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General discussionLet's bring Vendetta - Curse of Raven's Cry here!(279 posts)(279 posts)
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Posted December 05, 2019
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RWarehall: Just as GameRager finds a game GoG accepted years later presumably with bug fixes already in place, aka Gold Edition which was the #1 complaint in the reviews on it's release...
I actually love the game and was just using it as an example of your flawed reasoning and logic.....or did you not get that?

Also you said it: Games CAN be fixed...so who's to say this one wouldn't or couldn't be?

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RWarehall: To accepting a game with a much worse review score and a lot fewer reviews where the bugs have never been fixed and no sign they have any hope to do so...
Why does the thought of it or some other games coming here seem to bother you so much?

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RWarehall: Scouring the catalog for poorly performing games and trying to use that as an excuse why GoG should accept another bad game is just plain dumb...
It punched a hole in your logic and reasoning, to which your only reply was to mock it and toss it aside....you have no point here, you just want to get attention and insult people's tastes.
Posted December 05, 2019
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GameRager: silly bravado once again falsely believing he made a decent point
Seriously, you should just hang it up...what "hole did you punch"? You think way too highly of your weak grasps at logic and reasoning...

You make bad comparisons, to some of the weaker titles on GoG in your vain attempt to make any semblance of anything resembling a decent argument in favor of this game you've admitted not playing.

1) This game hasn't been fixed.
2) I've seen no news there are any plans for it to be fixed.

Arguing what if and what could be done is silly...

Right now, this is a wishlist for a game asking GoG to bring the game here as it is, not some future alternate reality where Elon Musk takes sympathy on the developer and throws a bunch of money into it to fix all its problems...

It's funny you try to claim I have "no point" when my point is VERY OBVIOUS. You, like so many others are cherry-picking bad titles already accepted and trying to argue that as an excuse to take in another game that is only "slightly" worse than the worst game already here. And where does it end? Or should GoG just accept everything submitted because there are probably 30,000 games on Steam with better review scores and review metrics...
Posted December 05, 2019
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Fonzie wants to talk, guys/gals....let's see what he has to say to the naughty people itt(Pic related)
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Duke Nukem also has some nice words for all the bad men and women that may be here today-tonight
(Note to others: Don't play around the kiddos/at work....duke is a potty mouth...especially around 40 seconds or so)
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Post edited December 05, 2019 by GameRager
Posted December 05, 2019
Okay, this thread getting to page 9 got me to look at Vendetta - Curse of Raven's Cry. With two different people campaigning for it I was a bit skeptical of how bad RWarehall was describing it. But he is right - it really is that bad. I can't really think that an actually good game will have 'positive' reviews like "It's okay. Everything feels kind of clunky, but it works. 7/10" (Actual text of a recent Steam user review.)

I am a fan of the Just Cause games but I did not get JC4 at release due to the volume of negative reviews. 52% of all Steam reviews are positive, similar to 45% for Vendetta. But there is a massive difference when looking at recent reviews - JC4 shoots up to 79% but Vendetta is maybe 55% at best just eyeballing the list of recent reviews (Steam does not have a recent reviews number for Vendetta on the store page). This tells me that the devs for JC4 wanted to fix and improve things and eventually succeeded but for Vendetta the devs wont fix it.

Molek-Syntez was mentioned earlier in the thread. Why Molek-Syntez was accepted is fairly obvious in my opinion. First, Zachtronics has proven themselves to be a top developer in the puzzle game genre - GOG's Opus Magnum rejection and later acceptance was covered by nearly every video game news outlet, which shows just how big Zachtronics' niche really is. Vendetta has nowhere near the recognition or coverage that Zachtronics gets. Second is how well put together Molek-Syntez is. Since working on Infinifactory, Zachtronics has had a cycle of building internally to get a solid release candidate and then using an Early Access release to get player eyeballs on their games and then fix and patch bugs until the final game is well polished. Vendetta seems to be the opposite of this with numerous unfixed bugs even to this day. Listing Molek-Syntez was an obvious move for GOG, it is a new game well within its peak sales period from a well known developer who is known for making solid games.

