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skeletonbow: I think I'd rather put on a pirate hat and a patch over my eye and play The Witcher 3 while saying "Arrrr!' and "Avast!" a lot personally, but that's just me. :)
Sounds ok....the game is obviously not the best(for the "connoisseurs") or made for everyone. :)

Now let's all put on 2 eye patches and be blindbeard the pirate....*runs into wall*
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skeletonbow: Seems more like a game that we'd be much more likely to never see GOG bring here to be honest.
Like I said above, hope always dies last! (:

At least I'm glad that more people now know about this game, and maybe someday they will try it out.

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skeletonbow: What surprised me is that they made new trailers for Vendetta that aren't nearly as impressive looking as the original Raven's Cry trailer was. I was also surprised that the high AAA pricetag they put on it they never lowered down and it never seemed to go on sale either. I kept wondering with all the bad reviews and ratings and high price tag, who would actually buy such a thing unless it was in a cheap Humble Bundle or something?

I think I'd rather put on a pirate hat and a patch over my eye and play The Witcher 3 while saying "Arrrr!' and "Avast!" a lot personally, but that's just me. :)
Yeah, I agree that they could lower the price a bit. After all, not everyone loves so-called "eurojank" (games like Gothic, Risen, Two Worlds, STALKER, etc.), like many players from Russia/CIS and Eastern Europe do, so the high price tag can scare away players from other "regions". For example, Two Worlds II costs 10 bucks on Steam (can't say how much it costs on GOG because of regional pricing), and it seems that everyone is okay with that. I think that 15 bucks for some kind of "definitive" edition (including deluxe content) is a pretty reasonable price tag. And maybe some good discount on release, as it was with the games from Spiders, for example (Mars: War Logs, Technomancer, etc.).

The game often gets discounts on Steam, by the way. Even now it's on sale.
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RWarehall: ... crashing on many systems ...
General quality of the game aside - I would maybe take a look if it came here - this point is probably a death sentence for a GOG release, because GOG actually support the games they sell, and will (have to) give people back their money after support fails to get it running. That's pretty money consuming for GOG (support isn't cheap, all the processing of game returns is AFAIK done manually also...).

They already take a risk with all the in-dev, coming-soon and day-1 titles where they can't know (just guess from previous track records) if a game will be a heavy load on support. They know what they're getting into with releasing the fixed oldies because they to the fixing themselves. I could well imagine that they hold back a few old (but not very prestigious) games they acquired the licenses for because they can't get them to run reliably enough - they would lose more money in support than earning in sales.
So a mediocre game which is known to make troubles on many people's machines? Think they'll pass.
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toxicTom: General quality of the game aside - I would maybe take a look if it came here - this point is probably a death sentence for a GOG release, because GOG actually support the games they sell, and will (have to) give people back their money after support fails to get it running. That's pretty money consuming for GOG (support isn't cheap, all the processing of game returns is AFAIK done manually also...).
Most issues mentioned seem to be about issues that might not prevent one from playing or completing the game.....also gog has sold/still sells some games with bugs on some people's systems, as long as others can play them.

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toxicTom: So a mediocre game which is known to make troubles on many people's machines? Think they'll pass.
Yet they picked up the "awesome future best seller" Molek-Syntez. I mean black and white graphics and dull chemical synthesis....and !solitaire!.....that alone should allow gog to sell many many copies.
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OHMYGODJCABOMB: Yeah, I agree that they could lower the price a bit. After all, not everyone loves so-called "eurojank" (games like Gothic, Risen, Two Worlds, STALKER, etc.), like many players from Russia/CIS and Eastern Europe do, so the high price tag can scare away players from other "regions".
I LOVE me some eurojank.....You are empty and other games(the bits I played before my old PC broke) were my jam and I loved the look/feel of them. I also love the metro series(those are eurojank, right?).
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GameRager: Yet they picked up the "awesome future best seller" Molek-Syntez. I mean black and white graphics and dull chemical synthesis....and !solitaire!.....that alone should allow gog to sell many many copies.
Don't know about sales, I find the game looks pretty interesting and far from being "mediocre". Dull? Well maybe for ADD twitch gamers...

