into but maybe that's just me?
ohya? interesting to hear that you think he looks nothing like , hmmmmm

tender meat was trial though
Post edited November 16, 2016 by drealmer7
Posted November 16, 2016

The I'm sad Flub isn't playing he would've made his avatar a smurf or maybe everyone made their avatar a smurf and we'll see it in 3 months deadline in 37.5 hours vote count:

Drealmer (3): Trent, Wyrm, Lift
Lift (1): Drealmer
Trial (1): Brasas
JMich (1): Nacho

Not voting (4): XMich, Trial, Hunter, Darko

Maj = 6, Drealmer closest to being smurfed into the Smurfmatic Smurfmotabulator at S-3.

Deadline is Thursday 11/17 at 11:45 AM (pacific).

Let me know if your vote is not where you want it.
Post edited November 16, 2016 by bler144
Posted November 16, 2016
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Nachomamma8: Eh, I was hoping that drealmer would have a little more before he went to sleep; to all of you nice people posting while I am passed out, please give JMich opinions if you're able.
pretty much echo trent:

JMich doesn't say/do much D1, if you want a specific anything from him, ask, he'll give it if he wants

he's called inscrutable because he's hard to read - except that one time when he changed his meta

generally he's left alone D1 because it's like trying to push an elephant over with a strained wrist

he's a high N1 kill target often because of his late-game , but I rarely even see is late game! it's more of a legend at this point? no...I am just only here a bit over a year is what it is, so others definitely know better than I, I'm just echo..echo...echoo....

but yeh...especially with deadline as it is, JMich is a dead end and we should focus on where there is content

I'm currently now after fully catching up only comfortable with Lift or Brasas today

I agree, everyone just needs to vote for who they think is scummiest and we'll continue to sort from there, but everyone's gotta just vote for their top scum pick! arrr (why is it so hard to get people to do this?!)
Posted November 16, 2016
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Nachomamma8: From my understanding, you are an experienced player.
I have played many games (started on game #16 if I recall correctly). Whether that makes me experienced or not is a different question.

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Nachomamma8: I think doing as little as he has almost has to be intentional.
It is. I usually try to post in a mostly neutral manner, leaving people to wonder if I'm town or scum. The concept is that since people may be able to push for my lynch, scum will usually leave me alone during night, thus letting any role I may have work. But then you have the WIFOM approach which says it's better to kill me on night 1, in case I do have a power role, which leads to me playing the same way even without a role, so I can (hopefully) draw in the night kill. And you then have the additional option of leaving me alive, since the only chance I have of surviving N1 is if I'm scum.
All in all, a ton of reactions to analyze on following days.

Or it might be that I'm bored, who knows?
Posted November 16, 2016
GOOD MORNING SIRS!

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Hunter65536: Seems like confirmation bias to me, ...
Maybe...

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gogtrial34987: So, say you do actually vote me ... and get the majority to agree with you and end up at the mislynch showing that I'm town after all, then what's your next step? ...
Reread Nacho. But less glibly, assuming I'm alive D2 it depends hugely on the wagon, also on NK target and any other night revelations.
If you want to know more, Trent is the only other one pinging me somewhat. Wyrm has not done something crazy but that is whatevs...

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Nachomamma8: do you think it would be more believable if he called me a scum read?
So he didn't? I thought we all agreed he was satirical, and by implication he is somewhat shading / bussing you. But this is afterall the player that not only name dropped statistics but also made it a point to explicitly say he was paying attention to others' reactions to his naive oopsie. Despite the satire, as an answer to you I felt it was very subdued. Afterall, your defense of him when there was hardly an attack should have been as noticeable for him as my probing, and yet, he's hardly engaging you, whereas me... And for reals now Nacho, I was more worried about him being town PR than I was about him being scum back then... that you defended him like that when I was only probing was a mistake.

