Your math is a bit questionable here in relation to your conclusion, but I can only assume you are still feeling apoplectic about the recent dungeon crawler releases ;) In all seriousness, if what you say is true, 55% to 45% is a majority but not an overwhelming one. You could view it as "half the people like it, half the people don't" or "4 out of 10 people like it"; either way it's a bit of a stretch to say there is "nothing" redeemable, no? And on top of that, I'm not sure you are accounting that all the other reviews for the "newly renamed title" are discussing the relevant version instead of the old version (the same way that many reviews on GOG often are based upon other versions of games like the Scheme version, or an old CD version).

Seriously, 45% on Steam? That is bad!

You could leave out the "45%" part of that quote and it would ring even truer, if you ask me!

Your math is questionable...we've discussed this before...
An average game, half the Steam catalog gets over 80% positive "thumbs up". 45% positive is horrible!
And yes, all these reviews are from the supposedly "bug fixed" game! Because the original Raven's Cry was removed from Steam for review manipulation. All those 45% positive reviews are of Vendetta after the supposed bug fixes and re-release...

You will also notice that many of the Youtube videos mocking this game linked in this thread are of the "bug fixed" Vendetta too.

So anyone claiming the game "barely has bugs" and was fixed must be smoking something...

If you want proof that's the case, here's one of the reviews from the "Release date" November 22,2015...

"A lot of the 'playtime' was trying to get the game to play correctly, My computer meets all the maximum requirements to play. I have had several crashes occur when starting the game and it adds to 'time played' even though I didn't play 2.7 hours of the game. I gave it a fair chance to improve whilst I played and it didn't .

I didn't realise this was just the game 'Raven's Cry' under a different guise which I never bought due to the bad reviews and I can see why now. The game isn't what it made out to be and the controls are poor to say the least , you spend more time messing trying to get camera angles right to make certain turns, especially trying to get up stairs and facing opponents. The combat system in both land and sea are awful and slow. I don't get the 'Blur motion' aspect when you turn and it didn't seem to improve when I changed this in the options menu, why would that be a thing?

The game overall is very buggy and bad to play, I found that conversations were clippy and sometimes went silent even though other reviewers have not had a problem and music in taverns disappeared when you turned in certain directions. I have seen people fall through walls ... and beds xD. I expect it would have been better with more time and instead of just re-realising an already existing game , put this back into early access and improve it as although I am not happy to play it at the moment, I can see potential."

How about this one from November 26, 2015?
"Saying that they fixed anything in this pile of trash is straight up false advertising."

GOG don't want to deal with TopWare and they shouldn't, people should know by now that TopWare don't give a flying fuck about their playerbase on Steam and certainly not on GOG. These are the kind of idiots that never should have been taken onboard for Two Worlds series.

TopWare is a complete fucking travesty of a publisher. I hate them and never tire of ranting about them but i will also say that i wouldn't try to stop their games from coming here if people truly want them since it's their money and possible troubles to deal with but be careful what you wish for.

Have you even PLAYED it to verify?

(Also an aside: Why is it that the second someone bumps these threads you have to come back to mention how crap they are? Don't you have better things to do....like maybe watch GOG count their Wizardry/Elminage money that you said they'd hardly get? ;))

That's ONE review, and from DECEMBER.....got anything more recent?

That means 45% liked it or tolerated it, correct? Then it's not as bad as you seem to be claiming(otherwise the rate would likely be much lower).

Seriously, I don't get why you don't let people want/ask for what they will and not mind it so much......

And what did/do we keep telling you about averages on steam/magazines/etc? Such high averages does not mean anything below them is horrible.......IRL 50% is average(as in the middle of the road, so to speak), NOT 80%.

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I dunno for sure(not him), but he seems to think his stances and steam scores prove whether a game deserves to be here or not, and he likes to complain(and sometimes be a bit rude) towards those with different opinions and tastes.

Me? I am ok with almost ANY game coming here, and don't see why he bothers worrying what GOG sells or not if he won't buy it.


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The rest aside, THIS bolded bit is a good stance to have. :)

It's not my fault you seem not to understand what the word "average" means...
There are roughly 35,000 games on Steam...

The average game and over half of those 35,000 get 80%+ positive reviews. For a game to only get 45% positive it has to have serious issues. 45% is one of the lowest scores on all of Steam's 35,000 games. Have YOU watched any of the Youtube videos linked in this thread about all the various bugs and bad voice acting?

Of course NOT!

