Posted October 13, 2014
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Getcomposted
Meeping away
Registered: Aug 2009
From United Kingdom
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phaolo
Durik - Half-Orc
Registered: Dec 2013
From Italy
Posted October 13, 2014
Just a last question: why should gifting have more rules than trading?
In both cases we're not the owners anymore, but only the latter is a real transaction with possible obligations\requirements (unless the gift has strings attached lol).
We usually get more pissed off about the gift because we feel betrayed for our generosity, but even a fair trade ending in a bad deal feels like a scam! (expecially if you also care about the exchanged goods).
If others don't have problems it's fine, but frankly I don't want to trade with resellers.
I'll try to remember to state it every time, even if for me it should be implicit here on GoG.
EDIT: oh.. I didn't see that the topic had deviated to sexy fruits lol O_o
In both cases we're not the owners anymore, but only the latter is a real transaction with possible obligations\requirements (unless the gift has strings attached lol).
We usually get more pissed off about the gift because we feel betrayed for our generosity, but even a fair trade ending in a bad deal feels like a scam! (expecially if you also care about the exchanged goods).
If others don't have problems it's fine, but frankly I don't want to trade with resellers.
I'll try to remember to state it every time, even if for me it should be implicit here on GoG.
EDIT: oh.. I didn't see that the topic had deviated to sexy fruits lol O_o
Post edited October 13, 2014 by phaolo
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OneFiercePuppy
Old and Cranky
Registered: May 2010
From United States
Posted October 13, 2014
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Fruits are the part of a plant that contain the material necessary to reproduce the plant. Vegetables are the part of the plant that do not reproduce the plant. Culinary rules are different - fruits are designated as sweet while vegetables are designated as savory.
EDITED for clarity.
Post edited October 19, 2014 by OneFiercePuppy
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RWarehall
Ja'loja!
Registered: Jan 2012
From United States
Posted October 13, 2014
We can get into the semantics.
It's pretty clear that a gift is by default expected to be used by the recipient, not to be retraded for a "better" game. Almost everyone agrees with this (although I have run across people in the past who think otherwise).
There is still debate on traded games. Clearly some traders have the expectation that the recipient wants the game for themselves.
The muddy situation we have here, and what sparked this topic, is someone who has traded for a game publicly, and then shortly thereafter is seen asking for the same game as a gift. This person just did own the game after the trade. Could have kept that game for himself. He did not. And that a few days later is asking for the same game as a gift.
It smells of scammer in many cases. But are there exceptions?
I think it's poor etiquette for sure. Most people are gifting games based on the recipient's desire for the game for themselves and when it's clear the recipient had the game previously, that desire comes into question.
That said, it's also clear people may make poor choices. I feel it was wrong of Apehater to ask for that gift after the trade. The next question is whether this was a one-time event? If it is, this is not a scammer.
At one point in one of my giveaways, I ran across someone who thought it was ok to do with the gift whatever he wanted, before he actually traded the game (I had noticed the code unredeemed and PM'd him about it), the facts became clear. We discussed it and he "gave the code back" or more accurately chose not to use it.
The next question is what does it take for someone to prove themselves enough to leave the list?
I'm a little torn. I know Apehater has been gifting games since that time. I have not seen him repeat the prior transgression. But that said, calling someone out for a seemingly legitimate complaint is in poor form as well.
Just some food for thought...
It's pretty clear that a gift is by default expected to be used by the recipient, not to be retraded for a "better" game. Almost everyone agrees with this (although I have run across people in the past who think otherwise).
There is still debate on traded games. Clearly some traders have the expectation that the recipient wants the game for themselves.
The muddy situation we have here, and what sparked this topic, is someone who has traded for a game publicly, and then shortly thereafter is seen asking for the same game as a gift. This person just did own the game after the trade. Could have kept that game for himself. He did not. And that a few days later is asking for the same game as a gift.
It smells of scammer in many cases. But are there exceptions?
