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JMayer70: Automobile fetishists perhaps? At least such inanimate objects won't worry about consentuality!

I don't know about games being pro or anti LGBT, but there's some that are definately misogynist, not having one single female character anywhere.

The entire "Armed Assault" series is mostly like that, and the bigots at Bohemia Interactive are usually very aggressive on their forums with anyone who says their "male only" game universes are unrealistic!
"Two Worlds" was another one..... not one girl anywhere, except the protagonist's sister! In fact I stopped playing and dumped Two Worlds purely because of this chauvinist unrealistic shit!
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tinyE: Well, what about the Settlers. All the Amazons are women. Isn't that sexism?
Exactly the same for "Alien Nations" too!!!!! Seeing as Amazons *are* meant to be warrior women then maybe this can just about be excused! I'm sure it has other factions in the game too!
But yes, fundamentally it *is* sexist to exclude males as well!
Anyway us males should be used to being flippin' prejudiced against by now - and I still deem "Bohemia Interactive" as morons when it comes to the "Armed Assault" series!
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tinyE: Well, what about the Settlers. All the Amazons are women. Isn't that sexism?
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JMayer70: Exactly the same for "Alien Nations" too!!!!! Seeing as Amazons *are* meant to be warrior women then maybe this can just about excused! I'm sure it has other factions in the game too!
But yes, fundamentally it *is* sexist to exclude males as well!
Anyway us males should be used to being flippin' prejudiced against by now - and I still deem "Bohemia Interactive" as morons when it comes to the "Armed Assault" series!
I just want to say I consider myself a feminist and as a guy I can assure you that women who seek to be equal with us lack ambition. :P I just threw that out there because I was curious and I appreciate a good conversation.
What a meager list. Any TRUE hardcore diversity gamer you would know that Freddi Fish 2 is the most representative game of all time.

It has everything; a female protagonist, a closeted electric eel, a movie-watching fish with an eating disorder, and two sharks stuck in a ghost's body (that would fit the T bill).
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Gengar78: What a meager list. Any TRUE hardcore diversity gamer you would know that Freddi Fish 2 is the most representative game of all time.

It has everything; a female protagonist, a closeted electric eel, a movie-watching fish with an eating disorder, and two sharks stuck in a ghost's body (that would fit the T bill).
I so need to play that! :P
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JMayer70: Exactly the same for "Alien Nations" too!!!!! Seeing as Amazons *are* meant to be warrior women then maybe this can just about excused! I'm sure it has other factions in the game too!
But yes, fundamentally it *is* sexist to exclude males as well!
Anyway us males should be used to being flippin' prejudiced against by now - and I still deem "Bohemia Interactive" as morons when it comes to the "Armed Assault" series!
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tinyE: I just want to say I consider myself a feminist and as a guy I can assure you that women who seek to be equal with us lack ambition. :P I just threw that out there because I was curious and I appreciate a good conversation.
Both sexes have their weaknesses and strengths, overall though there is no tangible claim for either to claim superiority over the other. I'm "equalist" on the subject, even if I have just made that word up!

Two Worlds had no females probably because the developers were lazy and could not be arsed making the 3d models needed..... after all "Two Worlds" is shite! But with "Armed Assault" level AAA titles, there's no real excuse. And if you visit Bohemia Interactive's official forums the stench of misogyny is overwhelming. Mention there should be women in any Armed Assault title and you'll be shredded by the trolls. Trolls whom I think are BI Studios insiders!
Only the original Armed Assault Cold War Crisis (ex Operation Flashpoint) had women implemented properly, and only then after the efforts of the modding community! BI Studios did *not* like that!

Armed Assault 1 had NONE, and still has none. This time, BI Studios deliberately made it as difficult as possible if not completely impossible for even modders to add some!
Armed Assault 2 had a few - but they were rendered USELESS.... they couldn't even drive vehicles, let alone hold a gun and fight back! BI Studios again deliberately did not code any base animations, models etc for any modders to work with.
Armed Assault 3 also has none, just like AA1, and again BI Studios will have sabotaged anything that could make it easy for modders to add some!

Armed Assault series are good, but BI Studios are assholes IMO! Oh and they're most definately zealots of the "overpriced DLC swindle" as well! This is why BI Studios pulled Armed Assault and Armed Assault 2 from GOG. GOG would not let them try rip us gamers off so easy..... so they moved to Steam, where they can commit any fraud they like!
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Gengar78: What a meager list. Any TRUE hardcore diversity gamer you would know that Freddi Fish 2 is the most representative game of all time.