Also my argument was about games which are heavy on GOG support because they give people trouble running them. Never heard anything about something like this with Zachtronic games.
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toxicTom: Don't know about sales, I find the game looks pretty interesting and far from being "mediocre". Dull? Well maybe for ADD twitch gamers...
I wasn't trying to nag on the game or those who like it, bur rather showcase how n*che it is while being accepted...even if it likely will not sell as many copies as other games.....while some games that likely will appeal to a wider user base seem to get rejected more often.

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toxicTom: Also my argument was about games which are heavy on GOG support because they give people trouble running them. Never heard anything about something like this with Zachtronic games.
Fair enough, but if the sales were high enough(and bugs/refunds low enough) it might be good business sense for gog to accept such games anyways.
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RWarehall: Look, there are about 36,000 games on Steam. The Median game has 81% positives. That is where 18,000 comes from.

I think it's silly how you think that GoG can't possibly find games to bring here out of the 18,000 that are average or better and instead should be stuck accepting a 5 year old game with 45% positives which is way below the 81% of a middle-of-the-road game.
What I am saying is that your 18,000 is not an accurate number as to the possible games GOG could be getting here. I understand 18,000 is the number of "median" review games. However, what you are discounting is that developers and publishers in the vast majority of cases absolutely refuse to do DRM-free, at all, ever. On top of this, in looking for potential games to bring in, GOG is a curated store that has to consider what is a good fit for their store and for their audience, not just any average-to-good reviewed game. Which in turn narrows the pool further. Once we look at all this runoff, it's clear that 18,000 is nowhere near an accurate number of what could actually come here. Given how developers and publishers continue to excessively refuse bringing games outside of Scheme, let alone DRM-free, the real number that could realistically come here is likely closer to 180, no extra two zeros.

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RWarehall: And we are back to the GoG's tastes are different McGuffin.
Not quite yet...here we are back to discussing data. I am pointing out the rather plain fact that data that doesn't account for a certain type of GOG user, is not helpful data in relation to that type of GOG user. You are basically arguing, against the law of identity, that no, it is.

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RWarehall: Are you trying to say GoG users really want games where enemies constantly get stuck on the terrain, with bad voice acting, a silly plot and crashing on many systems?
We don't want Skyrim and Fallout 4 here? Kidding aside, there is a charm to "janky" games and for some of us RPG fanatics, we actually prefer a janky RPG over, say, a polished indie pixel platformer. I am not sure how to word this but it is sort of like how some people might like a "B-movie" or a cheap sci-fi that has a fun theme or interesting plot.

Out of 18,000 games, I'm sure one can find many games way better than this one, with much higher review scores and a lot more interest shown through the number of reviews. And actually, GoG probably shouldn't even just accept 81% because that is just average. They should be shooting for much higher which 45% clearly is not...
A lot more interest...on Scheme. Explain again (for the first time) how that is relevant to interest on GOG. When a GOG user has been deprived of the ability to buy such a game on this platform, but are discussing the game and wishlisting the game, to me that indicates interest of the particular GOG user doing so. Do you disagree on that point?
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rjbuffchix: Kidding aside, there is a charm to "janky" games and for some of us RPG fanatics, we actually prefer a janky RPG over, say, a polished indie pixel platformer. I am not sure how to word this but it is sort of like how some people might like a "B-movie" or a cheap sci-fi that has a fun theme or interesting plot.
I myself love many games labelled as junk by others, even those with some bugs....heck sometimes the bugs make the game more fun/interesting.
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I've heard from enough people who actually played the game that they had fun with it... bugs and all. If Vendetta released here. I would buy it... but then I love both pirate games and Euro-jank games. Do I expect GOG to bring Vendetta here? No. I think that ship has long since sailed.

At the same time...

I'm disappointed that an individual can't post a thread here about a game he / she enjoys without consistent derision and personal attacks. GOG is big enough for all opinions on games -- there's no need to demean people because they enjoy things that you don't or wish games were here that you dislike. The descent into childish name-calling and personal attacks not only makes the user look foolish and vindictive but GOG a less interesting and vital place for games discussion in general. And then there are the alts and "gang down-votes" and reputation abuse... it all makes what should be a great place to talk about games into a dead zone. If you want a an echo-chamber board on life support, there are unfortunately many across the games sphere. Does GOG need to be that as well?
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kai2: I've heard from enough people who actually played the game that they had fun with it... bugs and all. If Vendetta released here. I would buy it... but then I love both pirate games and Euro-jank games. Do I expect GOG to bring Vendetta here? No. I think that ship has long since sailed.

