You work for FIFA don't you? Admit it!

Nope. Running with an earlier joke.

I already gave the reasoning that led to my vote on yog. Check my posts, do a little thinking, and it should come to you. You've done remarkably well divining some of my intentions and (attempted) misdirections in the past.

D'oh! Thanks.

Unvote Krypsyn.
Vote yogsloth.

Krypsyn's self-vote is hardly going to last long enough to be there if he gets lynched. He isn't suicidal. As far as I'm concerned, my vote was effectively only the second vote on him. The longer train looked pretty, but that was about it.

I'm not sure why I'd want to be sure to have a vote show up in one of the vote counts; we've got plenty of players (including me) that have tools that assist in finding votes, and I hope everyone realizes that someone can move their vote more than once between mod vote counts.

I was "gone" from the game for less than 36 hours; hardly a vanishing act. I could go back and try to figure out what I was doing in RL, but it isn't really relevant and I'm feeling lazy.

Krypsyn might well be scum; I don't know. Some of his play reminds me of previous games, where he was scum. I don't think I've ever seen him play a game as town though, so I don't really have any frame of reference (even he has remarked that he is getting fuzzy on how he plays as town). I've noticed his recent love affair with Youtube, and how he isn't really doing anything besides that. Of course, a bunch of people aren't really doing anything right now (have you heard from Flub or JMich in awhile?). I'm noting such things and moving right along, since I've already learned that I can't force players to be active or to respond. I can, however, provide something for them to respond to, and a lack of response can be a response. I mentioned how the people that don't seem fazed at all should be observed, and cristigale responded a little later. Did she reply at that point so as to seem like she isn't ignoring my oddness, or did she show up later because that is when she became available?

The fact that it was you, yogsloth, that received my changed vote is incidental, and someone else entirely is (half) to blame for it (with me being the other half, since I actually cast the vote). I've already stated the method to this particular piece of madness. Do you think you can figure out what reason I'll state for voting for you?

One thing I'm doing is amusing myself by taking some common preconceptions and breaking them over my knee. I might lose the knee in the process, but I think some players take reading into the minutiae of each post a little far. I'll be obeying the big townie rule of "Don't Lie", but I plan to repeatedly break the expectation of "townies always refer to themselves as part of town".

I'll be open about one of my big objectives; last game I refrained from mentioning this aspect of my strategy. I plan to look scummy enough that scum will pick someone else to NK, while not quite looking scummy enough to get lynched. It is a fine line, and post-game I'm looking forward to seeing whether scum decide to factor this tidbit into their calculations. Am I protecting something, or just trying to look like I'm protecting something?
Naturally, this paragraph is a full tankard of vodka in front of any town players that try to analyze it. Enjoy!

And lastly: I don't care to have RVS circle around pointlessly until a townie ends up dead. If a townie ends up dead, I want town to actually gain from it. I've been trying to figure out a way to spank RVS without using roles or PMs; my current conclusion is that it requires someone DOING something, so that's what I'm doing.

It will be interesting to see how things play out when I am finally scum of some flavor.

It isn't so recent. Heck, it is about all I did in flubbucket's Milk game; in the the game thread, the dead thread, and in the mod thread. Occasionally concurrently.

Trufax. Everyone else probably is a bit fuzzy as well, so I suppose it is all good.

Whether that's truth or lie I find it a compelling case. So the vodka must be doing something right.

While Vitek has said the game may be unbalanced, I'm not quite sure what to make of that. It can't be 7 mafia/7 townies, or the outcome is not only unbalanced but predestined. I have no idea if there's a 3rd faction or not, and while there may be independents, only they and Vitek would know if their roles would impact faction-win. "Lyncher" for example, would not.

So in any case, my assumption is that Day 1, >50% chance RVS nails a townie. That's too high for me without pretty good reason, thus the no-lynch vote.

RVS might pan out, either by dint of a lucky vote, or by giving us some information about what factions/roles are in the game. But you know, that would be a pretty high price to pay if the information was that we just lynched the town doctor. "Hey, good to know!"

And as a point of strategy, if we lynch one and there's a single NK, we'd need 7 of 12 votes for a lynch in Day 2, and with at least a few of those votes likely scum, and perhaps a few voters MIA. That's a pretty high hurdle to get over as a practical matter.

So a lynch in Day 1 strikes me as a high variance strategy - if town is starting the game with a significant majority (which even 'unbalanced' i think is likely), high variance is probably the wrong way to start. I'd rather go into Day 2 needing that 7 of 13 than 7 of 12.

