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Posted May 23, 2016
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PetrusOctavianus: First I thought it was about the Rotherham case in Islamic...uh United Kingdom, where 1400 underage girls were sacrificed to "Asian" (read: Pakistani) pedophiles, because to do otherwise would be "racism".

And now we have this case where special snowflakes have to be the center of the Universe instead of being adult, adapt and take some consideration to children. Children are after all a much larger group than the special snowflakes.
I really wanted to disagree with your remarks about the UK in your post, but *shrugs* I can't. We're flippin' doomed and circling the drain. :-)
Posted May 23, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: What is amab and afab? Yes, but we can't take everything children say as truth, so we can't say a child is transgender more than a child can say he / she is something else.

Puberty or majority? Isn't majority age required to consent to SRAS?
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dtgreene: AMAB = Assigned Male At Birth
AFAB = Assigned Female At Birth

Some people prefer to prefix these acronyms with a C, meaning "coercively", to reinforce the fact that the assignment is done without the newborn's consent.

Puberty is when you need to worry about getting hormone blockers to prevent the child from going through the incorrect puberty.

Also, what's this "SRAS" thing you are talking about?
Wow such a big acronym though. Why not just call it born male / female? Ofc the newborn cannot consent and it isn't coercive because its just using external features for assigning a sex, which is correct at the time.

That is sketchy. Puberty may, theoretically get rid of the gender dysphoria, or at least that's what I've heard.

SRAS = Sex reassignment surgery. I don't know if its a common acronym but its much easier to type.
Posted May 23, 2016
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Narakir: Quoting the abstract :

How can something that is acquired by life experience and is fundamentally a social construction (gender) can be programmed from birth ? I'm not biologist or neurologist, but I really don't get how a child can be born knowing he is a "man" or a "woman" until someone explains what it means.
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PetrusOctavianus: Gender as a social construct is a social construct.
After all, animals have gender roles too.
yes they do
and the Animal kingdom has homosexual animals and animals raising young of different species.
its an odd world
Posted May 23, 2016
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dtgreene: AMAB = Assigned Male At Birth
AFAB = Assigned Female At Birth

Some people prefer to prefix these acronyms with a C, meaning "coercively", to reinforce the fact that the assignment is done without the newborn's consent.

Puberty is when you need to worry about getting hormone blockers to prevent the child from going through the incorrect puberty.

Also, what's this "SRAS" thing you are talking about?
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Shadowstalker16: Wow such a big acronym though. Why not just call it born male / female? Ofc the newborn cannot consent and it isn't coercive because its just using external features for assigning a sex, which is correct at the time.

That is sketchy. Puberty may, theoretically get rid of the gender dysphoria, or at least that's what I've heard.

SRAS = Sex reassignment surgery. I don't know if its a common acronym but its much easier to type.
Three points to address:

1. The assignment is coercive because of how difficult it is to change it later, even if it is incorrect. Depending on the state of birth (in the US), it may require an invasive surgery that not every trans person wants, or it may even be outright impossible without changing the law.

2. Puberty is also where gender dysphoria tends to get more intense. In fact, it is common for people to realize that they are transgender at this age.

3. The common acronym here is "SRS". Some people prefer "GCS", which stands for "Gender Confirmation Surgery".
Posted May 23, 2016
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PetrusOctavianus: Gender as a social construct is a social construct.
After all, animals have gender roles too.
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mechmouse: yes they do
and the Animal kingdom has homosexual animals and animals raising young of different species.
its an odd world
As we speak I have two male rabbits downstairs screwing the shit out of each other. What's more, there is a female in the pen with them and they are ignoring her.
Posted May 23, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: Wow such a big acronym though. Why not just call it born male / female? Ofc the newborn cannot consent and it isn't coercive because its just using external features for assigning a sex, which is correct at the time.

That is sketchy. Puberty may, theoretically get rid of the gender dysphoria, or at least that's what I've heard.

SRAS = Sex reassignment surgery. I don't know if its a common acronym but its much easier to type.
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dtgreene: Three points to address:

1. The assignment is coercive because of how difficult it is to change it later, even if it is incorrect. Depending on the state of birth (in the US), it may require an invasive surgery that not every trans person wants, or it may even be outright impossible without changing the law.

2. Puberty is also where gender dysphoria tends to get more intense. In fact, it is common for people to realize that they are transgender at this age.

3. The common acronym here is "SRS". Some people prefer "GCS", which stands for "Gender Confirmation Surgery".
1.OK I understand why some people don't like it.

2.So its done to reduce chances of suicide? Or just stall the hormones until the desired ones can be administered after age of majority is reached?

