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Posted May 25, 2016
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Jonesy89: Target differentiates between men's and women's changing rooms? That's odd.
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dtgreene: I recently went to a Target and they only had, as far as I could tell, a "family" (meaning gender-neutral) changing area.
I just asked someone else, and they said the same thing; hence why I changed my post to "that's news to me"; I could have sworn that they didn't, but I was uncertain until someone else with better memory confirmed it.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: Labeling children trans is simply useless because a child's body undergoes a lot of changes before full growth / maturity is reached and its just giving a probably temporary condition a name used to describe a more permanent one. Children aren't sexual before puberty, and any gender-related feelings before that can be truly anything. Something can only be conclusive in that regard only after puberty and subsequent hormone-induced changes.
Wait, there are no girls or boys before puberty? That's news to everyone, including conservatards.

Prepubescent girls and boys absolutely exist. Ask a child. Ask your parent(s) what you were when you were 6. Also, there are gay and asexual people who nevertheless strongly identify with a particular gender. Gender is what you are. Sexuality is who you have sex with.

Now if a child is, for example, XX with a vagina, but is a boy (exhaustive requirement: says he's a boy and is serious about it), he's trans. No "research" needed, trans is just a term for what you are if you don't pick the gender option other people with your physical characteristics tend to pick.

What if a child changes their mind? Not a problem, they go back to being their previously assigned gender. Trans children don't undergo permanent/irreversible body modifications. When they're old enough, they start taking puberty blockers; when they're adults, they can have surgery.
What if an adult changes their mind? Tough shit, but that's what adulthood is for. Gender confirmation surgery is far from the worst decision an adult can make.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Firebrand9: In short, feelings trump logic. ... not merely decisions based on what feels good in the moment ...
I'm all for more facts instead of feelings. But you forgot, it's also partly ideology at work. Your convictions are responsible for interpreting and weighing the facts. The outcome may differ then.

For example one could show zero tolerance and put every criminal into prison (forever). This might (somewhat) reduce the crime rate (no repeated offenses) but would probably mean a lot of lives behind bars. Now it's up to what you believe whether your are willing to make that trade or not.

The same here. Not risking anything means strictly separated showers for girls, boys, men, women, transgender men and transgender women. This will cost a lot and people may not want to pay for that. So a compromise must reached and the exact value of the compromise is up to your personal beliefs. It's just a trade off between different things with different weights each time.

At least among adults we could vote for unisex toilets in public places. From a practical point of view this would shorten waiting times a lot because of more efficient use of available resources but it would require an a bit more relaxed attitude towards sharing things with the opposite sex. And in a bit more restricted environments like airplanes or trains it works.
Posted May 25, 2016
This is unbelievable. Not only you people don't care about the possibility of this kind of crap happening, you also dismiss evidence that it has ALREADY happened.

What does it take to make you change your minds? I'm pretty sure one little girl wouldn't be enough to do it, since it wasn't! Oh, it wasn't very serious, the guy just choked her to near death, but she's ok, right?

And if a couple of them do die or get abused & scarred for the rest of their lives, well tough! It's the price to pay just so one person in 300 can take a relaxed dump.

At this point, I'm not sure even your own children being attacked would change something.

This is some Animal Farm/1984 type shit right here. In Animal Farm the sheep were politically trained to drown out the valid concerns of the rest of the animals by bleating propaganda so loud that it would drown every other voice. And 1984, despite popular misconception, isn't really about surveillance, even though it plays a big role in the story.

It's about completely brainwashing people to remove their critical thinking & their perception of important issues even if they're happening before their very eyes. Cue Social Justice rhetoric.

Wishful thinking drowns reality. Welcome to the new world.
Posted May 25, 2016
You know Dalth, if you had even a shred of a sense of humor your bullshit would be a lot easier to swallow. :P

Take some advice from a brilliant man, "Life is far too important to be taken seriously."
Posted May 25, 2016
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Dalthnock: This is unbelievable. Not only you people don't care about the possibility of this kind of crap happening, you also dismiss evidence that it has ALREADY happened.

What does it take to make you change your minds? I'm pretty sure one little girl wouldn't be enough to do it, since it wasn't! Oh, it wasn't very serious, the guy just choked her to near death, but she's ok, right?

And if a couple of them do die or get abused & scarred for the rest of their lives, well tough! It's the price to pay just so one person in 300 can take a relaxed dump.

At this point, I'm not sure even your own children being attacked would change something.

This is some Animal Farm/1984 type shit right here. In Animal Farm the sheep were politically trained to drown out the valid concerns of the rest of the animals by bleating propaganda so loud that it would drown every other voice. And 1984, despite popular misconception, isn't really about surveillance, even though it plays a big role in the story.

It's about completely brainwashing people to remove their critical thinking & their perception of important issues even if they're happening before their very eyes. Cue Social Justice rhetoric.

