My understanding of rule #9 was that we were not allowed to chat about the game via PM:

"9. Do not discuss the game with anyone outside the thread, except for people specified in your role PM, and then only at such times as the PM specifies. "

That said, English is ambiguous and his phrasing could mean "don't chat with anyone not in the game" but I think that unlikely, since why would he care if I told my mom about it? It's not like this is the jury on a high profile murder case. So my sense is that we're not supposed to be PMing with other players unless specifically told otherwise.

But perhaps I'm wrong. After feeling certain an hour ago, and then taking a break, I'm back to 3 I'm leaning towards for Day 1. I probably should not list them since everyone else is being so guarded.

But what the hell. I'm not bloodthirsty, but reckless? Sure. It's a game. If there were a $1million cash prize at stake, I'd probably weigh my moves more carefully. So here goes -

-RWarehall
-flub
-Wyrm

Of the three I think Wyrm is most likely to be innocent, unless he was pulling the old quadruple bluff but he's also probably the only one that's likely to actually see a noose. So it would be more a vote of pragmatism than conviction. But really I don't think the vote comes down to who is most likely, as much as 'who is in play as more likely than average'? And I would put him at least in the 'more likely than average' group.

Flub, I find the most perplexing, though I admit I'd feel bad about calling out possibly the only person in the game with worse RL issues than mine (or at least the only one who's shared). That said, the worst thing I can point to is that I don't see where his agentcarr vote really stems from, and that if he were town, how on top of saving it would he be?

RWarehall gives me the strongest willies of guilt. Even his post here about PMs, while it could be an innocent slip of overlooking the rule, could also be a tired admission that he's been PMing with others in accordance with his role on the mafia team, and forgot the rest of us can't (or at least aren't supposed to).

But of course, voting for RW is a) likely a wasted vote since he's not sniffing 8 today, and b) is likely to make people assume I'm in Kryp's camp and just careless about disguising it.

Fast run in to say I'm sorry. Barefoot is playing tricks on me lately, almost always saying that there was a problem with sending my posts. I specifically refreshed the page before posting it again and it wasn't there so I used the normal post window. It seems that the Barefoot script managed to go through shortly after when I was no longer on the pc. Sorry about that, I'll pay extra attention next time.

That's what had happened. I was on wifey's laptop so I didn't have the GreaseMonkey to help me. I had attempted the copy/paste over and over with no success. It had actually been longer than an hour by the time I saw the issue; and extra bracketed Quote in the middle of things. It was about two hours past bedtime and I was watching TV and retrying.

Still hate this forum software.

I'm more prone to cutting the cheese.

Habe a beautiful tine.

Also you could think of an answer to my question from post #444.

I can relate.

Let me try to 'splain.

As I stated in my post #384, agentcarr16's post #262 makes some interesting points. Feel free to read them.

His claim of inexperience doesn't seem plausible given how deftly he is able to take both sides of issues without actually committing to anything. It is how scum makes statements which they won't have to answer for later.

He has touted his inexperience in other posts and has avoided answering my question while also pointing out my drunken uselessness. This is low hanging fruit for sure. I defy anyone to be more useless than a flubbucket.

Different people enjoy games in different ways. I prefer a fully fledged plan with little to no uncertainty than a game that the outcome depends on the whims of a die. Yet I do play both kinds.

When there is an argument to be made.

I prefer to dig one hole when needed, not one hole for each one.

Let's agree to disagree then. There seems to still be enough time for a lynch.

Let me see if I understand these two paragraphs correctly. You assume I will be useful to town in the endgame. Yet you are willing to lynch me at the start, thus preventing me from reaching said endgame. This is a closed setup, so it is quite possible that there are investigative roles that can clear me, yet you don't want to let that happen...

I am not going to vote you today. I will follow your instinct and go after Wyrm. If your gut is correct, I will only be wondering if you were bussing your scum mate. If Wyrm does flip town though, I will be scrutinizing your every move, since the above two quoted paragraphs are a bigger flag than anything else posted so far in this thread. And with Vitek threatening with deadline, I'd rather have a lynch than no lynch.