3.I'll keep it in mind.
Posted May 23, 2016
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dtgreene:
1) sex is NOT assigned at birth (generally), its not like doctors go "this baby is a girl but I'll give her a penis & testes for shits & giggles."& grabs sex organs from a box & mooshes them in place. then goes to the parents & says "it's a boy!"
Posted May 23, 2016
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Rusty_Gunn: 1) sex is NOT assigned at birth (generally), its not like doctors go "this baby is a girl but I'll give her a penis & testes for shits & giggles."& grabs sex organs from a box & mooshes them in place. then goes to the parents & says "it's a boy!"
Actually, sex is assigned and then recorded on the baby's birth certificate.

This, of course, creates problems when the baby has ambiguous genitalia, and the doctor has to make a (~50% likely to be wrong) decision.
Posted May 23, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: What is amab and afab? Yes, but we can't take everything children say as truth, so we can't say a child is transgender more than a child can say he / she is something else.

Puberty or majority? Isn't majority age required to consent to SRAS?
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dtgreene: AMAB = Assigned Male At Birth
AFAB = Assigned Female At Birth

Some people prefer to prefix these acronyms with a C, meaning "coercively", to reinforce the fact that the assignment is done without the newborn's consent.

Puberty is when you need to worry about getting hormone blockers to prevent the child from going through the incorrect puberty.

Also, what's this "SRAS" thing you are talking about?
puberty can be different for many.... this 'gender' stuff wasn't such world news in my era (the 70s) as it is now.
90% of the puber kids, were , how shall i put it: doing things like the grownup people would do :D
They would be 'exploring' the things that the girl had and the otherway around....
Someway it went wrong... maybe its because of all the garbage they use in our food or other things, i noticed that the world has become a big mess over time compared to the 'good old' days.
Socialmedia and modern technology arent exactly benificial to these things, cause nowdays when they see a kid of certain ages 'explores things', its all over the social media.

Anyway i blame most of the situations (90%) on technology, because before you know it your all over the WWW.
Posted May 23, 2016
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Narakir: Quoting the abstract :

How can something that is acquired by life experience and is fundamentally a social construction (gender) can be programmed from birth ? I'm not biologist or neurologist, but I really don't get how a child can be born knowing he is a "man" or a "woman" until someone explains what it means.
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PetrusOctavianus: Gender as a social construct is a social construct.
After all, animals have gender roles too.
Yup you're right.
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Posted May 23, 2016
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PetrusOctavianus: Gender as a social construct is a social construct.
After all, animals have gender roles too.
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Narakir: Yup you're right.
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Posted May 23, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: Holy shit people. If gender was a social construct, how can people be born with the sex? And all it would take to ''transition'' from one gender to another would be social conditioning / therapy. Currently, we need hormones and removal of birth genitalia for that. And both of those aren't social constructs.

You might be referring to gender roles.
I was yes, I never used "gender" to talk about someone's sex, probably because in my main language it didn't existed until it was imported from english. All in the semantics.
Post edited May 23, 2016 by Narakir
Posted May 23, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: Holy shit people. If gender was a social construct, how can people be born with the sex? And all it would take to ''transition'' from one gender to another would be social conditioning / therapy. Currently, we need hormones and removal of birth genitalia for that. And both of those aren't social constructs.

You might be referring to gender roles.
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Narakir: I was yes, I never used "gender" to talk about someone's sex, probably because in my main language it didn't existed until it was imported from english. All in the semantics.
OK thought you were misinformed about the whole it with all the people out on the internet trying to trick people into thinking something that has at least partial hormonal ie biological basis is socially constructed. And ofc if gender was entirely socially constructed, there wouldn't need to be anything done other than reverse social conditioning to change gender.
Posted May 23, 2016
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Narakir: I was yes, I never used "gender" to talk about someone's sex, probably because in my main language it didn't existed until it was imported from english. All in the semantics.
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Shadowstalker16: OK thought you were misinformed about the whole it with all the people out on the internet trying to trick people into thinking something that has at least partial hormonal ie biological basis is socially constructed. And ofc if gender was entirely socially constructed, there wouldn't need to be anything done other than reverse social conditioning to change gender.
That's usually what some crazy people would like to make other believe, that you can simply make a choice and pay to change things because we absolutely need to make the human body a merchandise do we ?
Posted May 23, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: OK thought you were misinformed about the whole it with all the people out on the internet trying to trick people into thinking something that has at least partial hormonal ie biological basis is socially constructed. And ofc if gender was entirely socially constructed, there wouldn't need to be anything done other than reverse social conditioning to change gender.
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Narakir: That's usually what some crazy people would like to make other believe, that you can simply make a choice and pay to change things because we absolutely need to make the human body a merchandise do we ?
They're just really uninformed, I think. The same people who say that gender is socially constructed say that despite this, people can be born with a sex that doesn't correspond with their gender. Even they can't decide which is true.
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