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You using mainly steam reviews and scores, which don't do a 1:1 when compared to the gog user base.

All from steam, thus essentially one data point and partially irrelevant when it comes to the gog user base.

So? You could find videos of people mocking almost anything...that proves almost nothing.
(Also those mocking it likely also have to buy a copy of the game to be able to do so, thus still making a sale for the game)

Mostly irrelevant if they fix them, and they likely don't apply for every user(although feel free to show me proof they do affect every user or most users...if you have such data I would like to see and peruse it).

This one has been discounted......if gog sells it it likely won't be for that price point, but a lower one.
(Now if they DID do so then you'd have a point here)

You are the one strawmanning with one set of data points and your own tastes to paint a simplistic picture of how it might be received here.

Also that other user likely meant that things that are disliked or not liked so well could become the classic of tomorrow...we never know.
(I am talking in general, NOT on this game in particular)

It is for some games, it would seem. Also if gog has supposedly noticed such why haven't they shut it down then? And why do they tout fulfilling wishes every so often? Hmm?

That is a tad hyperbolic, also why does it bother you so much? What do you stand to gain or lose if it came here, that you complain about people wanting it here every so often?

Look, I have seen how you are able to analyze posts in other threads...so I KNOW you don't miss stuff on purpose when reading for intent....that said it would seem you are intentionally misreading people's posts and misframing them to support a weak argument.

(Awaiting the inevitable reply which says essentially "you guys are crazy/dumb...steam data proves this game is crap" and ignores all points made by those here)

How many bad arguments are you going to continue to repeat? You have no clue about any of this...
The dev for Defender's Quest once extolled the virtues of GoG because his game "sold well" here. By sold well, it had about 15% of the sales of Steam. Another developer talked about how GoG sales were poor, GoG was only 5% the sales of Steam. Multiple devs in between, GoG sales at the time were roughly 10% of Steam sales.

Yet you are acting as if some broken, buggy 5 year old game is going to sell well here because GoG gamers, characterized seemingly by people who complain about GoG daily, are supposedly the core user base. Hang it up. I've watched you act like a jerk in release threads calling every new game "niche" even though their # of reviews are greater than this turd of a game within a week...you are clearly clueless on what a niche genre is.

Type in Vendetta or Raven's Cry in YouTube. Just do it. Just about every video is mocking the game talking about how bad it is. But here you go foolishly accusing me of cherry-picking videos to claim that. You are just being completely dishonest.

You seem to be deluded into thinking GoG can make the developer heavily discount the game. They can't. It doesn't work that way. It costs even more on Fnatical last I checked, they wanted $49.99. How many bad arguments after bad arguments are you going to make?

You don't know the meaning of strawmanning, you don't understand logic nor reasoning, just another silly post trying to poke holes and failing miserably at it. As usual...

Pic related is what I wanna do(to myself) when you post here as of late.
(Yes, i'd feel less pain running into a brick wall than reading your repetitive/poor attempts at debate.

I mean why should anyone bother debating you on the topic if you're going to [figuratively] crumple the replies up, light em on fire, and then whizz on the ashes while sticking your fingers in your ears?)

There's nothing to debate with someone using the same disingenuous arguments that have been debunked repeatedly. They have no merit because they are bad arguments. Dumb arguments like Steam sales are not perfectly 1:1 to GoG...but they are 5% to 20% in comparison according to many devs. Just because its not a perfect relationship doesn't mean Steam sales should be completely ignored. What a silly argument.

Or how you have nothing to say about the multiple reported game crashes every 5 minutes making the game unplayable for some...or really any factual statement I make, you refuse to offer any facts at all, only poor excuses.

And the nerve of you talking about "honest debate"...as if you have a clue what that even means...

You don't have good counterpoints...
I just gave a perfect example last post about how bad the argument about 1:1 comparisons are in your vain attempt to completely dismiss the data. A child can tell that a game with a 45% positive rating and under 200 reviews over 5 years is not going to sell as many copies on GoG as a game with 80%+ positives and 10,000 reviews in a single year, yet you claim these bad arguments are "good counterpoints".

You respond and provide detail to absolutely nothing...
I've provided analysis and real explanation...you provide the same gibberish about all these "great points" you think you are making that are just meaningless fluff and everyone can see it...

Saying something doesn't make it so....that is basic debate 101.

I didn't completely dismiss the data...so either you are misreading or are lying....which is it?

Some counterpoints: 1. Those are steam reviews, and don't match 1:1 or close to 1:1 the gog user base(what they like people here might dislike and vice versa) 2. Likes or dislikes don't matter to gog's bottom line nearly as much as copies sold and not refunded.

Also did/do you even read what I wrote/write? Or are you just skimming it all? Please read each bit carefully, and try to formulate a proper counter to it instead of just tossing them aside.

Hyperbolic much?

