I'm going to bed in a sec. Have a full house tonight and they want breakfast at dusk. OY

Wake me if Dalth shows up with the evidence for his 90% comment. :P

What is OY?

nvm.

Exactly...it's evil to push children in that direction, let alone give them hormones or do surgery. For most children gender insecurity is just a phase that eventually goes away by itself. A sane society definitely wouldn't encourage children in their "transgender identity".
Good to see that some homosexuals are critical of this whole transgender business (or at least of its worst excesses)...I think the gay movement should dissociate itself from the transgender cause.

Not the whole transgender cause. Just these Social Justice groups. There ARE people who are willing to do just about anything to become the gender they identify with, and do manage to have very successful transitions. I applaud THOSE people, that tiny, microscopic percentage. THEY are the ones who are brave & have been for over 30 years.

But for the most part, all the people becoming trans just because it's "cool"... I'm pretty sure quite a few of the more level-headed people remember what it's like being a very young teenager. Lifelong decisions last about a week, and that's the successful ones.

It's a period when everyone is VERY confused about EVERYTHING, let alone sexuality. It's disgusting to prey on these children.

And this is what I've been saying all along, no matter how many times some of the people tried to twist my words: this is NOT a trans issue. Never has been.

Frankly, I'm highly suspicous of transgenderism...it's simply not possible to really change your biological sex, at least not today (maybe in a few decades technology will make it possible to totally transform a body...but we'll probably all be dead by then). People who have gender-reassigning surgery are basically mutilating themselves in my opinion, just for an illusion. It's a mental condition in my opinion, akin to people who would like to have limbs amputated or to anorexiacs...false body image. It's a condition to be pitied in my opinion, not to be celebrated (and I've never understood why it's likened to homosexuality...which proud gay man would willingly have his own d*ck cut off?).
For me the transgender movement is a step too far...it's another attempt at reconstructing society and forcing people to acuqiesce in lies. Totalitarian in intent if you ask me.

No you're not, but you are doing this on purpose. I'm not ok with men using anything along with little girls, period. Or little boys, but that IS allowed, always has been & there's nothing I can do about it.

Michelangelo's David is a statue, not a living thing, as you very well know. It *might* be used for explaining the differences between boys & girls & probably have a laugh at it, just as long as no body parts from either the adults or the children are used as reference & there are no mentions or examples on how those parts are used.

In other words, a light, innocent lesson to start with. They'll have plenty of time to figure out what those bits are for, and even more time to do all the stuff with them. Because between two or more consenting ADULTS, everything goes.

And I do not sexualise washing oneself, but someone else did point out, as you probably read but are pretending you haven't, there's a very real possibility for a middle-aged man to be sporting an erection while showering next to a little girl.

And if you think that's all right, then I do now want to know you in real life, ever.

As for your final question, I do not know, and if I did, would not tell you.
It's not totalitarian if it's not forced. And most of those people - that tiny, residual percentage - do know what they really want.

Sure, there may be the odd confused one who'll end up as a tragic cautionary tale, but that's a small fragment of a small percentage. Everything's a risk, and as risks go, these seem to be pretty low.

I say that whatever grown, emotionally stable people want to do is up to them, so long as it doesn't interfere with OTHER people's already established rights, which is the real issue in this whole toilet thing.

And yes, America is morally ill.

It's not totalitarian if it's not forced. And most of those people - that tiny, residual percentage - do know what they really want.


But that's the point...they want to force you to accept that gender/sex is basically just a social construct, that anyone can be what he/she wants to be...so grown men with their male genitalia intact can use women's restroom because deep down they feel they're female. And if you don't agree you are to be crushed as a bigot and excluded from polite society.
From the outside it's insane how dominated discourse in the US is by insane identity politics, sex issues etc. Plays right into the hands of the establishment.

I ain't gettin' involved in this thread which is, in nature, fated to go downhill, but I just wanna say:
Is it really necessary for y'all to keep insulting each other? The OP calls anybody who disagrees with him a pedophile and generally makes snide snipes at those making arguments against his position, while people in turn crack crude jokes about him and call him a bigot...can't we just respect each others' opinions and discuss this like rational folks?
Cut the nastiness. Please. We don't need this turning into the next GamersGate or Meanwhile in Cologne thread.

this may not be the best thread for this but...

If "Men" are the savages that feminists & other regressives seem to think, why is it the "men's" restrooms are fast becoming the eveyone else's restroom & the women's is still mostly "single gender"?

That's why I voice my concern wherever I can, and do not care if I'm made a social pariah, or whatever. I'll take it, if it means I can help even just a tiny little residual bit.

As for grown men with their genitalia intact, as you put it, I have said it before & will say it again, that I don't think Domino Presley, Kalena Rios or Bruna Butterfly, just to name a few - it's ALL RESEARCH, that's all it is - have ANY trouble whatsoever walking into the women's toilet to do their business, even if they do have their genitalia intact - which is something I would not know anything about - but would turn many heads & cause quite a commotion if they used the men's toilets.

So again, this is NOT about trans issues, because REAL trans, not fad trans, have been using the toilets of their choice for quite a while now, so the only explanation is that they're being used as a cover-up for another cause entirely, which I don't think they asked for.
Fair point, and I have admitted I was a bit blinded by rage, which is all my fault & no one else's.

I will try to tone down my stupidity.

I can't promise about the snide snipes, as I do that everywhere, especially in meat space.

No, I'm not very popular.

Actually, children who like to be dolled up are, indeed, to be dolled up. It being fun for the child in question is enough of a reason. (As long as there aren't any serious safety hazards, of course.)

I don't even know what to say to this.

Why are you making it so difficult for me to give you the benefit of the doubt?

Um...hormones aren't given to pre-pubescent children (except in cases where the child is getting older and hasn't gone through puberty; this typically happens only if the child is intersex or has a malfunctioning endocrine system), and surgery is typically done only to adults.

Also, a sane society would encourage children to be who they are, even (and perhaps especially) if that means being transgender; not doing so can lead to depression and suicide. Just look at the case of Leelah Alcorn.

omg stop feeding this troll. he's fat enough.