This is a Vitek game. The vote may be attached to a random person. Who knows what that crazy mod will do.

And no, if I'm voting for no lynch, then I vote no lynch. This was vote somebody. Totally different things.

How many "scum" posts do you rate me at? Gotta keep these things even, or my master plan might not work.

Call me yogsloth, but I don't see what you are driving at.

I'm pretty sure this is not the case. Claiming RL is going to take you away for an extended period, when you just want to hide, seems to me to be a dick move of really high caliber. My impression of Leonard is that if he were available, he'd go ahead and play as best he could.

I'm sorry. I totally misquoted there. I knew it was yogsloth, but must have entered the wrong quote number. Sorry!

Sorry, and I see bler and some other people commented on this, but I really can't let it slip by :)
If the roles were chosen randomly, as Vitek claims, then probability tells us nothing about Krypsyn's alignment.

I consider myself a lurker, because I post once a day, if that. I'd prefer not to be lynched :)

I've stated several times that I don't agree with Bookwyrm's little 'scheme' he pulled earlier in the game. However, I agree with what he says here.
Is there a problem with that?

I'm not sure yet.

This is the first game of Forum Mafia that I have ever played. What else does 'inexperience' mean?

Actually, it has. Vitek now says, Wow, my brain starts kicking me when I see something like that exclamatory ending, randomly interspersed with 1s. ;)

Haha, yes. I'll admit that I do tend to do that, but that's just the way I play.

What!!! Are you suggesting that I'm not playing the game!?! I'm outraged, shocked, humbled, shocked again, and finally convinced that maybe I should put a vote on somebody, probably before I leave for the cottage tonight.

Now that's just crazy talk!

Yeah, I looked it up. I am not partial to horror, in general, unless it is off-the-wall silly. However, if there are cute little girls a-murderin'...

You would enjoy this movie: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0266308/?mode=desktop&ref_=m_ft_dsk

I watched it a few years back, right after Hunger Games came out and people started talking about how "the Japanese did it better". Awesome movie.

Fair enough. Paranoid suggestion withdrawn. I think the only player in this game I've interacted with significantly before was trent, and that was mostly around GA stuff and puzzles.

The bigger flaw in the theory anyway wasn't around who is/isn't a dick and/or other bodily part, but the likelihood that Vitek would allow it. I wouldn't assume anyone would try that sort of move without actually clearing it with the mod, though maybe I'm naive on that. But if someone were scumming and pretending to be away for a full week and a lynch vote came up, they'd either have to at least fess up to the mod or else bypass their own night action. So it would only make sense to try as a strat if the mod were already on board with it I'd assume.

So yes, probably best to cross it off as nonsense and move on.

The good news is that I do have some notes for everyone. The bad news is that I have not yet caught up with the game thread. Therefore, I'll post my current notes and then go back to delving through the game thread, making even more notes.

Post #281 - bler144- Nice little,"Ayyy, I'm totally town, guys," type comment there, bler.

Post #282 - Bookwyrm627- Firstly, I'd like to see more posts of this nature from you, Bookwyrm. You're a very good player when you're not trying to bait everyone. You bring up good points and make convincing arguments for them, or at least I feel that you do so.

However, you must admit that a phrase like (and I'm paraphrasing here),"I hope Vitek leaves a townie and me alive, so that I can win," was always going to be contentious at best or material for a case in favour of offing you at worst (then again, you wanted to rile people, so all I can really do is shrug and move on).

Post 285 - Bookwyrm627- In your list of reasonable certainties, your final point is,"Apparently some mistakes were made when sending out PMs." Have I missed something? What would lead you to believe this, let alone call it a reasonable certainty?

As for the list of possibilities, well, I think it's best not to spectulate, honestly. At least not on the first day when we have nothing much that would lead us to believe any of these things.

Post 294 - Vitek- I have nothing to add here other than praise for out grand moderator, Vitek. Seriously, the number of hours he's played Ziggurat in the past two or so weeks is frightening.

Post 300 - Bookwyrm627- I agree with cristigale here, but I honestly have to concede that I could see how you would come to the conclusion that you did.

Post 301 - Vitek- Vitek clears that whole 'discussion' up for us, then. Then again, maybe he's just being Vitek.

Post 303 - Bookwyrm627- I'm not saying that this WIFOM 'circle' never occurs naturally, but I can't really think of any examples from previous games. Would you care to point me in the direction of such an example?

