Yes sir. Screen prints don't capture the mouse cursor, but this is me clicking on my own avatar. The mag lens just turns to a minus sign, and no enlargement, the way we used to get before GOG changed the avatar storage

Right click on the normal avatar, choose to open image in a new tab. Click on the avatar, then do the same with the "new" image. Paste the urls here.

https://images.gog.com/3a835da355a19405dff6ad280b9e59a556e497640a6d0eec19e9f094538cd779_forum_avatar.jpg

https://images.gog.com/87e78fdb8b6c69146d5fbfd19670e5a3f08242c47464cab6a43126717151e4f3_forum_avatar.jpg

That's all I get.

Open TamperMonkey dashboard, click on Barefoot Essentials to view its source, then go to line 2055. It should be Which basically says to remove the _forum_avatar.jpg with .jpg
If that line is correct, then either the avatar url isn't recognized correctly, or something else is going on. I'd suggest informing BFM about it.

Yep:

.attr('src', src.replace(/_forum_avatar\.jpg$/, '.jpg'))

Looks identical. Bummer.

If you need to continue script discussion please take it out of this thread, there was enough of it already.

Wish granted.

Have to break this into two, because it was two long, and the forum barfed. Help a brother with a bump, if you could:

PART 1

OK, I can’t wait anymore. Again, I fully understand the difficulty in starting something new at this time, for me. I don’t know what else to do, though, other than get back on the horse that bucked me. I just don’t know how else to play this.

I’ll start with my 2nd choice candidate:

Leonard.

He’s been utterly useless the entire game. Yes, he was gone most of Day 1, when he was out of town. We all gave him a free pass for that, but even before that, he was all excuses and inanity. If you don’t have adalia’s script, I highly recommend it. Go check him out. Before he announced he would be gone, he had four entire posts. One RVS, one useless post, one callout of Wyrm for arousing suspicion, and one one-word post.

After returning, well… go read it for yourself. It’s the biggest bunch of nothing ever. This guy is doing jack squat and just skating by. I think about what cristi has said about being a first-time Scum and how hard it is to post, and how much she felt she had to scrutinize everything… and that’s what I see with Leonard.

So he hasn’t done a single thing overtly Scummy, but he is clearly doing everything he can to not participate. I would vote him in a heartbeat. I understand some of you hate lynching lurkers as a policy… but at this point, I am completely OK with setting fire to the lurker underbrush and seeing what scurries out.

I was going to post this last night (excerpted from something longer):

"Assume for the sake of argument, there are 3 scum, who know the team names, but may or may not be able to coordinate. Assume they want to take some care not to bundle up, at least until the wagon is actually rolling. Thus I’m ignoring the final vote for now and going back to #658 as a decent gauge for how things stayed for most of the mid-game part of Day 1.

At that point Dedo is on Jmich, with wyrm and trent. So assume hypothetically wyrm/trent are town and/or independent. Likely no more than one on Wyrm (yogsloth, agentcarr, Jmich, cristigale) yet, even as the most viable wagon. That leaves one on the field:

Sage: Rwarehall, flubbucket, CSPVG
RWarehall: Krypsyn, bler
Krypsyn: Leonard
NV – Sage"

And...back to today.

There's some overlap there with what I perceive Yog's suspect list to be, as well as who I imagine Kryp is trying to point at with his sheep comment. I'll skip the rest of my wall o' text for now, but I think that's a pretty viable take. I think it's even potentially viable that there were no scum on wyrm on that point, since he'd conveniently made himself a pretty juicy target to nail any time, which would mean maybe both remaining scum are in those 6 names.

That said, I'm not coming off Trent yet since I still think he's at least viable as scum (even if less convinced than I was), and maybe more viable as independent, which for the moment I'm assuming is at least not directly pro-town.

Thanks for the bump, bler. Boy, are you going to be disappointed.


So… my top candidate who actually pings my Scumdar?

bler.

It all started with him writing the OJ Simpson “If I did it” style post:

Now, both Wyrm and Kryspyn caught the same thing I did and both thought it unimportant. First, I dislike “if I WERE Scum” posts because I think they do exactly what I felt Wyrm was doing Day… putting on a false front of scumminess in order to try and hide actual scumminess.

The real issue here, however, is the slip that Scum chat during the Day.

They do?