Wishful thinking drowns reality. Welcome to the new world.
Now everyone who doesn't share your opinion is brainwashed sheep? lol, kek.
Posted May 25, 2016
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tinyE: You know Dalth, if you had even a shred of a sense of humor your bullshit would be a lot easier to swallow. :P

Take some advice from a brilliant man, "Life is far too important to be taken seriously."
Believe it or not, this is just about the only think I don't joke about.

I don't take anything else seriously & I make fun of everything & everyone, regardless of race, religion, nationality or economic background.

And if I didn't roll with your punches - which I usually would - in this thread is because I'm discussing the only thing that's important to me AND your barbs seemed aimed at undermining my position in the issue disguised as "light-hearted" guffaws.

If you want to humorously spar in any other thread, I'm game. But I warn you, I don't take kindly to people who go running home to mommy when the going gets offensive. ;)
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Acriz: Now everyone who doesn't share your opinion is brainwashed sheep? lol, kek.
It's not because they don't take my position... it's how they always try to steer this towards the transgender people, like they've been conditioned to do it.

It's a normal occurrence in these types. You present them with a topic about something & they steer it into something they can claim moral superiority about, like sexism, racism, or any type of "phobia" or intolerance, while completely ignoring the fact that the topic wasn't about any of that to begin with.
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Posted May 25, 2016
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Dalthnock: Believe it or not, this is just about the only think I don't joke about.

I don't take anything else seriously & I make fun of everything & everyone, regardless of race, religion, nationality or economic background.

And if I didn't roll with your punches - which I usually would - in this thread is because I'm discussing the only thing that's important to me AND your barbs seemed aimed at undermining my position in the issue disguised as "light-hearted" guffaws.
As a non-parent (with nieces/nephews), who doesn't live in the US, the only thing that's important to you is how bathroom laws in the US will throw children out to the hyenas (despite the fact that it appears it will make no difference, and you agree that adults being in the bathroom with children of the SAME sex is also a problem, but you don't care about that)?

You can understand how some people will take a lighthearted approach to this topic. I mean, after all, when I first read the initial post, I actually guffawed out loud at this: " For the first time in my life, I am afraid of something real. I am talking about the US toilet laws."

You can see how people find you alarmist and funny, I hope?
Posted May 25, 2016
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babark: As a non-parent (with nieces/nephews), who doesn't live in the US, the only thing that's important to you is how bathroom laws in the US will throw children out to the hyenas (despite the fact that it appears it will make no difference, and you agree that adults being in the bathroom with children of the SAME sex is also a problem, but you don't care about that)?

You can understand how some people will take a lighthearted approach to this topic. I mean, after all, when I first read the initial post, I actually guffawed out loud at this: " For the first time in my life, I am afraid of something real. I am talking about the US toilet laws."

You can see how people find you alarmist and funny, I hope?
Yes. I can see the funny in it. I *have* been interspersing my frothing with dry, subtle jokes in some of the posts.

But just because I don't live in the US or don't have children doesn't mean I can dismiss US children as not important.

EVERY child is important. Every single child carries within it the promise of something great. Granted, 99.99999adinfinitum% of them grow up to be complete wastes of space & oxygen, but you can never know which doesn't.

And it's been those *really* special people that have advanced the human race by leaps & bounds. If it weren't for them, we'd still be dragging our knuckles on the ground - if you think I'm exaggerating, just go see any sports match, where you'll witness people still speaking in grunts & growls.

So until such time as a child grows up old enough to see that they're just as useless as anyone else, they should be protected from their predators in every way possible.

Including not passing ridiculous laws that *force* people to bend over backwards to accommodate a very tiny percentage of the population in detriment of a much larger & fragile percentage - children.
Post edited May 25, 2016 by Dalthnock
Posted May 25, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: Labeling children trans is simply useless because a child's body undergoes a lot of changes before full growth / maturity is reached and its just giving a probably temporary condition a name used to describe a more permanent one. Children aren't sexual before puberty, and any gender-related feelings before that can be truly anything. Something can only be conclusive in that regard only after puberty and subsequent hormone-induced changes.
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Starmaker: Wait, there are no girls or boys before puberty? That's news to everyone, including conservatards.

Prepubescent girls and boys absolutely exist. Ask a child. Ask your parent(s) what you were when you were 6. Also, there are gay and asexual people who nevertheless strongly identify with a particular gender. Gender is what you are. Sexuality is who you have sex with.

Now if a child is, for example, XX with a vagina, but is a boy (exhaustive requirement: says he's a boy and is serious about it), he's trans. No "research" needed, trans is just a term for what you are if you don't pick the gender option other people with your physical characteristics tend to pick.