So why should GOG, who is well known for its pickiness in game offerings, offer a game that is well past its peak sales period? Why should GOG list a game riddled with bugs that its D-list developer has no motivation to address?
Posted December 05, 2019
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b_smith_81: Okay, this thread getting to page 9 got me to look at Vendetta - Curse of Raven's Cry. With two different people campaigning for it I was a bit skeptical of how bad RWarehall was describing it. But he is right - it really is that bad. I can't really think that an actually good game will have 'positive' reviews like "It's okay. Everything feels kind of clunky, but it works. 7/10" (Actual text of a recent Steam user review.)
That is one user review......also it doesn't say the game sucks/is bad. Also if that user and others didn't refund it then the steam still made a sale in the end....and that's what gog should focus on, not likes and dislikes, but how many buy & don't refund a game.

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b_smith_81: This tells me that the devs for JC4 wanted to fix and improve things and eventually succeeded but for Vendetta the devs wont fix it.
You can't say 100% for certain they won't fix it...especially if money is on the line...and even so, if the bugs don't prevent the game from being played/beaten the bugs don't matter as much.

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b_smith_81: Molek-Syntez was mentioned earlier in the thread. Why Molek-Syntez was accepted is fairly obvious in my opinion. First, Zachtronics has proven themselves to be a top developer in the puzzle game genre - GOG's Opus Magnum rejection and later acceptance was covered by nearly every video game news outlet, which shows just how big Zachtronics' niche really is.
The biggest n*che game is still likely somewhat less popular than the more popular genres.

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b_smith_81: Vendetta has nowhere near the recognition or coverage that Zachtronics gets. Second is how well put together Molek-Syntez is. Since working on Infinifactory, Zachtronics has had a cycle of building internally to get a solid release candidate and then using an Early Access release to get player eyeballs on their games and then fix and patch bugs until the final game is well polished. Vendetta seems to be the opposite of this with numerous unfixed bugs even to this day. Listing Molek-Syntez was an obvious move for GOG, it is a new game well within its peak sales period from a well known developer who is known for making solid games.
Again, we don't know if the game game here that it wouldn't be fixed....it could go either way....and if those bugs don't stop one from beating the game(as said above) they don't matter as much, then.

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b_smith_81: So why should GOG, who is well known for its pickiness in game offerings, offer a game that is well past its peak sales period?
Because money, that's why....unless gog has mounds of hidden cash we don't know about just lying around. Also it's likely only past it's peak on steam...many here dislike steam and won't buy there at any price, but would gladly buy games once they dropped here.

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b_smith_81: Why should GOG list a game riddled with bugs that its D-list developer has no motivation to address?
Again.....money....if they got the dev to fix the bugs it could likely net gog some extra cash to bolster their profit margins.
Post edited December 05, 2019 by GameRager
Posted December 05, 2019
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The OP enjoys Vendetta and wishes GOG could revisit their decision on the game.

Does the OP really have to defend that position?

He's not demanding GOG reverse course and start selling the game. He's simply asking... in a civil manner no less... and enthusiastic about the title.

Why does he need to be shouted down? What does that even accomplish?

(May you never express an interest in a game that others think is a waste of time)

GOG is going to do whatever it feels is in its best interest. Period.

There's no need to cite graphs and curves and sales numbers and percentages and... ugh.

Vendetta is a pirate action RPG -- of which there are relatively few -- and some of us have wanted to play it for quite awhile. Some of us also don't like to spend money on Steam... we prefer GOG.

Does the game have issues? Yes, it is a prime example of jank... alongside Reality Pump's other offerings (which are already on GOG) Would Vendetta ever be a "hit" on GOG? No... but there is some real interest here. Is every game on GOG a hit? Certainly not. Does the game work enough to be on GOG? Some who have played the re-release claim "yes." Are some games already on GOG broken to the point of being almost unplayable? Yes, there are a few here already. So...

In the end -- as I said -- GOG will make any determination.

I am sorry some feel so angered by even the thought of someone expressing interest in the game that they have to spend multiple posts spewing in order to discredit both the OP and the title.