But here you go defending this turd of a game from a developer who got caught trying to positively review bomb their own game and failed because it has so many issues.

You can complain about 1 review, just read them yourself! 55% of the reviews tell you why this game is terrible. Watch the Youtube videos. Digital Homicide games were getting more than 45% positives. Bad Rats has 75% positives!

But you know what this game beats? Postal 3 and its 38% positives! Anyone remember the reviews for Rambo: The Video Game? 55% positive - better than this trash.

Let me ask this...back at you...for someone complaining about me posting why the heck are YOU posting about a game you have never played and only seem to care about because GoG rejected it?

I posted because someone was spreading misinformation lying about the bugs being fixed when they haven't.
Are only YOU supposed to be allowed to post your silly opinion? It's amazing how hypocritical and entitled some people seem to be....

And with the new refund policy, GoG would probably lose more in refunded transaction fees than people who decide to keep this overpriced and buggy game. You do know they are asking $29.99 for the regular edition and $34.99 for the "Deluxe" right? For a 5 year old game that is objectively seen as terrible.

Did I ever say that?

No, you are free to state your opinion...

... but you've done it over and over and over again... ad nauseum -- even becoming confrontational and combative more than once.

Don't worry... It is abundantly clear you don't like the game.

But there's no need to bully others who do.

Sorry, reply got borked so I had to do it this way:

1. By average I mean the average between a 100% rating and a 0% rating, NOT the average score given to most games here.

2. Why does it matter if others had problems? Does that mean I will as well because others did?

If someone has a "lemon" car or truck, does that mean everyone will?

3. I "defend" it because some like me might want to buy it ONLY on GOG, and don't(like you SEEM to) think my stances on a game should dictate if a game should be added here or not.

4. I will, but since most reviews are based on emotion or subjective things I will take them with a grain of salt, as would be expected.

5. Again, ratings are usually subjective.....hence cannot be fully be relied upon(just taken into consideration along with other factors/information).

And again, i'd rather people be able to play it(even if it's bad to some or has some bugs) than not....that is what I and others are partly trying to get at here.

6. I would like to be able to buy it here and for others to, as well.

I ALSO like the look/feel of it, so it's not just me wanting it because GOG rejected it(there are some games they rejected I likely dislike and others they accepted I likely dislike as well).

ALSO what about you? Why does it bother you what GOG brings here if it sells well and you don't have to play games you dislike?

7. Yes, but you did it in a non-neutral manner seemingly meant to dissuade them from wanting it......you could've just dropped the info/links saying "this game has bugs...etc etc"....there was no need to go all "doom and gloom" about the game when replying.

8.a. That likely wouldn't be the price(you were wrong on the prices for the other two games that GOG eventually accepted, among other things).

8.b. They have a manual approval based system set up to catch mass refunders and check refunds before allowing them.

If you take every game that ANYONE could possibly want that has a better rating, you are taking every bit of shovelware Steam has to offer.

You don't have a point.

I pointed out how a $30 game with the some of the worst reviews in the history of videogaming is a bad fit.

I've pointed out how a bunch of uninformed people like you and a couple other posters are trying to lie to people claiming this game had all its bugs fixed when Topware fixed a couple bugs, renamed the game 5 years ago and just abandoned it leaving the game in a horrible state.

Playing word games with "average" is a silly and dishonest argument. It's as dumb an argument as saying that since baseball players bat less than .500 (all of them) must suck.

It's the same handful of people crying about this overpriced and hilariously buggy game being rejected...

GoG's new refund policy might bankrupt them with this title as they eat hundreds of transaction fees refunding all the people that are getting lied to about the playable state of this game if they were to add it to their catalog.

You are trying to associate me wanting this ONE game with asking for them all.....that isn't what I want or am asking for.

I heartily disagree.

Again, it'd likely not be sold for $30(as shown by the other two games you incorrectly surmised would be sold at high price points and/or not sell well).

I never said all he bugs had been fixed or inferred such(or tried to do so, anyways).

That's not silly or dishonest.....that's often what average means.....NOT the average steam score given to most games, but the middle of the road score one can get for ANY game(in this case, 50%).

Again, it's a few of us and we're not trying to bother anyone too much....why does it bother you so much? Don't you have better things to do than try to be the unoffical GOG curation staffer?

I don't buy it...especially from the same user(you) who said Elminage and Wizardry would be sold for much more and wouldn't sell well.....i..e. your opinion(to me) is as reliable as trusting the boy who cried wolf after he had done so a few times.

