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Posted July 02, 2019
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That guy was way too polite and understanding with him. Should have just said "but people can just upload the extras from Steam too, there's no DRM on them. Makes no sense." Though honestly knowing humans even once that was explained to him the dev would have found a way to defend his position, rather than admit he was wrong.

Anyway, shame to see this kind of ignorance effects support for GOG customers. It's the kind of thing that makes me hesitate to buy a new release here sometimes, unless the publisher has a history of solid GOG releases.
Posted July 02, 2019
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StingingVelvet: That guy was way too polite and understanding with him. Should have just said "but people can just upload the extras from Steam too, there's no DRM on them. Makes no sense." Though honestly knowing humans even once that was explained to him the dev would have found a way to defend his position, rather than admit he was wrong.
To be perfectly honest, I wasn't aware of that at the time the conversation took place. But from the way it went, I'd have to agree with you that it likely wouldn't have made a difference.
I am often too polite when I'm baffled. ;p
Posted July 02, 2019
And yet they are so quick to reject games from publishers/devs that have a track record of keeping their things relatively up to date.
Posted July 02, 2019
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Marioface5: Editing this entire post because the forum decided to just throw away what I had written...

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Darvond: GOG cares plenty, but you try leading the horse to water. There's only so much that GOG can do without compromising their relationships with the devs/publishers and having them pull games.
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Marioface5: In a situation like this, GOG should be removing the games. A relationship with a publisher who consistently mistreats your customers is not one worth having, and their lack of action in these situations shows that they either don't care or have made some unfortunate legal agreements that prevent them from saying or doing anything while their customers are treated like dirt.
I get the strange feeling that GOG's contracts don't cover for such behavior, so they'd have to bteach it.
Posted July 02, 2019
I wonder what the future of Pathologic 2 will be here. I mean it's been updated in terms of patches so far, but compared to the earlier game (Pathologic HD), it was also only released with only 1 of the 3 playable characters (Haruspex) with the other two chars (Bachelor & Changeling) supposedly being released as "DLC" later on. Anyone want to place bets on the GOG version permanently missing that "DLC" and ending up a Haruspex-only build? As soon as it was released, I saw "TinyBuild" as the publisher and thought "I'm not even going to look at the game until it's properly "finished" with all three chars playable". Glad I did too given recent revelations.
Posted July 02, 2019
All TinyBuild games should be removed from GOG as soon as possible.

Ignoring this sets a terrible precedent for other publishers and reinforces the worst stigmas associated with GOG and DRM-free games.
Posted July 02, 2019
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AB2012: I wonder what the future of Pathologic 2 will be here. I mean it's been updated in terms of patches so far, but compared to the earlier game (Pathologic HD), it was also only released with only 1 of the 3 playable characters (Haruspex) with the other two chars (Bachelor & Changeling) supposedly being released as "DLC" later on. Anyone want to place bets on the GOG version permanently missing that "DLC" and ending up a Haruspex-only build? As soon as it was released, I saw "TinyBuild" as the publisher and thought "I'm not even going to look at the game until it's properly "finished" with all three chars playable". Glad I did too given recent revelations.
Are you saying that "3 playable characters with 3 unique storylines" line on Pathologic Classic HD store page is a lie?
Posted July 02, 2019
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AB2012: I wonder what the future of Pathologic 2 will be here. I mean it's been updated in terms of patches so far, but compared to the earlier game (Pathologic HD), it was also only released with only 1 of the 3 playable characters (Haruspex) with the other two chars (Bachelor & Changeling) supposedly being released as "DLC" later on. Anyone want to place bets on the GOG version permanently missing that "DLC" and ending up a Haruspex-only build? As soon as it was released, I saw "TinyBuild" as the publisher and thought "I'm not even going to look at the game until it's properly "finished" with all three chars playable". Glad I did too given recent revelations.
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AWG43: Are you saying that "3 playable characters with 3 unique storylines" line on Pathologic Classic HD store page is a lie?
Different games.
Pathologic 2 is a sort of remake of the first. But only one out of three characters are in there right now.
Posted July 02, 2019
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AWG43: Are you saying that "3 playable characters with 3 unique storylines" line on Pathologic Classic HD store page is a lie?
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omega64: Different games.
Pathologic 2 is a sort of remake of the first. But only one out of three characters are in there right now.
Now I get it. Thanks for clarification.
Posted July 02, 2019
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AWG43: Are you saying that "3 playable characters with 3 unique storylines" line on Pathologic Classic HD store page is a lie?
As omega64 already clarified, I meant Pathologic 2 for which the developers said:-

