ouch, i didnt know that, sorry to read that...
that is not okay, but i guess thats up to the ones who run that business to keep things safe.

I read that many more are installing cameras, even in our country some supermarkets seem to have them or want to install these, maybe these are for their own security, i am not sure of that, but i read it a long time ago in a
newspaper.

But now i come to think of it: it seems cams also need to be connected to a network aswell, and nowadays anyone seems to tap the networks (cause apparenlty the safity is like shit) allowing any intruder to see what the camera's see, i dont know, the last few years too many shit is hitting the fans, we heard bad news in the 80s but i must admit that the last decades things got out of hand and i am afraid it will ony get worse,

Fair enough, but my fear is that this is simply the first step on a much bigger agenda.

Remember, those who WERE THERE when something happened that drastically altered our way of life, didn't properly realise it until it had fully happened.

We're there, now. It's happening. Call me crazy, I don't mind. But if my rants & raves make something, anything, shift in the background that will stop this from happening without anyone ever realising, including me, I will gladly be pointed & jeered at for the rest of my life by everyone around me.

It will have been worth it.

There is nothing in there about trans-gender

I'm sorry.

This is the one issue that does get me bent out of shape. Children. I don't even like the little brats. But every time I read something that happened to a child, I need to take a couple of minutes to breathe, calm down & remind myself there was nothing I could do.

And the things I do read, including a judge releasing a father who admitted to abusing his daughter & scolding the mother for interfering, because the child was 13 already & children today - in the words of the judge - are sexually active much sooner.

Never mind the guy was the girl's father & she DID NOT consent. But the judge is obviously a paedophile, they're everywhere.

So yeah, children are my weak point. I tend to go blind with rage & start lashing out.

This isn't your fault. I apologise.
OF COURSE THERE ISN'T!

This isn't about transgenders, it's about the people who will take advantage of a law that will only benefit 0.3% of the population!

If this law is accepted in the rest of the US AND spreads through Europe & other places, there will be MANY MORE child abusers & rapists using the women's toilets than there will be trans people!

THAT is the problem! THAT is my concern!

welcome to the wonderful world of political correctness dictatorship

Do you know what the word empathy means? Have you ever just once tried to put yourself in someone else's place and say that maybe, just maybe their feelings are important too? That considering other people's feelings and their point of view might be a thing. That if a 7-year old girl is scared to shower with a 40-year old man who identifies as a woman and still has an erect penis next to the 7-year old girls face in the shower, that it might be a perspective worth listening to. And that listening to that 7-year old girl's concerns is NOT transphobia.

Unlike you I have empathy and I can see the case from both sides. Both kids AND transgender people should be respected and cared for. But your outright dismissal of the little girl's feelings is simply preposterous.

Anyone care to count how many times someone tried to move the topic away from children - which are the main point of this thread, stated quite explicitly in the first post - to something else entirely?

And that's what happens every single time someone tries to discuss this issue. And every time it happens, I get a little bit more scared.

Because either people have been conditioned to overlook the topic at hand & veer off on meaningless tangents that will make sure nothing ever leads anywhere OR, even more worryingly,

They do it on purpose because of a hidden, but not particularly hard to disclose agenda, if you take two seconds to think about it.

THIS!

I love you. Thank you!

And if you notice, dtgreene more or less exposed himself unwittingly on another post, when he mentioned that children should also have the right to drink, smoke, etc... emphasis on the etc.

He was also the first to try to deviate the topic, right on the first reply post.

Hmmm...

If someone was to ask me, I imagine I'd tell them that:

a) There is no need to treat children as a holy cow.
b) There is no need to come up with conspiracy theories.

Luckily, nobody is asking me.

Also, dtgreene. is an anagram of greed.net, which, though I have no evidence for it, is clearly a link to a darknet group.

Valid points.

However, if there's anything that should be regarded as holy, in my opinion, it should be children. You know, the ones who will continue & hopefully improve everything you've done up until now.

That is not to say they should be treated as small gods, however. I am a fierce proponent of tough love & building character. Make sure they're as ready as possible as soon as possible to be able to fend for themselves. But that's another topic.

As for the second, I can only hope I'm blowing this way out of proportion. But if anyone thinks that child molesters & rapists won't try to take advantage of these laws as much as they can, then I got a few plots of land on Mars to sell you.

The problem is with people abusing children we got it, but your wording is bloody awful, to say the least.

The problem isn't with gender, is people abusing children.

Priests, parents, teachers, babysitters, uncles, cousins, etc. All of those have already been found of committing child abuse.

But again, you wording make it so that trans people using bathrooms are perpetuating or facilitating child abuse. The correlation comes as fear mongering.

There's no political agenda to facilitate abuse of children, stop with this retarded assessment [i](
Also, quit accusing people, that's even more retarded. You babble about agendas and what not, and here you are funneling people into your conspiracy. Take out the tinfoil hat).[/i]


Public bathrooms are no room for children without parents period.
Pedophiles are scum.
Pretty sure people care about children rights, but they are busy spreading fear instead of education.

Can I start posting BrassEye clips yet?

I'm going to do it anyway :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEolSjlcqng

I have been saying all along that the problem is NOT trans people using the toilets of their choice. Please read MY posts, not the twisted replies to them.

I have been trying to separate trans people from this issue as much as I can - I DO NOT believe that they will do whatever to children.

I am merely stating that paedophiles & rapists WILL take advantage of these laws a whole lot more than anyone else.

I don't see a child as a more valuable human, nor do I believe that the interests of a child take priority over the interests of an adult. All members of society should be protected from harm. Not just children. When the interests of two people collide, there should not be an automatic judgement in favor of a child. Children should be offered the same consideration and the same protections as everyone else.

Regarding your last paragraph, I think you vastly overestimate the amount of child molesters and rapists in the world. You are making it sound as though they are literally hiding behind every bush, just waiting to pounce the moment you turn your head around. Yes, criminals and deviants like that certainly exist. But they pose substantially less danger than tired drivers.