Bler is a new player, correct? Where would he get this impression from? Let’s start with the often-referenced wiki. From there, we see: In every single game I’ve been involved in, either as a player, assistant mod, or observer… plus previous games I’ve reviewed… Scumchat is only open at Night… except one. In the very last game, Scumchat was open during the Day… an event so unusual and strange, that the moderator actually took the time in inform the entire set of players that this would be the case beforehand. After all, Scumchat being open during the day – you would think – would have the potential to be so unbalancing that the setup that included it as a feature also demanded that all players be made aware of it at game start, as the counter-balance. Unless I’m way off base, I just don’t see that being a feature used very often… and I think it would be unfair to have Scum chat during the Day in secret… but bler seems awfully certain, here, doesn’t he?

So, you say to me, “But yog! He’s a new player, so he was just studying the last game, so that’s all he knows! That’s his only frame of reference!” Oh, OK. So why, then, does he say this:

So he doesn’t know if they chatted during the Day or not, eh? This is the game he’s been studying? Does anybody remember what happened in Day 1 of that game? Whether or not Scum chat during the day just happened to be a topic with just a liiiiiiitle bit of conversation surrounding it. Anybody who was there will remember just how contentious it was. There is absolutely no way anybody could read that game and not know. Bler is backpedaling here.

You know, we blast and grind away on each other all the time in early Days here for little turns of phrases, or 1st person vs. 3rd person, and all other kinds of little crap. But this, to me, is what an actual Scum Slip looks like.

If bler didn’t know if scum chat was open during the Day in the last game, and there’s essentially no precedent for that being the case, why is he so casually confident it’s open now? If he’s not participating in Scum chat, what basis of information could he possibly be using to be so sure it’s open during the Day? This game is already full of crazy shit: arsonist, zombie, incompetent… god knows what else. I could believe as a further over-complication Vitek might choose to have Scumchat open during the Day, but I sure wouldn’t assume it… and there is no way a brand-new player would assume it either if he didn’t know about the last game.

Still… I held off. I backed off of this, especially as I was waiting to see if Wyrm flipped Scum. If he did, I would probably have fished this out first thing in Day 2 if a wagon on JMich didn’t roll. It’s been grating on my nerves, however.

And then, of course, today we get this:

… because that’s why I suggested this exercise in the first place. I thought it very humorous and strange that my PM wasn’t so bland and one-sided. It occurred to me that if there is a big city mentioned in other PMs, Scum might assume it was all-or-nothing. They might assume a Townie PM is all “I love the Town, I hate the City and everything else”. Anybody who shared info on their PM that was that cut-and-dry was going to get an eyebrow raise from me. Not enough to be a complete Scum tell, of course, but one more piece of data. It’s what I was fishing for from the get-go. Not for roles! For flavor just like this. It’s also why when I see this:

CSPVG was the first guy to respond, and even gave more info than I did. If he were Scum, don’t you think he would do what bler suggests, and change his info to “yay town!” across the board? But he didn’t. His character is delightfully complex, just like mine! And he jumped in and shared this without anyone else to compare against, other than me, and I was less forthcoming that he was! (In fact, I intentionally softened something important.) For reference, this was me:

If CSPVG is Scum, it’s an almost unthinkable risk to share this much information up front and potentially be dead wrong. But bler, on the other hand, cruises right by and tells us that his PM is so rosily pro-town it could be a nursery rhyme… exactly as I think Scum would assume they needed to do.

So. There you have it.

Am I infallible? Am I telling you all I’ve cracked the code? No, look, obviously not. I am totally… TOTALLY… aware of how tough this is and how bad I look after Day 1. I am not 100% certain of anything. Maybe these are all just coincidences and I’m totally off. The only vote bler has on him is from RWarehall, for the crime of a compliment… but yes, that’s kind of off, too. I’m just stuck – I flat-out don’t know what I can be doing differently right now, because hanging back in the shadows letting other people do the work is just something I can’t do. I don’t know how to not push, push, push. I mean… (WARNING – LAMIST statement incoming, if you are easily offended, please turn away) Krypsyn talks about “managing your meta” and I get a little panicky inside, because this doesn’t even occur to me, and I know the time is going to come when I get to be on the other team and I’m not going to have a damn clue how to do it because all I do is barrel around running into shit all day and hoping I break the right stuff. For now, I can only do what I know how to do and play my style, because it’s all I’ve got. If I’m wrong and full of crappy conspiracies – so be it. If you think it’s Scummy of me, so be it. I just can’t stand by the punchbowl… I gotta dance, baby! (/LAMIST)

I’m not even dropping a vote yet. Barring any other unforeseen developments, though, this is where I’m going.