What if a child changes their mind? Not a problem, they go back to being their previously assigned gender. Trans children don't undergo permanent/irreversible body modifications. When they're old enough, they start taking puberty blockers; when they're adults, they can have surgery.
What if an adult changes their mind? Tough shit, but that's what adulthood is for. Gender confirmation surgery is far from the worst decision an adult can make.
Sp they're the same trans as adults are? With the same level gender dysphoria at a pre-hormonal age? They can ''identify'' as whatever fruitcake they want be it induced by real transgenderism or just fancy, but they won't have the same hormonal and emotional imbalance as adults who are pre-SRS and trans. They can be abnormal in the sex-gender relation area but what they have is different from what adults have. The experience for both is different is what I'm saying, just like sex-gender relations are different for adults and children whose genitals match their gender.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Dalthnock: snip
You see, for a productive discussion, you would have to procure some form a criminal statistics in public bathrooms. And then you would have to coherently and understandably describe how laxer bathroom laws would increase the crime rate in public bathrooms. You did neither.
Your OP was pointing at a hearsay story and then scream: "Won't someone please think of the children!"
Your OP was comical at best, and fear-mongering at worst. The reason why people don't see Sodom and Gomorrah is because you haven't presented any well founded case. Only a story that was inclonclusive and a story about a criminal who didn't give a shit about laws anyway.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Acriz: You see, for a productive discussion, you would have to procure some form a criminal statistics in public bathrooms. And then you would have to coherently and understandably describe how laxer bathroom laws would increase the crime rate in public bathrooms. You did neither.
Your OP was pointing at a hearsay story and then scream: "Won't someone please think of the children!"
Your OP was comical at best, and fear-mongering at worst. The reason why people don't see Sodom and Gomorrah is because you haven't presented any well founded case. Only a story that was inclonclusive and a story about a criminal who didn't give a shit about laws anyway.
Well, of all the ridiculous fear-mongering that goes on in the world, don't you think this is the one might be worth it?

As for criminal statistics, I was hoping this could all be stopped before there's any to show. And as for coherently and understandably describing how laxer bathroom laws would increase the crime rate in public bathrooms, let me just put it very succinctly:

If you make it easier for them, the sexual predators WILL take advantage of it. It's that simple.

And even if they can sneak into whatever toilet they want now, the fact that this removes any need to make sure they enter unseen *is* making it easier.

I'm sorry about the story being inconclusive, though. How inconsiderate of the child for surviving. If she hadn't, I'm sure that would've been conclusive enough.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Acriz: You see, for a productive discussion, you would have to procure some form a criminal statistics in public bathrooms. And then you would have to coherently and understandably describe how laxer bathroom laws would increase the crime rate in public bathrooms. You did neither.
Your OP was pointing at a hearsay story and then scream: "Won't someone please think of the children!"
Your OP was comical at best, and fear-mongering at worst. The reason why people don't see Sodom and Gomorrah is because you haven't presented any well founded case. Only a story that was inclonclusive and a story about a criminal who didn't give a shit about laws anyway.
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Dalthnock: Well, of all the ridiculous fear-mongering that goes on in the world, don't you think this is the one might be worth it?

As for criminal statistics, I was hoping this could all be stopped before there's any to show. And as for coherently and understandably describing how laxer bathroom laws would increase the crime rate in public bathrooms, let me just put it very succinctly:

If you make it easier for them, the sexual predators WILL take advantage of it. It's that simple.

And even if they can sneak into whatever toilet they want now, the fact that this removes any need to make sure they enter unseen *is* making it easier.

I'm sorry about the story being inconclusive, though. How inconsiderate of the child for surviving. If she hadn't, I'm sure that would've been conclusive enough.
Except that gender-inclusive restroom policies do not make it any easier for predators; there already isn't anything that physically prevents anyone from entering the "wrong" bathroom.

Also, sexual assault and rape are already crimes, regardless of whether they occur in the bathroom, or which bathroom they occur in.
Posted May 25, 2016
Ah whatever, this is taking too much of my time & I have other fronts where I should try to fight this battle.

Posting that last link was an impulse, and ultimately pointless, as the whole thing was just steered into talking about trans people again.

Like I said before, I don't think there's any point on dragging this thread, the alarm has been rung on these here prairies already. I should've moved on as I planned, but then I read that article just minutes later.

I won't be making that mistake again.
Post edited May 25, 2016 by Dalthnock
Posted May 25, 2016
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Dalthnock: Well, of all the ridiculous fear-mongering that goes on in the world, don't you think this is the one might be worth it?
Why this? Why should this be more legit than any other fear-mongering?

As for criminal statistics, I was hoping this could all be stopped before there's any to show.
You mention Animal Farm and 1984, but forgot Minority Report.

I'm sorry about the story being inconclusive, though. How inconsiderate of the child for surviving. If she hadn't, I'm sure that would've been conclusive enough.
Your OP story was inconclusive. The one where there was a middle aged men in the showers.
The one about a man strangulating a girl was already illegal and at no point was he claiming to be allowed to do that because of bathroom laws.
Post edited May 25, 2016 by Acriz
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