I think it's poor etiquette for sure. Most people are gifting games based on the recipient's desire for the game for themselves and when it's clear the recipient had the game previously, that desire comes into question.
That said, it's also clear people may make poor choices. I feel it was wrong of Apehater to ask for that gift after the trade. The next question is whether this was a one-time event? If it is, this is not a scammer.
At one point in one of my giveaways, I ran across someone who thought it was ok to do with the gift whatever he wanted, before he actually traded the game (I had noticed the code unredeemed and PM'd him about it), the facts became clear. We discussed it and he "gave the code back" or more accurately chose not to use it.
The next question is what does it take for someone to prove themselves enough to leave the list?
I'm a little torn. I know Apehater has been gifting games since that time. I have not seen him repeat the prior transgression. But that said, calling someone out for a seemingly legitimate complaint is in poor form as well.
Just some food for thought...
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foxworks
5* General of Cheese™
Registered: Oct 2010
From United States
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PaterAlf
Cookie Monster
Registered: Apr 2012
From Christmas Island
Posted October 13, 2014
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My considered opinion is that if you trade a game you own for a game you want, or if you trade a game you own for a game you plan to gift or trade elsewhere, what is the difference? It's a barter exchange - once the two parties agree to the exchange, neither has a right to tell the other person what to do with the merchandise....
Trading is not gifting. Once you traded something away, it's not up to you to decide what happens with it any longer. The new owner can do with it whatever he/she wants.
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Klumpen0815
+91
Registered: Dec 2012
From Germany
Posted October 14, 2014
Anyone here ever dealt with "smasherdevourer"?
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Sachys
Woodie Guthrie's Guitar!
Registered: Dec 2011
From United Kingdom
Posted October 14, 2014
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Starmaker
go Clarice!
Registered: Sep 2010
From Russian Federation
Posted October 14, 2014
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In both cases we're not the owners anymore, but only the latter is a real transaction with possible obligations\requirements (unless the gift has strings attached lol).
Gifts on the other hand typically presume that (1) the person actually wants to play the game they are asking for and/or (2) can't afford it. Look at the begging thread for examples. People who give gifts might want to
- promote love of their favorite games,
- reward interest in their favorite games,
- talk impreshunz with a new player,
- or just support a person in need (I'd pirate, but for other people having to pirate a game when they normally wouldn't just rubs their poverty in their face, basically the online equivalent to dirty looks from a walmart cashier when redeeming foodstamps).
These people might reasonably consider that if the recipient traded the gift away, they got it under false pretenses of actually wanting to play it (and basically were asking for cash), and if they traded a game away and currently asking for the same game as a gift, they are currently trying to get it under false pretenses of actually wanting to play.
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FoxSniperFox
Retro Gamer
Registered: Sep 2014
From United Kingdom
Posted October 19, 2014
I feel sick to the stomach, I've been scammed by GOG user justaquickie out of 7 games.
I can't believe I didn't use the search button before hand.
I can't believe I didn't use the search button before hand.
Post edited October 19, 2014 by HeadphonesON
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stg83
Homo Ludens
Registered: Nov 2013
From Pakistan
Posted October 19, 2014
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I can't believe I didn't use the search button before hand.
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FoxSniperFox
Retro Gamer
Registered: Sep 2014
From United Kingdom
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stg83
Homo Ludens
Registered: Nov 2013
From Pakistan
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Grargar
Insert cat to continue
Registered: Aug 2012
From Greece
Posted October 19, 2014
Post edited October 19, 2014 by Grargar
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stg83
Homo Ludens
Registered: Nov 2013
From Pakistan
Posted October 19, 2014
Yeah I know, but I just meant in the sense that a lot of people weren't aware that justaquickie was a known scammer here which he took advantage of as well. I think new folks should read the OP in the trade thread before commencing trading on the forum to avoid being scammed by a user with the arbitrary higher rep number.