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Posted July 01, 2019
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clarry: My gut says that no matter how much you try to get people to request refunds en masse, there's only going to be a handful of people, and it'll only hurt GOG's bottom line, but not enough for them to do anything about it. ...
Because of that I chose to keep my "broken" "Party Hard" and get the missing files elsewhere.

What to do with part 2 I don't now until now.

Maybe I will buy it here VERY cheap in the future and get the rest somewhere else, too.

Sadly a dumb situation, for all the wrong reasons, and I hope it can be changed in the future... :(
Post edited July 01, 2019 by Anime-BlackWolf
Posted July 01, 2019
Tinybuild should have their GOG partnership revoked immediately

No one should be defending them either, you are only hurting yourselves and GOG by not taking a stand against shitty business practices.
Posted July 01, 2019
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EnforcerSunWoo: Wouldn't want to rock the boat and actually get a fair shake for customers that feel like they have been ripped off. We couldn't have that now could we? That would be wrong to have a store front that was dedicated to providing products and services that people actually paid for. You either do right by the people that have been wronged or you are complacent in allowing these practices to perpetuate.
Ok, look.. I could be wrong on all counts.. and this isn't going to sound nice.. but I sincerely believe GOG is in deep fucking shit.

Here's why:

1) They have no selling point. They did, when releasing old games nobody else bothered to sell was a new thing. But now everyone realized they can sell their old junk, so you can go buy most of it on Steam or what have you. Also, the vein of old titles that can be obtained and re-released is running dry. Old games are not keeping GOG afloat, they have not been keeping GOG afloat for years now. New games do, but the only selling point GOG has when it comes to new games is that they're DRM-free. Unfortunately the vast majority of the market does not understand what it means and does not care at all. Consumers, which is where GOG gets money from, do not care. GOG gets (not even) shit from consumers!

2) The majority of game devs & publishers are lazy effin c***s who cannot be arsed to look beyond the one big platform where most of the sales are. Instead, they find excuses why spending the time to do a release on GOG is not worth it. Publishers don't care! And this means GOG has to work hard to lure them to their platform and make it seem like a worthy deal. Unfortunately GOG already has a reputation for being difficult to work with. GOG gets shit from publishers & devs! Demanding more from publishers can only make it harder to strike deals with them. Kicking publishers (even if justified) will further hurt GOG's reputation as being difficult to work with.

3) The majority of consumers can't be bothered to look beyond their favorite Steam library. GOG gets (not even) shit from consumers!.

4) Competition in GOG's market is fierce, and it only got a lot worse recently, thanks Epic. Turning profit is seriously difficult, and I don't see it getting any easier in the near future. GOG probably gets shit from investors, because they aren't making much dough. Investors probably see GOG mainly as a side project that helps CDPR sell their titles.

5) GOG seems to have some internal issues. I don't know if it's mismanagement or simple lack of resources or what, but technical issues with the website & Galaxy seem common and progress on them is really slow. Features are promised and never delivered, bugs sit for years... GOG gets shit from users because of these issues.

6) GOG gets shit from social media lynch mob. And then they fire their own people, and from the rumours I've heard, some old timers left out of their own volition (I wish I knew the story with linuxvangog). GOG gets shit from inside.

7) Cutting communications and losing values (regional pricing? fair price package? priorization of galaxy to the demise of offline installers? woefully neglected linux support? etc.), GOG gets shit from some of their biggest long time fans.

8) When removing titles from the catalog, for whatever reason, GOG gets shit from users who wanted to buy a DRM-free GOG release no matter what.

9) GOG gets shit from their fans, users, publishers, and game developers due to their curation policy that can't ever satisfy everyone.

The list is longer but I got tired of typing. I hope I'm getting my point across. Basically, I think GOG gets a lot of shit and while some of it is deserved (due to their own failings), a lot of it due to them being stuck between rock and hard place. That's especially the deal with publishers & market behavior. That is not GOG's fault!

So they've managed to attract some shitty publishers. Of course GOG couldn't have known it's going to turn out like this when they were trying to strike a contract that gets them on the store instead of scaring them away. Too bad for us, and too bad for GOG...

If I take revenge on GOG for having made some friends that turned out to be bad, it feels like I'm buying nails for GOG's coffin. I am not going to do that.

These publishers need to be called out (preferrably until they come into compliance or get sick of it and leave on their own). I hope GOG also gets the message that we care (but to be fair I think they already know, some problem titles have been removed in the past), but giving them concrete shit in the form of refund requests may very do us all a disservice if you care about having a GOG in the future. I don't want to rock this boat.