It has everything; a female protagonist, a closeted electric eel, a movie-watching fish with an eating disorder, and two sharks stuck in a ghost's body (that would fit the T bill).
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tinyE: I so need to play that! :P
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!

(although it's more of a hole with a hatch over it rather than a closet but eh, same thing)
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JMayer70: I don't know about games being pro or anti LGBT, but there's some that are definately misogynist, not having one single female character anywhere.
Or, disallowing the player from playing female characters for no good reason. (Eschalon Book 1 I'm looking at you! Especially bad since there is a gender spot in the character creation screen, but when you try to change it you get a BS message.)

Or, penalizing the player for playing female characters. (SSI Gold Box games, I'm looking at you, with your sexist Strength caps for female characters!)

Or, giving female characters fewer options than male characters. (Arcanum, I'm looking at you with the lack of option to play female dwarves (and some other races)!)

I could also mention Dragon Quest 5, which requires you to play a male character, and whose treatment of female characters is worse than that of its predecessor. (It also bothers me that the next 3 games in the series required you to play a male character as well, and there wasn't even the excuse of marriage and having children!)
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JMayer70: I don't know about games being pro or anti LGBT, but there's some that are definately misogynist, not having one single female character anywhere.
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dtgreene: Or, disallowing the player from playing female characters for no good reason. (Eschalon Book 1 I'm looking at you! Especially bad since there is a gender spot in the character creation screen, but when you try to change it you get a BS message.)

Or, penalizing the player for playing female characters. (SSI Gold Box games, I'm looking at you, with your sexist Strength caps for female characters!)

Or, giving female characters fewer options than male characters. (Arcanum, I'm looking at you with the lack of option to play female dwarves (and some other races)!)

I could also mention Dragon Quest 5, which requires you to play a male character, and whose treatment of female characters is worse than that of its predecessor. (It also bothers me that the next 3 games in the series required you to play a male character as well, and there wasn't even the excuse of marriage and having children!)
Agreed, these would piss me off too!
I saw a recent thread that listed games which had gay themes. Several of them were on my Summer Sale wishlist and I immediately deleted them. I know I'm old school and in the minority now, but I play games to relax and have fun, and I choose not to buy games with that stuff included. Live and let live, but I appreciate the opportunity to avoid them. I guess I'll be buying fewer new games, but let the market decide.
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JMayer70: Armed Assault 1 had NONE, and still has none. This time, BI Studios deliberately made it as difficult as possible if not completely impossible for even modders to add some!
Armed Assault - Queen's Gambit features one (1) woman, who happens to be invisible and... EVIL!
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JMayer70: Only the original Armed Assault Cold War Crisis (ex Operation Flashpoint) had women implemented properly, and only then after the efforts of the modding community! BI Studios did *not* like that!
Incorrect, though she only appears in cutscenes, and is shot dead by the main villain.
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RetroPopz: I saw a recent thread that listed games which had gay themes. Several of them were on my Summer Sale wishlist and I immediately deleted them. I know I'm old school and in the minority now, but I play games to relax and have fun, and I choose not to buy games with that stuff included. Live and let live, but I appreciate the opportunity to avoid them. I guess I'll be buying fewer new games, but let the market decide.
How does having "gay themes" in a game detract from the relaxation and fun that the games provide?
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RetroPopz: I saw a recent thread that listed games which had gay themes. Several of them were on my Summer Sale wishlist and I immediately deleted them. I know I'm old school and in the minority now, but I play games to relax and have fun, and I choose not to buy games with that stuff included. Live and let live, but I appreciate the opportunity to avoid them. I guess I'll be buying fewer new games, but let the market decide.
HANG ON
I've had a second to think about this, and something doesn't sit right with your post beyond your opinion
This thread is about what games have LGBT "stuff" in them, not if you approve of or like/dislike to play those games.

The way I see it, that makes your coming in here and posting what you did a troll post. No one in this thread wants to hear how myself, or you, or Joe Blow feels about LGBT content.
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JMayer70: Armed Assault 1 had NONE, and still has none. This time, BI Studios deliberately made it as difficult as possible if not completely impossible for even modders to add some!
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Dalswyn: Armed Assault - Queen's Gambit features one (1) woman, who happens to be invisible and... EVIL!
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JMayer70: Only the original Armed Assault Cold War Crisis (ex Operation Flashpoint) had women implemented properly, and only then after the efforts of the modding community! BI Studios did *not* like that!
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Dalswyn: Incorrect, though she only appears in cutscenes, and is shot dead by the main villain.
No Dalswyn, it is very correct! Sounds like you may have only played an early incarnation of OFP! You are referring to the cutscene where General Guba shoots, Angelina, his PA! Her model could be used by the player with modding - but she oddly had anims based on the male soldier models, so looked funny! If you had the full GOTY Operation Flashpoint, or AA Cold War Crisis as it is now called, there were five civilian, fully usable female models. The only restrictions when using them for play is the restrictions that all "Civ side" units get (ie the waring sides mostly ignore them) and the female units had their inventory space reduced - and they were disallowed heavier infantry weapons (RPGs, SAMs etc). However, the modding community fixed all those issues!

