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Posted October 10, 2022
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Takashi_Hafuza: since I'm an introvert
Anyways have a nice day ☺️
Yeah, there should be room for something in the middle when it comes to filters.

Me too, and yes, language can be a serious pain in the arse at time. Thanks, and the same to you. :)
Posted October 10, 2022
GOG not censoring is of course a good thing but as sanscript said:

Self-censoring on the developer/publisher side is a far bigger issue than that on a gaming store. That kind of censorship barely ever surfaces but can still be happening behind the scenes.
Posted October 10, 2022
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HappyPunkPotato: What did happen to Fallout 1 and 2 here?
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Takashi_Hafuza: The same censorship as on Steam version: Children sprite on the game removed (as far as I remember), and some other censors I don't remember.
Oh thanks. I remember them being missing in the disk versions that were available in the UK. It must have been before I got my copy on here though because I'm fairly sure the kids are there in the newer Bethesda version.
Posted October 10, 2022
Here is my take on the whole censorship issue and it mainly revolves around the NEXUS.

I've gone through and read several topics on this forum regarding, modding, Bethesda, and places like nexus mods. Both the topics and replies around said things always fail to address key things that actually matter.

There was this big thing about the nexus removing a mod and banning the account that uploaded it. There was a reply that said something interesting which was, so the nexus should be forced to host a mod it doesn't like...another reply was outlining where an announcement was written up from the nexus mod owner or someone in poser where they explicitly outlines the word INCLUSIVE

OK so here is the deal the nexus mods 100% should be forced to host a mod because the entire site is basically owned by everyone if people didn't make mods that site wouldn't even exist. The owner of that site doesn't even do anything

[Modded. Treat others with respect.]

There is a policy about no swearing and people have actually gotten banned for that, but yet allows the hosting of x-rated mods,

[Modded. Language.]

I got news for people YOU CANNOT USE THE WORD INCLUSIVE WHEN YOU'RE EXCLUDING ANYTHING FROM IT. Which means THE removal of that flag mod MEANS YOU ARE NOT INCLUSIVE.

People on the net love to look at things backwards, a forum never looks at what causes a problem, they only look at a problem is being caused so the real trouble makers get away with it while the person defending themselves gets punished. and just like that people are trying to defend the nexus by saying it's the nexus exercising their freedom which is false because that's backwards,

The nexus exercising anything, the nexus is actually controlling who gets to use what mods when that isn't their place to be doing so. They host mods they aren't the choice police. All the nexus has done is remove free choice to use a mod. The content of the mod is 100% irrelevant. [Modded. Treat others with respect.]

[Modded. Treat others with respect.] mods are for everyone and as such a site such as nexus mods should not be restricting anyone from being able to get at mods by having them register an account in order to be able to get them.

There are just some things that the nexus have no business doing is selective mod hosting, and restricting access to game mods.
Post edited October 10, 2022 by Clownski_
Posted October 10, 2022
My experience with censorship in games on gog mostly boils down to Baseball Stars 2 and Art of Fighting 2, both SNK titles that had a super-sneaky update a couple of years ago without any kind of patch note. As SNK was owned by Chinese at that time, the directive came to remove the Taiwanese flag from BS2. However in the following update, all national flags and city names were removed too (both visual and audio cuts) and the old Japanese flag from AoF2 was gone as well.

Gog doesn't really seem to care if such an "update" comes from the publisher itself or there is potential profit to be made by such appeasement. At least that's my understanding from the communique I got from the support a while ago.
I used to smirk when seeing some users here religiously backing up every single version of every game they own. I've learned my lesson since then. To all the archivists, I salute you!
Posted October 10, 2022
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tx3000: Snip.
can please point on this doll were Nexus touched you?
Post edited October 10, 2022 by Clownski_
Posted October 10, 2022
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tx3000: There are just some things that the nexus have no business doing is selective mod hosting, and restricting access to game mods.
Double standards is one of the most omni-present things these days. It's fine when we do it, but not when you do it. Weaponized hypocrisy.
Posted October 10, 2022
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Carradice: Just a plea for GOg management to consider. Keep games in GOG free of censorship as much as you can. Pandering to this or that pressure group bites you in the rear part because they willl always want more. GOG games, proudly DRM free and censorship free. Thanks for what you do for games and people who love games.
Considering how they've been selling the heavily censored European versions of Fallout 1&2 basically from day 1, I'd wager that this ship has well and truly sailed.

Recently they added a regionally censored German version of Kane & Lynch 2 to the storefront and - unlike Steam - there's not even a word of warning on the game page about it being a censored version.
Posted October 10, 2022
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tx3000:
Always treat others with kindness and respect, even if you dont agree with them.
Post edited October 10, 2022 by Clownski_
Posted October 10, 2022
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Posted October 10, 2022
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Spectrum_Legacy: Gog doesn't really seem to care if such an "update" comes from the publisher itself or there is potential profit to be made by such appeasement. At least that's my understanding from the communique I got from the support a while ago.
That seems to hit the nail. It's not GOGs place to decide what the publisher should publish and what not.
When the publishers violate the laws of a country the game is supposed to be sold to - that's where GOG must step in.

I would like to keep all old versions of my games, gut the current versions alone already take almost 7 TB.

