Fully agree. If you see a troll, either ignore him or counter the one or top most craziest statements and just state briefly that you disagree. Refrain from a prolonged discussion. That's usually the best.
But what do you suggest instead? That transgender people disguise their "sexuality" and go to the (from their point of view) wrong toilet in order to not get any attention? That sounds like putting all the burden on them.

I think this is wrong. Instead we need more respect. Being transgender is not better or worse than being anything else. If only we publicly make this opinion heard than any outing won't be a big problem at all. That (and huge penalties for school bullying and other shit) should be the preferred solution.

Also for a transition period maybe the law should be that transgender people can choose which toilet they want to use. The one that feels right or the one where nobody asks questions...

Or the proposal I made some pages ago: unisex toilets for adults. Solves quite some problems while open up others.

Feeding trolls is often good fun, damn you ;)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFFgbc5Vcbw

No, the parents are clearly to blame. In particular, if you look at the parents' actions, including, for example, isolating her from her friends, they are clearly signs of abuse. Her parents sent her into a degree of depression that led to her committing suicide. Seriously, read the note. (Note that this, of course, assumes you are mentally healthy; if you are not, then you might not want to read the note, as it could be triggering for obvious reasons.

(Yes, there is the issue of copycat suicides, but there is also the fact that awareness of the issue does need to be raised. Also, I note that Leelah *wanted* the note to be shared.)

Also, I'm not sick.

Because, they don't?

Why did you put the word "Dragon" in your forum title?

I'm not sure I understand what you are asking, so I apologize if my response is off point. I am suggesting that these laws are bullshit and should be repealed; trans people are doing nothing wrong, and shouldn't have to have laws of this kind imposed on them. Laws like this are crap for the trans people who are presenting as their new gender identity since they risk being outed. Saying that trans people should hide their gender identity and use the bathroom in accordance with their birth gender isn't much better, since it all but amounts to trying to legislate trans people out of practical existence.

In other words, you want us to take the words of a depressed, distressed and suicidal teen as 100% fact. And your justification to make a stupid decision and share a suicide note (leading to the deaths of others) is because this same depressed, distressed and suicidal teen wanted it public?

I wonder if you would have the same view of a divorced husband who commits suicide and leaves a note detailing "all the reasons" his ex-wife "caused" him to kill himself? This should be published because he wants it to be, right?

I've read the note, it sounds like exactly what I would expect from a suicidal person trying to justify why it's all "other people's fault" why she killed herself. The funny thing about life is there are two sides to every story. I also read the parents side. Have you? I've seriously considered both sides of the story. Have you?

I don't find "clear signs of abuse". I see parents who deeply cared about the well-being of their child and were doing what they thought was for her best. I see a disturbed child trying to find every reason to blame her parents. I don't see simple answers to this conflict and I see nothing which is as clear-cut as you seem to claim it to be. I see a tragedy. And I see an interest group attempting to take advantage of it for the gain of their cause.

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And back to the actual topic...

C'mon, what does anyone think happened before this law? Did trans use restrooms? Was it really that big a deal?

What I see again is a political group attempting to capitalize on a non-issue. Granted, apparently other activists did the exact same thing by enacting another unnecessary law regarding bathrooms in one of the cities in the state. And so the cycle of stupidity and unneeded laws continues...

But you're not well.

Unfortunately, we tried that here in the states with regards to racism. While overtly racist laws are gone, racism is still very much alive and well here in the states.

I apologize if I created some confusion. I fully agree with you.

The only practical problem left is how to know if there is a genuine transgender person going to the women and girls toilet or a pedophile man in disguise. That's a bit of a practical problem where I would feel better if it could be solved somehow. I would not feel comfortable with any man (transgender or not) sharing the toilet (and definitely not the shower) with underage girls.

What?

You asked me a question about feminists that has as much validity as the question I asked you about your forum title.

Validity rules

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcU7FaEEzNU

I wonder how he feels?

Your link is useless to me (I don't follow links to random youtube videos), but the criteria for validity that the question about feminists violates is that it must not assume anything false. Hence, the question about the forum title that violates that same rule.

(Basically, if you ask why X is true, and X actually isn't true, the question is invalid.)

gotta love invalid questions, they are the best kind.