In Armed Assault 2, the girls were not even allowed to pick up so much as a water pistol, or drive vehicles, they had no 1st person veiw model detail, so you we're "half invisible" when trying to play as one, had many vehicle position models missing..... so if you had one as a car passenger say, they'd be invisible as well..... a whole host of other problems too!

Walk, run and sit. That's about the only female unit actions, animations, scripting etc that BI Studios could be bothered with in AA2! But they did make them look pretty, oh yes, they managed that OK!

Wait, AA1 had TWO, the invisible "Queen" and that reporter woman! Who also could not be used as a player or NPC in the game. Only worked in cutscenes.
Post edited June 18, 2016 by JMayer70
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Dalswyn: Armed Assault - Queen's Gambit features one (1) woman, who happens to be invisible and... EVIL!

Incorrect, though she only appears in cutscenes, and is shot dead by the main villain.
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JMayer70: Sounds like you may have only played an early incarnation of OFP! If you had the full GOTY Operation Flashpoint, or AA Cold War Crisis as it is now called, there were five civilian, fully usable female models. The only restrictions when using them for play is the restrictions that all "Civ side" units get (ie the waring sides mostly ignore them) and the female units had their inventory space reduced - and they were disallowed heavier infantry weapons (RPGs, SAMs etc). However, the modding community fixed all those issues!

In Armed Assault 2, the girls were not even allowed to pick up so much as a water pistol, or drive vehicles, they had no 1st person veiw model detail, so you we're "half invisible" when trying to play as one, had many vehicle position models missing..... so if you had one as a car passenger say, they'd be invisible as well..... a whole host of other problems too!

Walk, run and sit. That's about the only female unit actions, animations, scripting etc that BI Studios could be bothered with in AA2! But they did make them look pretty, oh yes, they managed that OK!

Wait, AA1 had TWO, the invisible "Queen" and that reporter woman! Who also could not be used as a player or NPC in the game. Only worked in cutscenes.
And that one dies mid-game. Casualties: 3/3. You're right, BIS seems to hold a grudge against women.

I first played a retail version of OF+Red Hammer, then got Cold War Assault from Gog, but I've never used mods and it's been years since I used the editor. Do you remember Angelina?

The heck? Do they really think women can't handle a freaking LAW?
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JMayer70: Sounds like you may have only played an early incarnation of OFP! If you had the full GOTY Operation Flashpoint, or AA Cold War Crisis as it is now called, there were five civilian, fully usable female models. The only restrictions when using them for play is the restrictions that all "Civ side" units get (ie the waring sides mostly ignore them) and the female units had their inventory space reduced - and they were disallowed heavier infantry weapons (RPGs, SAMs etc). However, the modding community fixed all those issues!

In Armed Assault 2, the girls were not even allowed to pick up so much as a water pistol, or drive vehicles, they had no 1st person veiw model detail, so you we're "half invisible" when trying to play as one, had many vehicle position models missing..... so if you had one as a car passenger say, they'd be invisible as well..... a whole host of other problems too!

Walk, run and sit. That's about the only female unit actions, animations, scripting etc that BI Studios could be bothered with in AA2! But they did make them look pretty, oh yes, they managed that OK!

Wait, AA1 had TWO, the invisible "Queen" and that reporter woman! Who also could not be used as a player or NPC in the game. Only worked in cutscenes.
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Dalswyn: And that one dies mid-game. Casualties: 3/3. You're right, BIS seems to hold a grudge against women.

I first played a retail version of OF+Red Hammer, then got Cold War Assault from Gog, but I've never used mods and it's been years since I used the editor.

The heck? Do they really think women can't handle a freaking LAW?
AFAIK the original OFP + Red Hammer + CWA should be equiv to the full GOTY, AA:CWC versions. If you have Nogova Island available in your copy, then you should also have the five civilian side women units.
The other one you mentioned was General Guba's PA, Angelina. She was normally hidden from general player use, but mods could unlock her, again she had the reduced inventory space and the no LAW/RPGs restriction. She also looked strange in many animations, as she was based bizarrely on the generic male soldier skeleton! After all, BI only intended her for cutscenes, and not as an actual player character!
Post edited June 18, 2016 by JMayer70