At the same time...

I'm disappointed that an individual can't post a thread here about a game he / she enjoys without consistent derision and personal attacks. GOG is big enough for all opinions on games -- there's no need to demean people because they enjoy things that you don't or wish games were here that you dislike. The descent into childish name-calling and personal attacks not only makes the user look foolish and vindictive but GOG a less interesting and vital place for games discussion in general. And then there are the alts and "gang down-votes" and reputation abuse... it all makes what should be a great place to talk about games into a dead zone. If you want a an echo-chamber board on life support, there are unfortunately many across the games sphere. Does GOG need to be that as well?
The irony as you lob personal attacks at me...as you've done in other threads as well. Once again another person who wants to avoid an "echo chamber" by banning all those who disagree with him/her...

Do you have anything to say that isn't ad hominem? Look in the mirror! And your "enough people" having fun with the game seems to be the one person...

Are people not supposed to be able to comment that this is a bad game. That it has been mocked for its entire existence. That the developers have been accused of faking reviews. That the game is way below average in terms of user and critic ratings? And underperforms when it comes to gauging interest? And contains bugs to this day almost a full 5 years later that at this point will never be fixed.

Are we supposed to ignore the elephant in the room that every single time someone finds a post saying a game is rejected, we get multiple threads filled with complaints about the rejection asking GoG to "reconsider"? Doesn't matter how bad the game is, suddenly it is always a "great game", a "hidden gem". No one is buying it on Steam at all, but it would "make money for GoG".

We have GameRager misinforming that the only problem with the game is quest bugs...and he clearly hasn't played the game...

"The game always been crushing after 3-5 minutes of gameplay."
"This mess of a game crashed on me during the benchmark test!"
"Continually crashes to desktop during opening cutscene. Can't even get to the main menu."
"Game crashes every time, before fully loaded - and this was the deluxe edition! My PC meets the game's stated requirements."
"Unfortunately.. game is unplayable. Crashing evry 5-10 min." - Marked as Positive, clearly by mistake as the entire review was negative."

All coming from reviews posted this year...
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Same fallacious argument GameRager makes. Make some superficial argument that "data isn't perfect" in a vain attempt to just "throw out the data" you don't like...I've addressed this multiple times.

Add the usual unsupported claim but GoG is different with different tastes than "other gamers" with the unsupported idea that a game that doesn't sell well on Steam might be some bestseller here. And the 1 person likes it, so the above must be true. The game did receive positives on Steam too (45% of users - although maybe I should also point out positive is the default and you have to remember to change it as I frequently run across clearly negative reviews marked as positive). But the point is it received more than its fair share of negatives.

It should be obvious to anyone, that with 36,000 titles on Steam and only 3500 titles on GoG, that it should not be that hard to find titles better than this one given how many problems and low rated this game is. Out of the 18,000 titles in the top half there are likely 1000+ that GoG could get far better than this title. This is a bad hill to die on.
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RWarehall: The irony as you lob personal attacks at me...as you've done in other threads as well. Once again another person who wants to avoid an "echo chamber" by banning all those who disagree with him/her...
Could you please copy-and-paste an example of my having attacked you personally in this thread?

Could you illustrate a time in the past when I have personally attacked you?
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RWarehall: No one is buying it on Steam at all, but it would "make money for GoG".
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RWarehall: "make money for GoG"
You know, I'm still waiting for you to show me my post about this game with this quote.
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RWarehall: Are people not supposed to be able to comment that this is a bad game.
Certainly, your views are appreciated, but you often attack and demean others while expressing those views.

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RWarehall: Once again another person who wants to avoid an "echo chamber" by banning all those who disagree with him/her...
No one has tried to "ban" you or censor your views on this game.

Why would you take a general plea to stop personally attacking other people as a ban on your point of view?
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RWarehall: Are people not supposed to be able to comment that this is a bad game.
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kai2: Certainly, your views are appreciated, but you often attack and demean others while expressing those views.

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RWarehall: Once again another person who wants to avoid an "echo chamber" by banning all those who disagree with him/her...
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kai2: No one has tried to "ban" you or censor your views on this game.
As you ask where you are attacking me...
As you just made a post talking about how people should be able to make a post without any criticism...