In the case you mentioned I would not have noticed the Taiwanese flags and names in the first place, let alone them being removed. No chance I would have seen that.
Posted October 10, 2022
I know Carradice explicitly alluded to the games 'in' gog, but, I don't know, after the thing with Devotion, to me it still feels a bit off to think of gog as a company which holds or will hold any sort of real moral values which aren't or won't be tied to a business decision. Maybe I'm being too harsh, I understand my argument is basically a fallacy of composition, but I can't help but feel that way and that's on me, but it's also a shame.
Posted October 10, 2022
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tx3000: Here is my take on the whole censorship issue and it mainly revolves around the NEXUS.

I've gone through and read several topics on this forum regarding, modding, Bethesda, and places like nexus mods. Both the topics and replies around said things always fail to address key things that actually matter.

There was this big thing about the nexus removing a mod and banning the account that uploaded it. There was a reply that said something interesting which was, so the nexus should be forced to host a mod it doesn't like...another reply was outlining where an announcement was written up from the nexus mod owner or someone in poser where they explicitly outlines the word INCLUSIVE

OK so here is the deal the nexus mods 100% should be forced to host a mod because the entire site is basically owned by everyone if people didn't make mods that site wouldn't even exist. The owner of that site doesn't even do anything

[Modded. Treat others with respect.]

There is a policy about no swearing and people have actually gotten banned for that, but yet allows the hosting of x-rated mods,

[Modded. Language.]

I got news for people YOU CANNOT USE THE WORD INCLUSIVE WHEN YOU'RE EXCLUDING ANYTHING FROM IT. Which means THE removal of that flag mod MEANS YOU ARE NOT INCLUSIVE.

People on the net love to look at things backwards, a forum never looks at what causes a problem, they only look at a problem is being caused so the real trouble makers get away with it while the person defending themselves gets punished. and just like that people are trying to defend the nexus by saying it's the nexus exercising their freedom which is false because that's backwards,

The nexus exercising anything, the nexus is actually controlling who gets to use what mods when that isn't their place to be doing so. They host mods they aren't the choice police. All the nexus has done is remove free choice to use a mod. The content of the mod is 100% irrelevant. [Modded. Treat others with respect.]

[Modded. Treat others with respect.] mods are for everyone and as such a site such as nexus mods should not be restricting anyone from being able to get at mods by having them register an account in order to be able to get them.

There are just some things that the nexus have no business doing is selective mod hosting, and restricting access to game mods.
This is why i don't like nexus & to add free accounts get 3mb download speed you need to be a Premium Member to get max download speed.
Posted October 10, 2022
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armedready: This is why i don't like nexus & to add free accounts get 3mb download speed you need to be a Premium Member to get max download speed.
After the crap that went on with the nexus banning a few people for language, but allowing x-rated mods, is why I don't even use the nexus anymore. If a mod for a game I want is only on the nexus, and an account is needed, I just have someone else download it for me then email it to me. There is no reason to require an account to download mods that the nexus doesn't even own. I have a few mods posted on the nexus and refuse to allow the nexus to require an account in order for someone to be able to download them. The nexus has no place telling people they need an account to download a mod I made. I don't allow that shit

For the record:
I don't have Steam on my computer, I also do not use reddit, the nexus, gamefaqs, Facebook, tiktok, twitter, I also do not use Google unless I absolutely have to.

Every AAA game I have, already has it's own launcher so there is zero reason to get that same game on Steam and now require it to depend on 2 Launchers instead of it's own.

What i find really amusing is how people trash services such as UPLAY, EA, and even Rockstar, but mysteriously praise Steam, it's funny because Steam is the 3rd party, not EA or UPLAY, and yet they still require the uplay launcher in order to launch it through steam. Steam has the privilege of selling those games, but people who believe the game uses the steam launcher instead of it's own launcher just make me laugh. people don't seem to understand that The steam launcher is ADDED to the game in order to launch it AFTER, the games original launchers are there first then it's given to Valve and then the Steam launcher is ADDED.

No reason to cause a game that already has a launcher, to now require another one. All steam does is launch the launcher of the game then it sits in the background doing nothing.

it's really hilarious to read and listen to people actually try justifying causing a game to require a second launcher (WHICH IS STEAM) for no reason.
Post edited October 10, 2022 by tx3000
Posted October 11, 2022
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Carradice: Keep games in GOG free of censorship as much as you can. Pandering to this or that pressure group bites you in the rear part because they willl always want more
While I also strongly support no censorship in games, what do you think companies should do when large numbers of gamers complain of certain content? I'm specifically thinking of sexual minorities in games.

Though I've yet to play them, there was a ton of outrage from gamers about a trans character having a single line of dialog in baldur's gate siege of dragonspear. When it was announced vampire the masquerade was going to get a bloodlines 2 game, there was tons more outrage at "wokism" ruining the game with just the rumor of the possibility of gay vampires. Every single time any game has even one sexual minority, threads get pages and pages and pages of people complaining of things being "forced on them" and "shoved in their face" and even that it's somehow "political", that even talking about gays is political(!).

I assume in your OP you're thinking of things like Devotion, maybe the kids from fallout, or even possibly the "hide the porn" thread currently being discussed. I remember Gothic 1 had an all male game world with like four females, and two of them were topless, which some countries protested and the devs were forced to add a bra patch to cover the women. No real change from censorship.

But when TONS of gamers CONSTANTLY complain about even the tiniest presence of sexual minorities... what do you think game sellers like gog, and game devs as well, should do? Do you still support a no-censorship approach? If censorship manifests on the dev end, and not the store end, is that okay?

Sexual minorities are incredibly underrepresented in all forms of media, but if they don't appear in something, is it censorship, a response to "whiners", something else...?
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