Just my worthless two cents.
Posted July 01, 2019
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EnforcerSunWoo: Wouldn't want to rock the boat and actually get a fair shake for customers that feel like they have been ripped off. We couldn't have that now could we? That would be wrong to have a store front that was dedicated to providing products and services that people actually paid for. You either do right by the people that have been wronged or you are complacent in allowing these practices to perpetuate.
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clarry: Ok, look.. I could be wrong on all counts.. and this isn't going to sound nice.. but I sincerely believe GOG is in deep fucking shit.

Here's why:

1) They have no selling point. They did, when releasing old games nobody else bothered to sell was a new thing. But now everyone realized they can sell their old junk, so you can go buy most of it on Steam or what have you. Also, the vein of old titles that can be obtained and re-released is running dry. Old games are not keeping GOG afloat, they have not been keeping GOG afloat for years now. New games do, but the only selling point GOG has when it comes to new games is that they're DRM-free. Unfortunately the vast majority of the market does not understand what it means and does not care at all. Consumers, which is where GOG gets money from, do not care. GOG gets (not even) shit from consumers!

2) The majority of game devs & publishers are lazy effin c***s who cannot be arsed to look beyond the one big platform where most of the sales are. Instead, they find excuses why spending the time to do a release on GOG is not worth it. Publishers don't care! And this means GOG has to work hard to lure them to their platform and make it seem like a worthy deal. Unfortunately GOG already has a reputation for being difficult to work with. GOG gets shit from publishers & devs! Demanding more from publishers can only make it harder to strike deals with them. Kicking publishers (even if justified) will further hurt GOG's reputation as being difficult to work with.

3) The majority of consumers can't be bothered to look beyond their favorite Steam library. GOG gets (not even) shit from consumers!.

4) Competition in GOG's market is fierce, and it only got a lot worse recently, thanks Epic. Turning profit is seriously difficult, and I don't see it getting any easier in the near future. GOG probably gets shit from investors, because they aren't making much dough. Investors probably see GOG mainly as a side project that helps CDPR sell their titles.

5) GOG seems to have some internal issues. I don't know if it's mismanagement or simple lack of resources or what, but technical issues with the website & Galaxy seem common and progress on them is really slow. Features are promised and never delivered, bugs sit for years... GOG gets shit from users because of these issues.

6) GOG gets shit from social media lynch mob. And then they fire their own people, and from the rumours I've heard, some old timers left out of their own volition (I wish I knew the story with linuxvangog). GOG gets shit from inside.

7) Cutting communications and losing values (regional pricing? fair price package? priorization of galaxy to the demise of offline installers? woefully neglected linux support? etc.), GOG gets shit from some of their biggest long time fans.

8) When removing titles from the catalog, for whatever reason, GOG gets shit from users who wanted to buy a DRM-free GOG release no matter what.

9) GOG gets shit from their fans, users, publishers, and game developers due to their curation policy that can't ever satisfy everyone.

The list is longer but I got tired of typing. I hope I'm getting my point across. Basically, I think GOG gets a lot of shit and while some of it is deserved (due to their own failings), a lot of it due to them being stuck between rock and hard place. That's especially the deal with publishers & market behavior. That is not GOG's fault!

So they've managed to attract some shitty publishers. Of course GOG couldn't have known it's going to turn out like this when they were trying to strike a contract that gets them on the store instead of scaring them away. Too bad for us, and too bad for GOG...

If I take revenge on GOG for having made some friends that turned out to be bad, it feels like I'm buying nails for GOG's coffin. I am not going to do that.

These publishers need to be called out (preferrably until they come into compliance or get sick of it and leave on their own). I hope GOG also gets the message that we care (but to be fair I think they already know, some problem titles have been removed in the past), but giving them concrete shit in the form of refund requests may very do us all a disservice if you care about having a GOG in the future. I don't want to rock this boat.

Just my worthless two cents.
You yourself are complicit in allowing this bs to continue by not taking action. Hope you enjoy getting fleeced and allowing the same for your fellow customers.

Bye
Post edited July 02, 2019 by EnforcerSunWoo
Posted July 01, 2019
That's why I don't buy games on GOG anymore. GOG doesn't care if games are missing patches, DLC or even manuals. I've been asking GOG to take care of this problem for years already. All I got was a bunch of GOG-fanboys telling me that missing patches were the devs/publishers fault... But... Honestly? GOG doesn't give a flying fuck and knows they're selling outdated and incomplete games! I don't care whose fault it is, I won't risk buying stuff that's not getting updates. The only ones who have the power to change anything are GOG. They won't change it? I don't buy here anymore. It's that simple.