I hate those Barbie horse games and think they're trash, but would I ever attack someone posting a thread like this to them? No.

Who am I to attack them or their enjoyed games? Who am I to try and stop GOG from deciding to sell them (or not)?

Why would any of it matter to me?
Posted December 05, 2019
Please, let's not forget that none of us in this topic is an employee of GOG (except LexRust :D) or Reality Pump / TopWare Interactive.

None of us can know for sure which game will or will not be released on GOG. No point of view in this topic is absolute truth, so there is no reason to react so sharply to the fact that opinions may differ.

You can love this game or hate it, but the truth is that the last word is for GOG anyway.

Oh, and I want to ask you to remain polite to each other. Once again.
Posted December 05, 2019
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GameRager: You can't say 100% for certain they won't fix it...especially if money is on the line...and even so, if the bugs don't prevent the game from being played/beaten the bugs don't matter as much.
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Again, we don't know if the game game here that it wouldn't be fixed....it could go either way....and if those bugs don't stop one from beating the game(as said above) they don't matter as much, then.
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Again.....money....if they got the dev to fix the bugs it could likely net gog some extra cash to bolster their profit margins.
That is a lot of 'IF's about whether the devs will fix anything. Asking if a four year old game will get bugfixes it needed four years ago tells me that the devs will not fix anything. They are done with Vendetta and are just letting it be out there to get the occasional sale on the long tail. That is the exact sort of thing that GOG needs to avoid.
Posted December 05, 2019
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b_smith_81: *snip*
While I personally doubt that the dev will fix anything anymore as TopWare has financial difficulties after all.

Pretty sure that you could change parts of this game as a sort of "unofficial patch" but I don't know to what degree that may be possible. There isn't any modding community for this game after all, theres only just some interest about it online. However, according to some people, you can complete the game but some quests are still bugged even after big patching that happened 2 years or so ago.

The game would definatly benefit tremendously if the publisher/devs would just release some of the code for the community to play around with. Some people may not like it but thats how its done quite often (Gothic 3 is terrible but modded I consider it to be as good or even better than the first two Fallouts, goes to show what sort of miracles the community is able to perform). Any of this is especially true for RPGs such as these. Give it to the community and they produce quite the masterpiece, its too bad that contracts aren't really open-ended if something fails hard. I read that the development of Vendetta has seen a lot of huge issues as well. Its unfortunate that some games have to be released in such a broken state.
Posted December 05, 2019
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OHMYGODJCABOMB: Oh, and I want to ask you to remain polite to each other. Once again.
I will do my best, OP.....though with how some others replied I cannot promise I will always be able to follow that 100%.
(I will still try my hardest, though)
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First off, thanks for replying civilly and politely(person replied to below this line I mean)...it is appreciated compared to other replies we had earlier. That said:

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b_smith_81: That is a lot of 'IF's about whether the devs will fix anything.
Other games that needed such fixes DID get them when they came to gog, though......heck, it was mostly gog's work(or they found them online), but MANY of the originally added games here(older games) had just that done to them to get them to run on new OSs/systems, and would often not work on some of those OSs/systems before that.

Of course this was mostly due to incompatibilities and less due to other types of bugs, but still the point remains, and as I said when money is on the table you'd be surprised what people will do.

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b_smith_81: Asking if a four year old game will get bugfixes it needed four years ago tells me that the devs will not fix anything.
Yes, but again we aren't for certain on this(either of us). Also(again) are the bugs so bad they keep the game from being played and beaten for most/all? If not then it could still be sold as is to those that can play it at the very least.

(Some titles here will not play on some OSs due to bugs[older games mostly] and gog sells them anyways)

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b_smith_81: They are done with Vendetta and are just letting it be out there to get the occasional sale on the long tail. That is the exact sort of thing that GOG needs to avoid.
Why should it avoid it if it can make some sales? As long as the major bugs are gone(and current ones are fixed or don't affect playing it/beating it for most) and a proper price point is set Gog could stand to make a nice little profit here I think.

