I don't mind if you vote for me, since I don't think I particularly help the town all that much. However I think people keep misconstruing my position, somewhat willfully even.

Have I ever said, "Hey, come on everybody, let's no lynch!"? No, I've just explained some of the reasons why I would personally do it, and then subsequently defended myself against the barrage of fairly weak arguments presented that it's a "terrible" play for town to no-lynch day 1. I'm not even necessarily arguing that it's an "optimal" strategy, just that with an n=even start it doesn't seem inherently worse than an RVS once you play through the chain to the game's end. How it makes people "feel" on Day 2 imo is irrelevant.

Which the paper seems to kind-of-sort-of maybe support, and at the very least doesn't disprove.

For the 40th time, I'm under no illusion that other people are going to come on board with a no lynch if I ultimately go that way. Never have been. For functional purposes I'm not sure why voting no lynch ultimately plays any differently than a number of other strats if I were trying to sink the town. I could, for example, pretend to start a wagon against Christi knowing full well that it's going nowhere, or glom on to yog, since he's got a bit of FoS on him, but unlikely to actually get strung up. Same outcome with apparently less heat.

I'm not sure if people are trying to troll me into continuing to bite on a stupid argument for entertainment or the hope that maybe the fact that I keep biting makes them think eventually I'll slip - which assumes I have anything to even slip on. But given the number of people enraged, it seems the very notion that I (and I alone) might vote no lynch just offends their sensibilities so much they can't think rationally about it.

Whatever. Be my guest. I nominate myself.

I will honestly say as soon as JMich voted for Bookwyrm and gave his reasoning to do so a red flag popped up for me. My thought was this, JMich knows Bookwyrm will flip town and has laid the foundation to get Yogs lynched because of it. If Bookwyrm is lynched and flips town I would be almost certain JMich is scum just from his vote post alone.

Can you really blame them?

This might sound a little self-serving, and it is a little self-serving, but might I request that you take that second look BEFORE somebody dies? ;)

Also, did you mean to say Vitek is pushing too aggressively?

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Check the bolded portion (my doing). You're great for town if you're town. You don't have quite the same impact if you are scum.

He doesn't consider you helpful during Day 1, and he would rather lynch you than No Lynch.

There is also the question of whether you are scum sliding under the radar, rather than town waiting for better information.

If it helps, I tend to smile at your humor.

Well, yes, but that's because I'm not the sort of person who would join fight club. I also - and this may really get me lynched - think that movie is a tad overrated.

I mean, it's pretty good, but I don't really get the drooling adulation or the need for a sequel 20 years later. I guess I just prefer Amelie. Why can't we get a sequel of that?

Fight Club is way overrated.

Trying to catch up and place a vote...coming soon.

This raised a red flag for me as well.

It isn't my favorite either. However, if there were rules about GOG Mafia, I think the first two rules would be "Don't talk about No Lynch".

As for movie sequels... eh... I honestly can't think of a movie that didn't get a sequel that I think needs one. I can think of many that got sequels I feel didn't deserve one, of course. There must be a movie that qualifies for me, but most of my favorite movies just don't need one. I am talking about movies like "Grosse Point Blank" or "Heathers"; what could possibly be gained by a sequel to either?

(Look at all the emphasis I am giving!)

You can read the vote count as well as I, I have a vote on record.

Now I do realize lynching a New Player on Day One is far from cricket. However I'm getting a vibe (from agentcarr) I can't shake.

Yeah, as a metaphor I did see your point. I grossly violated some unvoiced custom, clearly, with the qualification that it only applies to Day 1. I could see Heathers recast in a retirement community. I mean, it would probably suck, but I could see it getting made.

Heh.. okay... for a more recent example of a movie I really liked but I don't think needs a sequel: Filth

Lots of work leaves me with the only opportunity to read thoroughly and participate during evenings. Even though there isn't too much going on a ton of content has to be perused each time and more often than not a bunch of people have already made points and pointed out things of interest, so re-stating them just to leave my sign isn't as useful. This time around an interesting event took place not so long and I do have something to say.


There was something about JMich that didn't sit well with me at one point but I left it aside, since it may have been nothing. This is the second thing that doesn't feel good. I don't like this vote at all. Unlike others I'm not keen on lynching Wyrm because of his approach. I already said that I'm more inclined to believe he is in fact Town but his play isn't working as expected or in the best way possible for him. But I believe it did help get things moving at least a bit. But I digress.

Voting for someone because one suspects them or sees them as the most likely being scum is OK. Not voting for them even though others preach about it because one isn't convinced in their guilt is also fine. But voting for someone just to go with a person you actually suspect is scum only to be able to rub it in their nose afterwards as a rock-solid reason on why you are suddenly pushing for them is not OK. At least in my book.

I may oversimplify things here but what I see is the most likely lynchee being pushed further just for a point to be proven. A point that supposedly will paint the most outspoken anti-Wyrm player right now as scum.

I do believe Wyrm will flip Town if lynched. This almost automatically gives JMich leverage over Yog, because he warned that this will result in all-out scrutinizing. JMich is a strong player and it won't be surprising if that scrutiny ends up with Yog's lynch. And that lynch will be backed by this setup. That's all fine and dandy, but JMich, let me ask you something I asked Trent when he was pressuring the very same person.

Let's say Wyrm flips Town. You go after Yog and this results in a lynch. What will happen if Yog also flips Town? Maybe go after Trent, who also shared the same feeling as Yog? Your current reason is pretty much valid in both cases.

Both Yog and you covered the fact that you're a good player. I'm a bit sorry I wasn't there to see your scum game in the previous iteration, that would have been useful experience. A good Town player is a valuable asset, but a great Mafia player is a scarier possibility. Especially in the endgame.

I now have a person that makes me uncomfortable enough to actually place a vote on.

vote JMich

Yes. Vitek. The mod.

Already covered. Closed setup, there may be investigative roles that can clear or condemn me. But why wait for any possible investigation...

I also consider a cop useless on Day 1 (unless there was a Night 0 he could act), but I wouldn't consider lynching him. Future benefits far outweigh the temporary uselessness.

Sorry, guys, but I'm knackered tonight. It was my sister's birthday today, and I'm all partied out (eating cake and playing Bloodborne was as raucous as it got).

For now, however:

@Sage: Give me a reason not to vote for you.

Dear mod, could we have another vote count?