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mechmouse: There is nothing in there about trans-gender
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Dalthnock: OF COURSE THERE ISN'T!

This isn't about transgenders, it's about the people who will take advantage of a law that will only benefit 0.3% of the population!

If this law is accepted in the rest of the US AND spreads through Europe & other places, there will be MANY MORE child abusers & rapists using the women's toilets than there will be trans people!

THAT is the problem! THAT is my concern!
This man would have attacked the girl regardless of a toilet law.

If found in a female toilet, he could not successfully argue that he was Trans.

The lack of a draconian law does not enable people like this.

In the UK we've had two cases where male-to-female prisoners have been kept in all male prisons and died because of this.

It is more likely a female-to-male trans that looks like your avatar will be forced to use a female toilet than it is for an abusive person to use the law to frequent toilets.
I should warn you all, there are consequences to trying to get creative while punishing these people, as is evidenced here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc
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wpegg: I should warn you all, there are consequences to trying to get creative while punishing these people, as is evidenced here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRRw1ERj2Gc
There's no need to get creative.

Scaphism all around should do the trick quite nicely.

Give 'em the boats!
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Dalthnock: paedophiles & rapists WILL take advantage of these laws
How many pedophiles and rapists are out there? Like, for every 10.000 people, how many are pedophiles or rapists? Do we ban knifes because psychopaths can use them to stab people like that singer in Japan who was stabbed by a fan this weekend? Do we ban cars because drunks can drive and kill people, which happens on a daily basis? Do we ban alcohol because it is associated with violent behavior? I mean, I could go on and on.

The law you are discussing does not mention pedophiles and rapists. It does not change in any way the legal status of rape or pedophilia. You are imagining this scenario where a criminal can take advantage of the law and ignoring the real issue which is a transgender's right to use the appropriate bathroom for the sex they identify as.
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samuraigaiden: Do we ban knifes?
Ever been to the UK?
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samuraigaiden: How many pedophiles and rapists are out there? Like, for every 10.000 people, how many are pedophiles or rapists? Do we ban knifes because psychopaths can use them to stab people like that singer in Japan who was stabbed by a fan this weekend? Do we ban cars because drunks can drive and kill people, which happens on a daily basis? Do we ban alcohol because it is associated with violent behavior? I mean, I could go on and on.

The law you are discussing does not mention pedophiles and rapists. It does not change in any way the legal status of rape or pedophilia. You are imagining this scenario where a criminal can take advantage of the law and ignoring the real issue which is a transgender's right to use the appropriate bathroom for the sex they identify as.
Well, if you ban alcohol, all hell breaks lose.

Yes, I am imagining that scenario. And it scares me. And that scenario, for me, is the real issue.

As for how many paedophiles & rapists are there? I don't know, neither do you or anyone else.

We can only know about the registered offenders, the ones that were caught in the act, or the ones whose victims managed to gather up enough courage to come forth.

And while I do not have any graph at hand, I'm pretty sure the number of registered sex offenders shot up quite a bit in the last twenty years, as a result of more widespread information & subsequently more victims coming forth, knowing they weren't alone.

You may believe this will not increase the number further... I disagree. If I'm wrong, fine. Nothing's lost. But what if *you* are wrong? Are you ok with it?

I honestly hope that it is *me* who is wrong by the way, if that's not clear enough.
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tinyE: For some reason I keep thinking of the scene in The Beastmaster where Rip Torn is chucking the kids into the fire.
As long as no ferrets are harmed, I'm cool.

Also, I don't think I was ever as happy to be away from this forum for a day as I am now seeing this thread :D
Post edited May 22, 2016 by Breja
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samuraigaiden: Do we ban knifes?
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WBGhiro: Ever been to the UK?
Yes. Didn't get stabbed, did use a knife to cut meat in the restaurant. Your point?
So, I read through most of this thread, and it caused an ever growing urge to contribute something.



*facepalm*
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CharlesGrey: So, I read through most of this thread, and it caused an ever growing urge to contribute something.

*facepalm*
It made me watch the whole thing, I suggest you do to. It's absolutely brilliiant, I believe it to be the best comedy of the last millenium.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcU7FaEEzNU
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Dalthnock: I have been saying all along that the problem is NOT trans people using the toilets of their choice. Please read MY posts, not the twisted replies to them.

I have been trying to separate trans people from this issue as much as I can - I DO NOT believe that they will do whatever to children.

I am merely stating that paedophiles & rapists WILL take advantage of these laws a whole lot more than anyone else.
No you clearly aren't, your title says otherwise when read in context with the content of the OP.
Again, even if you don't, your wording says you do.

Pedophiles will take advantage of anything. Count how many news about parents, clerics, neighbors, teachers, and what have you, abusing children.
This law means shit regarding child abuse, most of it is already happening in familiar places.
Not in f'cking public bathrooms where children shouldn't go unsupervised.
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samuraigaiden: Yes. Didn't get stabbed, did use a knife to cut meat in the restaurant. Your point?
Apparently they got a knife ban over there.
No jokes, just punchlines.

The lawyer yells "Fuck the children!"

And the priest says, "Do we have time?"
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Bathroom laws don't magically make it legal for men to go into women's bathrooms (or vice versa). They also don't magically make rape or sexual assault legal either.

And regardless of whether or not bathroom laws are passed, you still run the risk of being assaulted or harassed in a bathroom. Because let's face it, if someone really wants to do something like that, they will. According at least to statistics in Canada, the overwhelming majority of sexual assaults occur in the home, by friends and/or family.
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Dalthnock: We're sacrificing our young in the name of "tolerance".
No, you're sacrificing trans people (young and old) in the name of an illusory sense of "safety". You just don't want to admit it. In fact, why no go all the way and launch a campaign to bring back racially segregated bathrooms? After all, if you're letting black (or white) people into the same bathroom as you, you'd might as well roll out the red carpet for black (or white) men to come into our precious bathrooms to terrorize our children.
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Emob78: I thought you quit.
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tinyE: I can leave again if you want. :D
really,really,go ahead punk make my day.