So, vote Bookwyrm627

-Mmm, power.
-Aww, now I have the impression I wasted my time and yours. Oh well, I tried.
-If everyone sits and waits for everyone else, who will go first?

This is my guess as well. However, my last interpretation of one of his rules left something to be desired, so I might be wrong.

-Rule 9 means that you should only discuss the mafia game inside this thread. You can chat on the forums or PM whoever, just don't talk about the game currently in progress elsewhere on the forums and don't PM other people about it. Don't go to other forums to discuss it either, etc. Basically: don't cheat by playing the game outside the game thread.

-If you aren't sure who is scum and you aren't sure how to narrow your list further, then you might consider an alternate question: "Who would I want to have in the game tomorrow, and which player would I least want to see more of tomorrow?"

-You might surprised occasionally at who will end up joining a wagon. Krypsyn is already on RW, and I could be persuaded to move over as well (especially when crunch time kicks up).

Oh my. Oh well. Yogsloth may have set himself up to get killed and given JMich easy cover to play Follow-The-Leader.

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Looks like if anyone has questions for me, they should probably start asking.

And Yogsloth, I'm disappointed in you. You complain about people not doing anything, then try to kill one of the people doing anything.

So you're not convinced RWarehall is scummy now, correct?? At least not enough to Vote for him.

But you'd be willing to join a last minute lynch if needed??

I don't know who is scum yet. RWarehall is one of the ones that I'm more concerned about. I can only vote for one person at a time, and Trent is higher on my list, so I'm currently voting for Trent.

If no one else is willing to vote for Trent, then RWarehall is another player I'm willing to vote for. By contrast, I'm currently unwilling to vote for yogsloth if there are other options (besides me).

@Wyrm - I would also like to know the reason you think this? And even more now that RW is talking about PMs and chat

The of one of the rules. Turns out [url=http://www.gog.com/forum/general/mafia_28_everyday_life_in_grand_oak_gallows/post301]I was wrong, however, and cristigale had the correct interpretation.

Do you find Wyrm scummy or are you only voting him because he has the most votes so far? If you do find him scummy what was it that made you think he is was scum?

I do find something off with his posts, and he finds his own behavior scummy as well.
Exhibit a:
Exhibit b:
So, not my top pick, and not one I'd like to pick so fast, but someone thinks his gut is all knowing. If it is, all is well, if it's not, gut trust should take a blow towards proper reason.


Sigh... If A then B does not imply if B then A.
I am following your gut. You say your gut has been proven right twice, and I think it's a fluke. You don't test a hypothesis by trying to confirm it, you test it by trying to disprove it. If Wyrm is town, then your gut can be safely ignored. So I will be scrutinizing you to see if you are pushing for lynches (both mine and Wyrm's) due to scum agenda, or if you are just that bloodthirsty.
If Wyrm flips scum, then your gut may be correct. That will not make you a confirmed town, since the possibility that you are bussing a scum mate is still there.

So no, I don't think you are confirmed scum. I think you may be scum, and depending on what Wyrm flips, the possibility may be higher or lower.

Then again, a joke was seen as me vying for no lynch, even though I have said before that if I wish for no lynch, I will vote so.

Yes. See above for what the most efficient method of testing a hypothesis is.

I did think that was interesting, but not inherently contradictory. Like me he could be someone who has played IRL (and perhaps more recently and extensively than I), which could explain why he seems to have fallen into step with others' play styles better than I have. His personality may also be less manic than mine.

Likewise, my own reasoning is such that I often see both sides of an issue. And that's going to be particularly true in Day 1 of a game where the number of actual facts is miniscule compared to the task at hand. So that approach doesn't inherently alarm me. Others have avoided committing to specific positions on any number of points, it's mostly just that each of us uses slightly different mechanisms for evasion.

I tend to take them head on. But that's less a strategic decision than an inability to shut up it would seem.

That said, your posts this morning I find persuasive enough to move you off the block. So barring some surprise, I think I'm down to just RW or BW.

So, you're tying your vote to mine, in order to test my hypothesis that my gut is all-knowing?

Sounds good to me! Whoop whoop whoop WOOO WOO WOOO HOOO!!!!