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htown1980: I think Dalthnock thinks that's ok as well?
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Dalthnock: You seem to be attacking me personally. Why? Are you hoping to gain something from these laws?

When did I say it's ok for any adult to flash their junk to children? Why are you saying I did? What is YOUR agenda here?
The quote above was in response to a4plz's question " What rights do I have if little boys and girls start flashing me?"

My point is, you stated, and I quote: "I'm talking about "adults" flashing their junk to children of the opposite sex & getting away with it."

You're issue seems to be that you are concerned about men going into women's toilets and flashing girls. You expressly mention in the quote above, that you are concerned about adults flashing their junk to children of the opposite sex (my question initial question was, why are you not concerned about men flashing their junk to children of the same sex -a4plz' tongue i cheek question was what about children flashing adults).

Men have been able to go into men's toilets and flash little boys for decades, why are you not concerned about that? Why are you only concerned about men flashing girls?

Women have been able to go into women's toilets and flash little girls for decades, why are you not concerned about that? Why are you only concerned about women flashing boys?

A man can go into a playground or a school or a park and flash a girl there. What makes toilets so different?

I don't understand the logic of your complaint.
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Dalthnock: over 90% of the Native Americans never gave a toss about it.
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tinyE: Feel free to back up that statement whenever you can.

I'll be here waiting.
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435625/redskins-doesnt-offend-native-americans-leftists-ignore-them

Now is the part where you tell me your sources are more reliable than mine, go ahead. Play that card.

Just like every noise in the last 20 years. Screaming minorities of Social Justice Warriors have been drowning the voices of the majority for quite some time - and that's how we got to this point.

Trans children. Go ahead, sexualize them.
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stryx: How about we put all children in special camps and don't let them out till they are 21 years old?
What if some of the children turn to out to be pedophile?
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Dalthnock: Why is it always white people speaking on behalf of other cultures & minorities?
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Alaric.us: Are you a child? If not, why are you speaking on behalf of children?

Or maybe, just maybe, one doesn't have to be someone else to grasp the notion that abusing that someone else is bad?
Just in case you may have forgotten, we were all children once. We can all safely speak on their behalf.

As you noticed, some people are even saying that 7 year old girls identify as 7 year old boys.

But I'm sure that my fears that people will use this as an excuse to sexualise children are unfounded.
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Dalthnock: So, you're going for the "I have a x friend" routine? Classy.
Yes. I have some friends who are gay and bi too. I agree that it's very classy indeed to talk and listen to people close to you, who are going through struggles that you can't immediately identify with. It's the same reason why I oppose Islamaphobia, even though I'm Christian -- I have Muslim friends.

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Dalthnock: It's very likely that I've talked with more trans people & other minorities than you have, and not just for the trophy claim. I mean real talks abou several issues, including & especially topics other than those pertaining to them.

They're real people with real opinions, you know? They don't need you to speak for them.

Also, please stop sexualizing children. This is exactly what I fear & you're doing it.
Wow. We've gone from an attempt on my part to try to appeal to your sense of empathy as a parent about transgenders and bathroom rights, to, in five lines, you -- someone who steadfastly clings to transphobia as a justification of denying transgender bathroom rights -- becoming the Crusading Social Justice Champion of Transgender and Minority Issues.

And the cherry on top is now *I'm* one of those sexual monsters who are sexualizing children!

Wow.
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Dalthnock: You seem to be attacking me personally. Why? Are you hoping to gain something from these laws?

When did I say it's ok for any adult to flash their junk to children? Why are you saying I did? What is YOUR agenda here?
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htown1980: The quote above was in response to a4plz's question " What rights do I have if little boys and girls start flashing me?"

My point is, you stated, and I quote: "I'm talking about "adults" flashing their junk to children of the opposite sex & getting away with it."

You're issue seems to be that you are concerned about men going into women's toilets and flashing girls. You expressly mention in the quote above, that you are concerned about adults flashing their junk to children of the opposite sex (my question initial question was, why are you not concerned about men flashing their junk to children of the same sex -a4plz' tongue i cheek question was what about children flashing adults).

Men have been able to go into men's toilets and flash little boys for decades, why are you not concerned about that? Why are you only concerned about men flashing girls?

Women have been able to go into women's toilets and flash little girls for decades, why are you not concerned about that? Why are you only concerned about women flashing boys?

A man can go into a playground or a school or a park and flash a girl there. What makes toilets so different?

I don't understand the logic of your complaint.
I have stated already that I also think it's wrong for grown men to shower with young boys, but there really is nothing I can do about that, not even rave & rant on the internet.

You don't understand, or you don't want to understand?
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rampancy: Wow. We've gone from an attempt on my part to try to appeal to your sense of empathy as a parent about transgenders and bathroom rights, to, in five lines, you -- someone who steadfastly clings to transphobia as a justification of denying transgender bathroom rights -- becoming the Crusading Social Justice Champion of Transgender and Minority Issues.

