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yogsloth: I hear ya buddy, but here’s the problem. Your “doing something” consisted of tying the noose around your own neck, standing on the stool, and daring somebody to give a push.
Fair enough. I suppose there isn't much I can say to turn things around at this point, if you don't accept my explanation and you don't care about my other attempts to contribute so far.

I figure we'll get flips, but be warned that I'm going to have a hearty laugh in the dead thread if I get lynched and no flip is a thing this game.

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Bookwyrm627: Oh my. Oh well. Yogsloth may have set himself up to get killed and given JMich easy cover to play Follow-The-Leader.
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yogsloth: Sure doesn’t make me feel better. I’m not even sure what it’s supposed to mean.
To not die, I need enough players willing to look at something besides me and not just go along with the super easy obvious choice (that would be me). Krypsyn has stated he isn't willing to lynch me right now, and Flub might be leaning that way. Agent, on the other hand, seems willing to go with the flow. I'd been hoping JMich wouldn't throw in on me, but it seems he is happy to follow your lead in voting for me.

As for what it means: you probably noticed JMich saying he plans to hound you if I flip town. I'm going to flip town (if I flip at all), so he is going to be hounding you (or so he says). You've already observed how he seemed to have agreed to follow your vote on me.

[Part 2 coming]
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Admin note: Nope, looks like I screwed up when copy/pasting the quote tags. Putting an "open quote" tag instead of a "close quote" tag blew up my post.

[Part 2, thanks yog!]

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yogsloth: I’ll always appreciate your involvement and play style. I just can’t escape the conclusion that you overplayed your hand on this one.
Nah, I'm playing for town this game. Next game I plan to play quietly during Day 1, and we'll see who hounds me for playing differently than previous games.

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yogsloth: Of course, there’s still no guarantee you get lynched. You thought I was toast in the last game and I survived; maybe you will too.
That's true, you did survive. I think part of that is because I opened my mouth and looked terrible in pointing out what was likely to be coming. It isn't looking good for me this game, we'll see what happens. Maybe something will come up when the deadline is placed and people get serious about voting.

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yogsloth: And btw, I’m not ignoring the lurkers. I have a number of vibes from different players that make me a sad panda, but that’s tomorrow’s fight, isn't it?
Well sure, that's tomorrow's fight if everyone chooses to wait until tomorrow to deal with it. :P

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JMich: So, not my top pick, and not one I'd like to pick so fast, but someone thinks his gut is all knowing. If it is, all is well, if it's not, gut trust should take a blow towards proper reason.
Who is your top pick then? Am I in your top 3-5, and if so, where?
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Bookwyrm627: Nah, I'm playing for town this game. Next game I plan to play quietly during Day 1, and we'll see who hounds me for playing differently than previous games.
I don't like this. Why are you already planning the next game? Shouldn't all the focus be on this game. You know, the one that is happening now...
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Sage103082: Why are you already planning the next game? Shouldn't all the focus be on this game. You know, the one that is happening now...
Nah... You always have to plan for your meta. Sometimes it is amusing to have a multi-game plan set up in advance for switching things up, just to keep people guessing. Sometimes it is also fun to imply that one has a multi-game plan just to make people upset, or possibly even paranoid. Managing one's meta is the "game outside the game" so to speak, and is often more rewarding than what is going on in the current game at any given time.
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Krypsyn: Nah... You always have to plan for your meta. Sometimes it is amusing to have a multi-game plan set up in advance for switching things up, just to keep people guessing. Sometimes it is also fun to imply that one has a multi-game plan just to make people upset, or possibly even paranoid. Managing one's meta is the "game outside the game" so to speak, and is often more rewarding than what is going on in the current game at any given time.
Oh geez. If I tried to "plan my meta" I think it would be like watching a TV tuned to static.
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Sage103082: I don't like this. Why are you already planning the next game? Shouldn't all the focus be on this game. You know, the one that is happening now...
Why wouldn't I be considering how to play next game? The data currently available in this game isn't particularly taxing right now. My focus would be more on this game if there was something for me to do. I think events are mostly out of my control by this point, so I'm waiting to see if enough other players decide to push me off the cliff I've been dancing near or if some kind of lifeline will turn up.

Besides, if I make some of those next game decisions now, then my alignment next game will affect my play less. Take this game for example: during the last game, I decided to liven up THIS game's Day 1 instead of waiting for someone else to make the first move.