I'm a bit baffled about the fact that you consider your 'slip' play as a good way to collect data on anyone. I think the inverse may actually be true here: Your insistence on baiting players, coupled with a (to my mind at least) half-open admission to this fact, makes collecting data all the more difficult, and has actually obscured, not helped, some of my reads. Then again, you were mostly doing this for your own benefit, so perhaps confusing a fair few other players was something that you were looking to do.

Post 304 - yogsloth- This last little bit (concerining Bookwyrm's play) is, I think, a much better way of stating my above argument. So, basically, I agree, and am considering giving yogsloth a town golden star for his comments.

Post 308 - Bookwyrm- I do, however, agree with Bookwyrm on his first point here. I think that in future, it may be a better idea to set parameters on just how much info we should share from our PMs, and what we deem to be useful or useless info from our PMs. So, in other words, state openly what we are looking for and have a system whereby everyone is made to share something specific from the PM's flavour (e.g whether they have ever left town or not). Then again, this seems like: a) a lot of work; b) like it would reveal too much info.

So, I'm really at a loss when it comes to PM and flavour talk, and can only concluded by saying,"Discuss it later in the game."

Also, while I can sort of understand your frustration over a lot of people telling you off for your baiting, Bookwyrm, I also feel like you could have anticipated this response, and that this was another reason not to go through with your plan. You knew everyone would most likely just say that this was not a good idea.

Furthermore, while I did not find either your antics or the other players' reactions to them all that illumination, I must admit that the discussion that we've had about whether or not you should have embarked on this course of action and why you did so has been rather interesting.

Post 310 - yogsloth- On your last point, concerning the confirmation of PMs received, I think you're maing too much of this.

Confirmation that a certain number of players have received their PMs before the mod starts the game is usual practice on a few sites (that I've seen) dedicated to playing Forum Mafia. On GOG, for whatever reason, we don't seem to do this, but in truth I don't feel that it's that bizarre a thing for Vitek to do.

That concludes my notes for now. I do apologise for their length and general incoherence.

-Thanks. :)

-Yes, my sentence was worded to be contentious and allow for multiple meanings.

-Two cases where I thought I was simply being logical, but people found it scummy:
STALKER voting observation.

Game Show observation + vote.

Maybe they aren't true WIFOM circles, but I don't care to delve back through 3k-4k posts to look for better examples.

-Was it only half-open? Whoops.
I'm hoping that the reactions gathered will be more interesting/useful later in the game. We'll see if that happens. My apologies if you've gotten clouded (as long as you're a townie), but it did get people to talk.

-In relation to something yog said: If I flip town, I don't think Trent will be labeled as scum for starting my wagon. However, if Trent is scum, then starting my wagon might later be the tipping point for outing him.

-Right now, the only one I'm really concerned about is Trent, and that is because he doesn't seem to be looking at anyone except me. I expected to get heat for my actions; we'll see if I was prepared enough for it.

Story of my life. ;)

Try being logical, but with a thin veneer of comedy. It throws people off, and they don't get so threatened.

So because I think you're scum and have placed my vote on you and not someone else you're concerned about me. Noted. I guess you should hope someone else appears scummier than you so I can focus my attention on them and you will no longer be concerned. I suggest Prilosec if the concern is causing ulcers. Meditation can also help.

Also, what does it matter what people found scummy about your posts in previous games? We are playing THIS game not any previous ones. I have not based my vote on any previous games you have played in. Trying to point out previous games where you're posts were taken as scummy when you were town to make any post you've made now that seems scummy to mean you are town is a weak argument.

Oh, I was busy playing the next game...

Added to my Netflix queue.

Besides Kurosawa, I haven't seen many Japanese films, but here's a nice one: Departures (If you're looking for an action film, skip it)

You're still playing the last game, and I'm trying very hard not to.

So, you won't vote no-lynch. You won't vote for a lurker. You won't post, won't contribute, won't be pro-active, won't help, won't do anything except vote "present" every once in a while and nitpick me.

Trent accuses me of being a poor player who needs information spoon fed to me. This wounds me, because I think I'm about as pro-active as a player can be. It's you that fits this bill, still hiding behind this wall of expected irresponsibility. You've done diddly squat all game, except pick at me, because you're stuck in the last game.

So what's your excuse as to why nobody should ask you to participate this time? No night actions? Should we just write you off completely until Day 3 or 4 when there will be enough night actions spoon fed to you that you will deign to participate?

Or is it something else? Some other reason why nobody should dare to ask you to actually contribute anything of value?

Of course, you won't give any kind of actual reply. Go ahead and put you snarky retort on record, though, just so everyone can see your brilliant wit.