Or(as I also said before) is GOG swimming in a bin full of cash that it can afford to reject games willy nilly like this for much longer? Eventually that cdpr influx of cash will dry up as the company produces less of its own games....so gog either needs to be less select about some games coming here, trim the fat somehow, or figure out how to draw more customers here away from steam/epic(fat chance on that, imo).
Post edited December 05, 2019 by GameRager
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Dray2k: Pretty sure that you could change parts of this game as a sort of "unofficial patch" but I don't know to what degree that may be possible. There isn't any modding community for this game after all, theres only just some interest about it online. However, according to some people, you can complete the game but some quests are still bugged even after big patching that happened 2 years or so ago.
THIS is what I was looking for.....so it seems one CAN beat the game(just not all quests) even with bugs.
Post edited December 05, 2019 by GameRager
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RWarehall: As to your silly idea that the GoG Wishlist is a good data point...GoG has said in the past how they notice when the forums are artificially brigading it. This title sat with zero interest for 5 years and suddenly because one person finds out it was rejected in the past, it's now somehow the best thing since sliced bread and belongs here...
You are disregarding the fact that without a DRM-free release, this game is essentially unknown to many of us here. Want to know how I learned of it...this very topic! The fact that it was around for 5 years on a DRMed storefront means NOTHING to those of us who do not keep up with releases or news for that/other storefronts. For all intents and purposes, it might as well have been released 10 years ago or 5 weeks ago, it would be just as unknown to me. Once I did learn of this game, I was able to develop interest. Just like a couple others in this topic were able to look into it and develop disinterest/concern about the quality.

Please stop calling it "brigading" any time someone makes others aware of a game that you personally don't like. It is not "brigading" when a user learns of a game through a topic like this and makes an independent choice afterward to vote for it on the wishlist.
Posted December 06, 2019
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rjbuffchix: Please stop calling it "brigading" any time someone makes others aware of a game that you personally don't like. It is not "brigading" when a user learns of a game through a topic like this and makes an independent choice afterward to vote for it on the wishlist.
What else should it be called? Many of the same people who post in this thread, attack any new release they don't like trying to imply it's more "niche" than these other titles. Games like MOLEK-SYNTEZ from Zachtronics was "brigaded" by many of the same people. I use the word because it's appropriate.

I hear the same bad and tired arguments "but it's an RPG so it can't be niche". So if someone makes a Unity clone with stock assets of a popular genre, that should guarantee great sales? Quality doesn't matter for sales potential?

Just about every time someone finds out GoG rejected a game, regardless of its quality, someone starts one of these threads. Every time there is a new release that's even potentially on the edge, they complain about GoG curation (often referencing rejected games that are clearly less popular).

And frankly, what is the point of this thread again? Oh right, for GoG to reverse their decision on Vendetta...

Brigading is the right word for it. Weekly threads complaining about rejections. New release threads filled with complaints about curation...
Posted December 06, 2019
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RWarehall: Brigading is the right word for it. Weekly threads complaining about rejections. New release threads filled with complaints about curation...
The OP was not complaining about GOG's curation.
Posted December 06, 2019
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RWarehall: Brigading is the right word for it. Weekly threads complaining about rejections. New release threads filled with complaints about curation...
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kai2: The OP was not complaining about GOG's curation.
Was the OP asking GoG to reverse his decision yes or no?

The OP's quotes from other threads speak volumes...
"This game is a pretty decent action-RPG (don't let those outdated reviews fool you), which is definitely not worse than Leo the Lion or any other recent "definitely not too niche" release."

Or some of the other adamant defenders attacking new releases like Molek-Syntez...

rjbuffchix
"Maybe I am underestimating the amount of chemist-gamer hybrids, but doesn't this description read as being "too niche"?"

GameRager
"You don't get the "great minds" at gog......it's so niche that it's un niche and thus not niche at all. o.0
I mean why have an RPG that might sell a few thousand copies when you can have this and sell...*dr evil finger wag*....dozens?"

For someone following me around to these various threads, one might think you actually read other threads in this forum...but of course you couldn't possibly be lying and feigning ignorance about the rampant brigading now, can you?
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