Krypsyn has also explained it.
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Bookwyrm627: Who is your top pick then? Am I in your top 3-5, and if so, where?
Top 3 I'd say includes you (quotes already given, play style seems different), yog (Strong endgame player. Let's lynch him), bler (pushing a bit too much for no lynch, unsure if newbieness or not). None of you has done anything I would accept as truly condemning, but Vitek is pushing a bit too aggressively for votes (at least too aggressively for me).

I do need to take a second look at the thread, because I think there were reasons to look at a couple more people, but I didn't take any notes while reading it the first time. Will have to correct that at some point.
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JMich: yog ([JMich is] Strong endgame player. Let's lynch him),
Do you:

a) Actually think that's what I said
b) Think that is actually a legit Scum tell

Because that's pretty weak, on both counts.

"Hey guys, Player X is a great amazing 100% exclusively pro-Town player who will be awesomely helpful to Town 100% guaranteed, let's totally lynch him!!! Because I'm totally not Scum saying that!!!!"

Hm. Makes sense to me, Bob.
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yogsloth: Hm. Makes sense to me, Bob.
Heck! I'm sold!

Unvote: RWarehall
Vote: JMich
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Bookwyrm627: ..........<snip>.............
Nah, I'm playing for town this game. Next game I plan to play quietly during Day 1, and we'll see who hounds me for playing differently than previous games.

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Clear scum tell..................I should pre-vote you for next game!!
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yogsloth: a) Actually think that's what I said
Let me quote you (again)
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yogsloth: The killer thing about it is, that if you can survive to late game, you’re a rock star. I’ve seen it. Your logic does come into play and cut through the emotional crap. But early-to-mid game, it’s just too easy for you to skate by, and if you ARE scum, you just get a free pass day after day, and that bites my cheese about every lurker-type player.
This is you saying that I am a strong endgame player, is it not? Have I somehow misread this paragraph? I am frustrating during the first few days, and I may get a pass for said days, but you do acknowledge that I am helpful during the endgame.
Let's see the next paragraph to that, shall we?

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yogsloth: I’m completely aware that sometimes I jump in the pool without checking to see if it’s full of water first. But at this point, yes, I would vote for you as a 2nd-choice candidate more due to your playstyle (or lack thereof) than outright scumminess. Because it’s Day 1, and there is no certainty, and if I have to pick between no-lynch and getting rid of a player that isn’t very helpful regardless of potential alignment, it’s an easy call.
So, I am not very helpful, regardless of my alignment, even though I am helpful during the endgame. Hm...
And isn't that you saying that you are willing to lynch me today?

So, combining those two, aren't you saying that even though you consider me an asset to town for the endgame, you are willing to lynch me? Do point out the fallacy, if any exists.

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yogsloth: b) Think that is actually a legit Scum tell
No. Thus why I'm not voting for you. I consider it a massive flag, since either you are scum trying to eliminate town assets, or you are town willing to eliminate town assets. At this point, the only way to know if I'm scum is if you are scum yourself, yet you are willing to lynch me.

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yogsloth: Hm. Makes sense to me, Bob.
I do believe that. Half of the things that make sense to you have me shaking my head, and half the things that make sense to me have you screaming bloody murder. Hell, my attempt at humor (I can do humor, even if you think I'm incapable of it) had you jumping to conclusions.
But, seriously...

Unvote: Jmich
Vote: RWarehall

Hmm.. time to kill time waiting for the time...

Seems apt.

oh.. Flubbucket posted! yay! :)
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Krypsyn: But, seriously...

Unvote: Jmich
Vote: RWarehall

Hmm.. time to kill time waiting for the time...

Seems apt.

oh.. Flubbucket posted! yay! :)
You realize you're in the minority of those happy when I post....



I do not like the JMich voting Bookwyrm in order to make yogsloth look bad.

Isn't that "lynching for information" instead of lynching scum??
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flubbucket: Clear scum tell..................I should pre-vote you for next game!!
One should always plan votes several game in advance. But, don't stop there! Also plan the arguments to go along with them ... verbatim! Not only is it a wonderful time saver for future you, but it keeps people guessing! Also, fun, is to imply that you are planning your votes several games in advance, because it can make people upset, or even paranoid. Managing future votes can often be more rewarding that any voting you are currently making in ongoing games at any given time.

This totally applies.

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flubbucket: You realize you're in the minority of those happy when I post....
Philistines.