And the cherry on top is now *I'm* one of those sexual monsters who are sexualizing children!

Wow.
Look pal, I'm not crusading for anyone. I merely stated they can defend themselves without your help. YOU are the one speaking for them. And YOU are the one who said that children self-identify as people of the opposite sex.

How can you claim the latter without sexualising them?
Post edited May 22, 2016 by Dalthnock
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stryx: How about we put all children in special camps and don't let them out till they are 21 years old? Do you think we should put their mothers in those camps as well? Might be better...
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rampancy: Perhaps we would all feel safer with a crack volunteer squad of able-bodied men willing to police women's bathrooms and charge into them at the slightest suspicion that someone entering may not be a woman.
Haha, that's rich! So to prevent men from entering women's restrooms, we need men to enter women's restrooms.
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He just pulled the SJW card which means I'm done here.

You can't have a discussion with someone who thinks tossing out meaningless flame bait words qualifies as a viable argument. :P


BUT BEFORE I LEAVE, I'm going to let Ducky have the last word on this issue:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17dU___xcdA
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Leroux: What if some of the children turn to out to be pedophile?
As I understand it, children who were abused by paedophiles can become paedophiles themselves.

Others just suffer silently for the rest of their lives.
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Alaric.us: Are you a child? If not, why are you speaking on behalf of children?

Or maybe, just maybe, one doesn't have to be someone else to grasp the notion that abusing that someone else is bad?
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Dalthnock: Just in case you may have forgotten, we were all children once. We can all safely speak on their behalf.

As you noticed, some people are even saying that 7 year old girls identify as 7 year old boys.

But I'm sure that my fears that people will use this as an excuse to sexualise children are unfounded.
You are using children to make unfolded arguments and what not, just stop.

Take a deep breath and think about what you are typing.
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Leroux: What if some of the children turn to out to be pedophile?
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Dalthnock: As I understand it, children who were abused by paedophiles can become paedophiles themselves.

Others just suffer silently for the rest of their lives.
So... kinda like with vampires?

Where did the first pedophile come from?
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tinyE: He just pulled the SJW card which means I'm done here.

You can't have a discussion with someone who thinks tossing out meaningless flame bait words qualifies as a viable argument. :P
No please, tell us more how knowing the Earth is round allows you to speak for the minorities who never really asked you to do it.

It's fascinating.
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dtgreene: What if the little girl has a mental disability that prevents her from showering on her own, the girl's mother is busy or out of the picture, and the middle-aged man happens to be her father, who is taking care of her? (For purposes of this example, assume the father is not abusive.)
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Dalthnock: You mean A SPECIAL CASE?

Gee, that's not a pointless argument to deviate from the issue, or anything.

I will also assume the father will help the child bathe at home & not strip down & enter public showers with the little mentally disabled girl.

What's your point?
My point here is that restricting who can use a bathroom or similar space will have unexpected consequences, which is just another reason it's not a good idea.
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neurasthenya: You are using children to make unfolded arguments and what not, just stop.

Take a deep breath and think about what you are typing.
You're right. Once again, I should calm down.

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Alaric.us: So... kinda like with vampires?

Where did the first pedophile come from?
Ancient Greece, duh.

Unless you take into account mythical places, in which case I believe Sodom & Gomorra probably had a few.
Post edited May 22, 2016 by Dalthnock
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htown1980: The quote above was in response to a4plz's question " What rights do I have if little boys and girls start flashing me?"

My point is, you stated, and I quote: "I'm talking about "adults" flashing their junk to children of the opposite sex & getting away with it."

You're issue seems to be that you are concerned about men going into women's toilets and flashing girls. You expressly mention in the quote above, that you are concerned about adults flashing their junk to children of the opposite sex (my question initial question was, why are you not concerned about men flashing their junk to children of the same sex -a4plz' tongue i cheek question was what about children flashing adults).

Men have been able to go into men's toilets and flash little boys for decades, why are you not concerned about that? Why are you only concerned about men flashing girls?

Women have been able to go into women's toilets and flash little girls for decades, why are you not concerned about that? Why are you only concerned about women flashing boys?

A man can go into a playground or a school or a park and flash a girl there. What makes toilets so different?

I don't understand the logic of your complaint.
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Dalthnock: I have stated already that I also think it's wrong for grown men to shower with young boys, but there really is nothing I can do about that, not even rave & rant on the internet.

You don't understand, or you don't want to understand?
We're not talking about showering. We are talking about using a bathroom.

You claim to be concerned about men going to the toilet with girls because men can show girls their junk. Yet you don't seem to be concerned that men going to the toilet will boys will show boys their junk. Why are you not concerned about that?