I would very much like to know why Leonard is refusing to be helpful. I would very much like to know where bler got his ideas on what Scum are doing at night and what his PM is like.

Then we’ll see.

God help us all.

Unvote: Fly on the Wall
FoS: Fly on the Wall
Vote: Leonard03

Oh, you posted this far faster than I expected. Well.. I have a couple responses.

Right before you started, I was a Wolf with mrkgnao in the Werewolf game. We were allowed to PM each other Day and Night. There are have been some other games on here that worked the same way, as I recall (I haven't read allthe older games, I confess) So, while you are right that it is uncommon, it isn't unheard of.

That was indeed what I thought you saw in bler144's post, but it didn't seem that incriminating to me. I don't think he made a scum slip, but rather was just making a generalized comment.

No. But, then, WIFOM is a bitch.

It was largely a tongue-in-cheek comment. Meta is what happens when you aren't looking. Trying to 'manage' it is a lot like herding cats. In fact, often the more you try to change your meta, the more people notice what you don't change.

I'm not disappointed. You've put something serious on the table. Huzzah.

On the scum chat issue, I read the entirety of the scum chat in the last game, as well as most or all of the dead thread. I did not, however read all umpteen posts in the game itself. Was not aware there was a mod disclosure that it was unusual. Basing a deduction on n=1, I assumed daychat was the norm. As they say, I knew just enough to be dangerous, apparently.

My response to you, that you questioned, was because I wasn't looking at thread at the time and questioning if my recall was correct. I wondered if my memory was fooling me, and maybe they hadn't been chatting during the dat. I looked later, and it was - they were clearly chatting during the day. Still didn't realize it was that unusual.

The post preceding yours indicates I've backed off assuming they have day chat after JMich clarified it was atypical. So at this point I have no idea if they have day chat in this game, and as the post just before yours notes, I will henceforth make theories in this game and future games around the assumption that it is unlikely unless specified in the game setup. So noted.

Vitek has noted this game is unusual, but do you think, if daychat is really that rare, he would have included it without disclosing? Maybe he would. I have no idea.

On the CSP issue, I already noted I wasn't inclined to pay attention to what anyone said about their PM or not. I had no idea what CSP said until you re-read it in your post, I still really don't care. I don't think it's meaningful personally. One might just as easily conclude that, if he was the first to post, that it was a carefully worded breadcrumb to draw others out with something more tangible.

While I'm not going to rage about it the way Trent did, for me it's not particularly useful data. But clearly it's important to you. So it goes. ;)

Okay, I’ll bite. In against sharing info that could reveal roles, but I don’t see how this could. Something stood out to me when you shared and others since then. My PM mentions nothing about other towns, no comparison to life anywhere else. My chat is still not working.

I admit that this gives me some hesitation about trent as scum. If trent is an arsonist or if there is more than one scum faction, that would be less exculpatory (BTW, nice word, I learned something today). Scum might also do it because it wouldn’t be expected.

Curious about this. I have almost nothing on CSPVG.

I’m agreeing with CSPVG on this one, I expected something more by now.

My own take on the arsonist. My assumption is an arsonist is a single third party. Our town is called Grand Oak Gallows. The Grand Oak(s) might be in danger from the arsonist. Just a thought. I agree town may also have a fireman.

I didn’t watch the entirety of most of Krypsyn’s videos. I did open most of them. Krypsyn was right about dedo. I was not suspicious of dedo, he had me fooled. I took yet another look at RWarehall. While he could be scum, I still don’t see what Krypsyn must see. There were a couple of posts that I thought he could be scum trying to appear town, that’s about it.

(Prepost edit – I see yogs has now posted his suspicions on Leonard, makes a lot of sense. I haven’t sifted through his analysis on blur yet, I keep getting sidetracked to other matters and want to get this posted)

I've been hesitant to point that out, but if arsonist is independent, yes, it's more likely than not town has a fireman. Still, if we assume the arsonist was savvy enough to nail dedo deliberately off breadcrumbs (rather than just, say, getting reeeeally lucky) they probably worked through the pretty simple deductive reasoning to assume town would have one if scum did.

So me talking about it/not, probably doesn't do any harm or good. Still, I don't think it's something we want to unpack any further for now. One of those things we'll just have to hope is true and move along.