"We've made the tough decision to release the game in parts. The first part - the Haruspex's storyline—will be available in Q2 2019. The Bachelor's and the Changeling's stories will be released later. For now, we’re unsure how exactly we’ll release the other two stories technically - whether as DLCs or something else. What matters is, they remain as crucial to the overall concept and as content-complete as before, no matter how delivered to you"

http://ice-pick.com/en/the-state-of-pathologic-2/

So the developers (Ice-Pick Lodge) have said they'll release the other two parts "somehow", but there's zero guarantee that their publishers (tinyBuild) will require it to be on GOG. It could potentially end up Steam-only (like Party Hard's "High Crimes" DLC).
Posted July 02, 2019
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AB2012: snip
Sounds like Early Access release to me. Another reason to take their words with scepticism.
Posted July 02, 2019
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MarkoH01: I disagree. While tinyBuild probably won't refund anything GOG will probably still do - and you made a contract with GOG and not tonyBuild. Unfortunately in this case tinyBuild will not even notice that somebody refunded a game.
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fronzelneekburm: I kind of see your point and, yes, it sucks for gog that they would have to pay refunds out of their own pocket. It is, however, their own fault for continuing to court and promote tinyBuild. TinyBuild want to pull a fast one on their gog customers and in the past they've gotten away with it because gog - by continuing to promote these games - is directly complicit in this.

If you're going to incessantly toot your own horn about being a curated™ store as gog does, that would also entail showing a publisher the door when it has a pervasive history of habitually dumping outdated builds here at full price and lets them rot - ostensibly to give the "pirates" a demo version to play.
Oh, I completely agree on this as well. Did not want to defend this behavior. Now that GOG knows imo they wiht come is their decision.
Posted July 02, 2019
Hey GOG, could we get some curation over here? lol
Posted July 02, 2019
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Darvond: GOG cares plenty, but you try leading the horse to water. There's only so much that GOG can do without compromising their relationships with the devs/publishers and having them pull games.
The thing is: I won't buy games here if I can't be sure if they'll get patches and stuff. GOG has to decide wether they want to lose publishers that don't update their games here (but on other stores), or customers. Losing a few customers seems to be more profitable.

I don't really care anyway... I prefer my games DRM free, but I buy games on Steam, too. Patches and DLC are more important to me than DRM free, so I just buy interesting titles there. I'm still hanging around here to see if things are going to change some day. I'd love to get my games on GOG again :/



edit: Interesting... Your emoticon broke my post. Anything behind it just got deleted. That's... my whole answer^^ Thank God I always hit Ctrl+a, Ctrl+c before I hit the post-button, because we all know what a broken mess GOG's website and especially the forum can be (which is a whole different topic).
Post edited July 02, 2019 by real.geizterfahr
Posted July 02, 2019
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AB2012:
That would be ignoring though that the developer, Ice-Pick lodge, was on GOG long before they took on tinyBuild as the publisher for Pathologic 2 and that they've reliably been releasing and updating their games here for years. Both the soundtrack and art book are also available here, so in no way is the GOG version currently inferior to the Steam version.

Considering their behavior so far, it wouldn't be fair towards them to assume that Pathologic 2 will receive subpar support. There's no guarantees that it won't happen, of course, but there's no guarantees either that they won't go bankrupt and never finish the game at all, either.
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