Last purchase I made here was Fallout 3 GotY on 3rd of June in 2017. Last game before that was Dex on 4th of November in 2016, which I only bought because I had € 4.10 wallet funds from buying The Witcher 3 GotY a few days earlier.
Posted July 01, 2019
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clarry: I sincerely believe GOG is in deep fucking shit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01vfavRV_aE

unfortunately, I wouldn't buy brand new games here because of the patching issues.
Posted July 02, 2019
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Impossible to support because... no DRM????

What garbage of response.
Posted July 02, 2019
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MarkoH01: I agree that it is "official enough" to complain. I just wanted to point out that they even mentioned to not wanting to make this official which is a pretty shitty move on their end.
You are right. Very shitty move. We are on the same page :P.
Posted July 02, 2019
tinyBuild as a publisher does very bad job by publishing half-shovelware games. I had several of their published games in my steam account and removed everything because its boring or ugly mobile ports.

I don't know why you have to discuss this publisher separately from all other shovelware providers, or maybe better to ask what you expect from such publisher?

I don't care if they will update any of their published games because I blacklisted them for myself long time ago. It's better to support genuine indie studios like creators of Book of Demons (they actively participate in forums and they continually release updates, such attention is very rare from devs), or one man projects like Stardew Valley, etc.
Posted July 02, 2019
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real.geizterfahr: That's why I don't buy games on GOG anymore. GOG doesn't care if games are missing patches, DLC or even manuals. I've been asking GOG to take care of this problem for years already. All I got was a bunch of GOG-fanboys telling me that missing patches were the devs/publishers fault... But... Honestly? GOG doesn't give a flying fuck and knows they're selling outdated and incomplete games! I don't care whose fault it is, I won't risk buying stuff that's not getting updates. The only ones who have the power to change anything are GOG. They won't change it? I don't buy here anymore. It's that simple.

Last purchase I made here was Fallout 3 GotY on 3rd of June in 2017. Last game before that was Dex on 4th of November in 2016, which I only bought because I had € 4.10 wallet funds from buying The Witcher 3 GotY a few days earlier.
GOG cares plenty, but you try leading the horse to water. There's only so much that GOG can do without compromising their relationships with the devs/publishers and having them pull games. 🙄
Posted July 02, 2019
Editing this entire post because the forum decided to just throw away what I had written...

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Darvond: GOG cares plenty, but you try leading the horse to water. There's only so much that GOG can do without compromising their relationships with the devs/publishers and having them pull games.
In a situation like this, GOG should be removing the games. A relationship with a publisher who consistently mistreats your customers is not one worth having, and their lack of action in these situations shows that they either don't care or have made some unfortunate legal agreements that prevent them from saying or doing anything while their customers are treated like dirt.
Post edited July 02, 2019 by Marioface5
Posted July 02, 2019
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MarkoH01: I disagree. While tinyBuild probably won't refund anything GOG will probably still do - and you made a contract with GOG and not tonyBuild. Unfortunately in this case tinyBuild will not even notice that somebody refunded a game.
I kind of see your point and, yes, it sucks for gog that they would have to pay refunds out of their own pocket. It is, however, their own fault for continuing to court and promote tinyBuild. TinyBuild want to pull a fast one on their gog customers and in the past they've gotten away with it because gog - by continuing to promote these games - is directly complicit in this.

If you're going to incessantly toot your own horn about being a curated™ store as gog does, that would also entail showing a publisher the door when it has a pervasive history of habitually dumping outdated builds here at full price and lets them rot - ostensibly to give the "pirates" a demo version to play.
Posted July 02, 2019
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fronzelneekburm: If you're going to incessantly toot your own horn about being a curated™ store as gog does, that would also entail showing a publisher the door when it has a pervasive history of habitually dumping outdated builds here at full price and lets them rot - ostensibly to give the "pirates" a demo version to play.
god point
Posted July 02, 2019
I don't understand a tinyBuild's statement about further updates on GOG. If you stop updating your game on GOG people will still be able to pirate a Steam version.

edit: typos
Post edited July 02, 2019 by AWG43
Posted July 02, 2019
the oddest part is what they thought of piracy = exposure back then https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-02-24-should-more-indie-developers-be-saying-just-pirate-it

must have been someone new that joined thats higher up that hates piracy ?
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