I hate talking about set-ups, but, generally speaking, if Vitek says the game is unbalanced, it means:
1) More than one anti-town faction
2) Many power roles (Role Madness being the extreme example)
3) More varied roles (insane cops, etc)
4) Any combination of the above

Basically, the more uncertainty is added, the more unbalanced the game becomes. I refuse to speculate any more at this time.

http://memegenerator.net/instance/20825089

Been 12+ minutes so this should make a new post rather than edit. Anyway, other than succeeding in aggravating Krypsyn and getting him to talk about things he'd prefer not to talk about it's pretty dully around here.

So probably time to take my tipsy and tired self to bed as well. Might get a quick check in the morning but won't likely have any serious time to catch up til mid afternoon (PST).

Oh, most certainly "won't". I am sure I "can", but it wouldn't be prudent.

Yes. I'm a European in a game full of Americans, I go to sleep and return to find more than 50 new posts.

By "this ****" you mean not participate in idle chit-chat? Or wait for more actions and reactions? Or even playing the game in a different way than you?

And again with the number of posts as reason for scumminess. Haven't I already said that posting activity has no bearing on affiliation? And lynching a lurker because he's lurking is almost as bad as a no lynch in the first days. You do know why a no lynch vote on day 1 is bad, don't you?

You shouldn't play your PM'd character, unless you want to give hints as to what said character is. Always assume scum are at least as intelligent as town in picking up hints, so question whether scum knowing your role is bad for the town before hinting at it.

Yes. Busy with ToME. No idea about flub.

Beware of the boy that cried wolf though. Attempting to set up traps or baits is a double edged sword.

There's such an expectation? Since when?

No, no, no, no. Consider the position we are in on Day 1. We have no info, other than what our PM may contain. We go for a no lynch. Day 2 dawns. We have a body, and nothing else. So we are at the same point we were on Day 1, minus a townie (since I doubt scum would be hitting their own). We don't have any extra info to work with, other than any possible investigations that are unlikely to be shared on Day 2 (role would draw too much heat).

If on the other hand we do have a lynch wagon to analyze from Day 1, we can see who was pushing the wagon a bit harder than they should, or who tried to derail the wagon. We also have the arguments people presented about lynching the target, and see if there are any holes in said arguments. Voting no lynch (or randomly, or because one is lurking) prevents the arguments, thus prevents most of the wagon analysis from procuring anything useful.

That doesn't mean there aren't cases when a no lynch is a viable strategy, but Day 1 isn't one of those.

I'm sorry for being inactive (not prod-worthy just yet.)

I received an early 4th of July present for my job....they are closing our facility.


Bunch of Dicks to be sure.

I'll not need to be replaced just yet, but I'm going to try to read through and give input as best I can.




Let me know if I become a burden and I'll bow out.

Some.

Post #105- Bookwyrm's comment regarding "Jump on the first vote..." does NOT make me comfortable. I don't think Day One warrants such recklessness.

Also the part about "...could you make me and a townie..." Welp is looks kinda trolling in my opinion.

Post #120- agentcarr has an unusual grasp of the players. How he know this??

Post #138- Bookwyrm "...more than a scum or neutral might exclude themselves (sic) from town..." Whut???

There is scum, neutral, town.....unless you are a mysterious fourth party.

I don't like this post.

An alleged claim and a Vote for no lynch.......yuck!!

My only guess for ERP would be the Asian group Emerson, Rake, and Palmer...but that's just me spit balling.

Yog and Wyrm seem to be the most active ones but I can't help it to see their interaction as two townies barking at each other. Well, Yog is doing most of the barking but that's what he usually does. His views of the whole Wyrm act seem a bit far-fetched to me but we'll have to see how things develop. So far I'm not sold. Wyrm is the more interesting party of the two. It's obvious he has something in the works but I can't measure how deep it is and what the actual plan might be out of the obvious.

Bler continues to act as a new player who believes what seems to be in our best interest is the correct move. I see myself from my very first game - I also had prior IRL Werewolf experience and I thought I knew how forum mafia works, but the dynamic of the two variants is not the same. He feels Town.

I want to see more from cristigale, CSPVG and Jmic...

@Flub, sorry about the work thing, I hope it all turns out fine in the end.

Sorry about your job, they really are being dicks and I hope you are able to find something else soon. If I was there we could toilet paper or egg the decision makers house ;-)



Busy day ahead for me since it's the 4th, but I will still be posting as much as possible or needed. Nothing at the moment jumps out that I have not already said. Happy 4th to all in the U.S.A.!!!