More hyperbole near the end, and also your analysis is to point at steam sales and numbers and say "this prove me right"...that proves nothing except you seemingly seem to think that's how one proves things(point at data and say one is right).
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Question: As these threads usually have little rate of success why do you bother trying to dissuade them so much or counter them so much? Surely you have better things to do with your time(like your lists for sales and such)? Why not just let us and the others who make such make such in peace and you do whatever else it is that you do?

I mean, it seems you don't want to be convinced to our pov and you cannot convince many here of yours, so what is there left to try and do or say?
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Proof that you don't really did read what I wrote or to the very least didn't understood my point.

The point I was making was simply that people (for instance, some critics did find it really that good back when it came out) didn't thought of 2001: ASO as a good movie at all, and that is considering objective quantities of the movie (read what I wrote prior). From the text it was considered a convoluted and contrived waste of time. From this you can derive logically that times and opinions may change over time regardless of what you're getting any sort of data from (as simple as say a single number at least). This is what you've implied already by calling the movie a classic (as percepted by you because you know this movie is well liked), or otherwise you wouldn't have jumped to that conclusion.

This is what I found even after 10 seconds of google search so you know I'm not making a strawman. The article is also more of a summery what was going on in 1968 with the people and the movie :).

Anyway, if we consider the set of datapoints that is the Steamscore (still just two numbers) and the Steamstats (while you can derive a couple of tangible data from this, read what I wrote prior to understand that it meaningless data if you're working for a company like GOG, because it only gives data that is important by the time people talked about the game in a less-than-favorable fashion, just like the way people talked about 2001 in a less-than-favorable fashion. And again, I'm not implying that Vendetta may be as good as 2001: ASO, but I'm making more of a statement regarding data and Zeitgeist/context here as if isn't already obvious enough. I can see that people may misunderstand my post though or take something the wrong way and thats fine since I don't really want to argue.

At any case I think that we're both ill equiped to talk about the game as we both didn't play it and thus we don't share the experience someone who've played the game has (like those youtubers you've mentioned, a lot of them seem neutral to the game and are also gameplay videos, with lots of comments don't really talk trash about the game while some also seem quite positive). We may both be strawmanning the devils advocate we see in each other already however :)!

Of course you are cherry-picking...2001: A Space Odyssey was the #1 grossing North American movie of 1968 and you are comparing it to Vendetta acting as if everyone hated it in 1968. I don't know where you get your misinformation...

Of course one can find critics who didn't like the dystopian theme for the future, but that's a far cry from acting as if people hated it when it came out and just aged well...

There is this thing called "facts"...

You gonna give us some then, chief?

Here's a good example proving your "scores and reviews matter" examples don't always hold water:

More proof, the only thing you can do is poke holes and complain about other games accepted here...you have no real arguments.

You post one single review score and act like all reviews were like that...
Despite this, an old game...debuting 6 years later...both games appearing on Steam around the same time.
76% positive from 264 reviews (~201 positive reviews total) vs.
45% positive from 165 reviews (~74 positive reviews total)

And at the end of the day, what does the possible failure of Venetica have anything to do whether Vendetta would be profitable? If it's not, does that mean GoG needs to accept a game about 1/3 as popular? And more unpopular?

At least you acknowledged that you're not saying the truth by using quotes and the term facts together. While it was the highest grossing movie in the US, it didn't broke even because it was highly intruiging and the budget was enormous. And thats by using the same source you've pulled the "highest grossing film of" data from, which is obviously the wikipedia article. If you read any further then you woul've read that, and I quote "Further re-releases followed in 1977, 2001, 2013 and 2017 in the United States, for a cumulative gross of over $60 million."

I hold no ill will for your ignorance however as we all do mistakes. It doesn't hurt to point it out, though.

I was using it as an example to show the problems with your logic and points, or did you not get that?

If one changed the words "other games accepted here" above to "games people want here on gog that were rejected" it could then apply to you.

And you point to 2 data sets(steam data and SOME YT reviews) and act like all were the same as well, or that the game won't sell HERE based on that reasoning & said data.

It proves that steam scores don't necessarily mean as much as you seem to think when trying to figure out how many copies a game will sell on gog, for starters.

The nerve of YOU calling me ignorant!!!!!
You are the fool trying to compare the top film of 1968 to Vendetta. Everyone went to see 2001 the movie. People have talked about how bad Vendetta is for 5 years...

It's truly amazing the arguments you and GameRager pull out of your behinds.

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Just as GameRager finds a game GoG accepted years later presumably with bug fixes already in place, aka Gold Edition which was the #1 complaint in the reviews on it's release...

To accepting a game with a much worse review score and a lot fewer reviews where the bugs have never been fixed and no sign they have any hope to do so...

Scouring the catalog for poorly performing games and trying to use that as an excuse why GoG should accept another bad game is just plain dumb...