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Nachomamma8: I've already expressed that the character judgment was based on him seeming legitimately new and lost - I don't think that a legitimately new player rolefishes in that fashion to gain an advantage for the team. What about this is unreasonable and ridiculous and so distasteful for you?
CUMON with those adjectives... :) deeper please, you're barely tickling my ass...
By deeper I mean, what specifically gave you the idea of him being lost? Point at something else than just the fishing because that "Noobs Yoda grok mmmmm Never they fish as scum mmmmm" is thin thin ice.

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Nachomamma8: ... it finally made me feel like you didn't hate my guts.
We should have a 1:1 after the game, because I was surprised when you went "I expected this" and I am still wondering WTF gave you this impression. I'd rather believe it was scum Nacho trying to distract me, instead of scum Nacho upset at another D1 scum clusterf...

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Nachomamma8: Secondly, you're the one overreacting with the "character defense" stuff; ... Saying that I was a great guy but not having a read on me makes absolute sense from a lost town perspective; explain how the hell that was a fumble?
You defending him was never the problem - it was how you defended. Your unwarranted character assumptions, the emotional tone you gave off, etc...

He fumbled because that reply was tonally and logically incompatible with the character judgement you relied on to defend him of fishing for scum.

It's all circumstancial evidence - just like that cute also which was completely unecessary in his sentence. But despite my understanding what Hunter said, it is evidence, it just might or not be proof.

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Nachomamma8: As for your little bit about my "guilt", I'd imagine you know me better than that. I bussed Lift the entire game. I bussed Dessimu instantly. I stuck my neck out for RW a tiny little bit thanks to promises of glory but you better be damn sure that I'd bus the hell out of him if alive the next day. The weakness in my scumgame is giving too little mercy to partners, not too much, which I'd imagine is something you'd be well aware of when you were literally the only partner I didn't push that entire game (and yet I would have if you weren't so universally townread).
Nah Nacho, this "too little mercy" crap does not fly very far - for me at least. I was your scum buddy, I rem you saying in scum chat that you don't usually bus and would try it for a change. Which played into my consideration of your motives jumping into the ring for gogtrial. And yet here you are giving the impression it's your long loved meta.

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DarkoD13: That was just Brasas joking (I think).
Yup :)

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Nachomamma8: ... I think doing as little as he has almost has to be intentional. ...
It is intentional. Others have explained. JMich always lurks.

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drealmer7: does brasas see an easy target? While an excellent player he is still a new player who might be wanting to try his chops on some more tender meat before trying to digest some of the harder cookies to crack, ...
You always scum read me... granted I did town bus you on Vitek's game, and it looks like I will also in this game, despite again townreading you.

Because as you see, going after new players in GOG just does not fly - calling the hamster tender meat is missing the wood for the trees. Despite their scummy play and even buddy making it worse on them... At least Yogs isn't playing, or I expect I'd be the mislynch alternative to your wagon...

PS: Of course I'm the same Brasas as Oakwood - my scum game is apparently towny as fuck. With some help from Tammy I won that game for town despite being scum! Yay me... :(

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Nachomamma8: I don't think that I'm tender meat that he can sink his teeth into but maybe that's just me?
[Raises hand] Hear hear!

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drealmer7: will be looking for how the chemistry is between these two players and how it compares to last game, definitely
We don't need counseling. Thank you very much.

@Nacho Do we need counseling?

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drealmer7: generally he's left alone D1 because it's like trying to push an elephant over with a strained wrist
This is gold. :)

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JMich: Or it might be that I'm bored, who knows?
Do you at least try to read players based on the kind of character / psych stuff you see me going for though?

I got you in the Resistance game based on Hijack slipping the team selection. And his typical cockyness played into that slip big time... he wanted to not be seen as cocky by not choosing himself and didn't realize the mathematical consequences. He reacted very bad to my calling him out on that. And despite all that, most of the gang went along, suspected me instead, and by the end I was already doubting myself on Hijack | JMich.

So what I'm saying is, your perspective on my Nacho | Trial plot might be nice to have. Please?

You might even find the mind game side of this as interesting as the numbers game you know?
Spicier, clash of egos, egg on face stuff. Drama! ;)
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