Go to Steam. Look at the prices the games are being sold for. Screw you for calling me a liar, you are the one being a jerk here. Learn to Google!

Furthermore, Elminage Original is NOT here on GoG! You can't even get your facts straight and don't seem to know anything at all about these games you are arguing about. Not surprising... And I said nothing about it's price. I did say the fact it had only 33 (now - probably less then) total reviews in over 2 years was a bad sign for potential sales here and is likely the reason it is not here.

As to Wizardry, you seem to think this game with its 2.5 stars on GoG is some sort of great success...
It's here. It was a first day release. Hopefully enough people bought it that it made GoG enough money, but now it sits in the catalog as the new equivalent of Master of Orion 3 or Gothic 3: Forsaken Gods, Ultima 9 or Jagged Alliance: Rage. $14.99 for a 10-year old game that wasn't well received...I mean...it has Wizardry in its name...it's here to be part of the series and that's about it. I think I'd have nearly 100% agreement that what really needs to get here are Wizardry 1-5. Real classics and truly nostalgic Wizardry.

But Vendetta would not be coming here as part of a series. Is still buggy as heck. Has laughably bad voice acting and is currently severely overpriced especially for a horribly received 5 year old game. It's not surprising at all why GoG has not confidence in it. Despite 168 reviews 45% means only 75-76 of those are positive! Not a good sign at all...

What would happen to GoG if 55% of those who buy the game were to refund it because of how bad it is?

An added bit of preface: It seems you might be taking this a bit personally(like me when reading some of your posts sometimes in such threads).....please know that I am just trying to debate this civilly as a fellow user who just wants more games for all to come here & I am not trying to be underhanded/sneaky/etc by doing so.....I just want to talk about the game and maybe see it come here for people to buy: That's about it.

And yeah, I can tell you love the site/store/forums and want the best for them, but you should know that I also want the same as well....I just also want more choice for all, even if I or you or anyone else dislikes the games being discussed.....all that should matter is people getting more choice and GOG making money, correct?

That said, I will reply to any more replies you make, but I ask you to please think before replying and try to keep an open mind & try to see things from the other side's POV...i.e. mull it about a bit mentally and think if a persons stances have merit before casting them aside due to thinking the other person is dumb/etc, and then reply, and try not to take what is said(unless you know for certain something is) as an insult as most of the time it is not meant as such.

Have a good one

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I meant that you seemed to be inferring/saying that Vendetta would be sold for 30 dollars or so if it was SOLD HERE.

You did the same thing with the other two games you said shouldn't be sold here, both of which were sold below what you claimed/said they would be if they were sold here......so you saying this game(if GOG sold it) would be 30 dollars(or so) and that that is a reason it shouldn't be sold here is not a very solid or believable argument.

If I mixed this one up(with the other ones where you DID say GOG/devs would sell it for much more money), then I apologize for that, but you DID say it wouldn't sell well.....and it clearly did.

It still sold well enough, though, and THAT is what should matter...not whether you or I like it or not, but whether it will sell well and make GOG money/help the site & company flourish/grow.

I agree they should be here, but I also think ANY game that will sell well and people might like or want to play should he here, even if one of us(even me) doesn't like the game in question.

You say it's overpriced ONCE AGAIN.....what does it being overpriced on ANOTHER STORE have anything to do with it's possible price if sold here? Or do you think they won't sell it for less here like the other devs did with Elminage and Wizardry?

Also as said before, I take your stances on games not selling well with(understandably) a grain of salt after you were proven wrong twice(on games that were rejected coming here & selling well or not, and on the one game how much GOG/devs would sell it here for).

This is not to say I distrust you completely, just that your stances on these/those games & your upholding of steam/etc data(and how it might impact GOG sales) over other data/etc seems to adversely influence how you think a game will be received here, so it's harder to take you seriously on some things you say on such.

Depends on how much it would cost to bring it here/support it/sell it.....if they made a net profit then it'd still be a win, even if 55% refunded it.

GameRager WAKE UP!!!!
Games are sold for the same price generally on all platforms, so if a game is selling for $30 on Steam, if it comes here right now, that's its price. So when people are complaining the game isn't here, they are complaining that Vendetta isn't here at a $30 price tag.

Do you understand economics at all?

And where are you pulling these numbers from where the great GameRager claims what is and isn't selling well? You don't have the numbers. You have no idea how many copies sold. So quit pretending you have any idea. We don't know if these games really sold well. What we do know is that GoG as a company has been having a hard time turning a profit lately.

Bad arguments are bad arguments and that seems to be all that you type...