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Posted February 23, 2021
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Darvond: Maybe it shouldn't be free. Not to the degree of requiring a separate fee for entrance, but a reliable, "Buy this value of games to be entered."

After all, one of the most legendary forums (until Rich Kyanka went nuts) had a 10$ entry fee that went towards hosting and maintenance costs, along with other cosmetic buyables.
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Carradice: A very interesting, thought-provoking idea. Regardless of whether they ever do this, it is worth considering.

It could be even scaled to more than two categories, establishing, say, an entry level (that would require an investment) but would be limited to a certain number of posts per day, and one or more advanced levels, with more posts or eventually without limit.
Right now, it's 10 bucks of purchase to even do gift codes. I think that would be a good start and would already cut off alts and bots. Moreover, if anyone did anything illegal, it creates a paper trail that police can track.
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lupineshadow: Moderators < Customers < Administrators < Moneymakers

They're already at the bottom (usually by their own choice to not get paid for a thankless job) why would you want to downvote them to make their lives worse?
In theory, but in practice:

Customers < Moderators < Tech Support < Programmers < Managers < Upper Management < Board < Lega department < Hedge Fund Managers < Law Makers < Social media corporations < [recursive chain here from Moderators to Imaginary people] < Imaginary customers (What they think we are like, but due to the number of levels of indirection, they don't resemble us in the slightest, and might not even resemble human beings)
Post edited February 23, 2021 by kohlrak
Posted February 23, 2021
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Zimerius: Not sure what this democracy hype is all about but if feels a bit like this is dreamed by people who don't even live in a democracy..... if you life in a democracy you should by now know what democracy means, like the first rule you know.

the state can never be sued ........
the state is the state and by definition inviolable
people representing the state are by definition violable and can be demoted voted against or even punished if the state deems this to be necessary

capice ?
yeah
and very easy to hack with media + money
Posted February 23, 2021
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Zimerius: Not sure what this democracy hype is all about but if feels a bit like this is dreamed by people who don't even live in a democracy..... if you life in a democracy you should by now know what democracy means, like the first rule you know.

the state can never be sued ........
the state is the state and by definition inviolable
people representing the state are by definition violable and can be demoted voted against or even punished if the state deems this to be necessary

capice ?
That's precisely the problem, that would be preferable. Take the above reply to another user. Under pure capitalism you'd have: Customers < Moderators < Tech Support & Programmers < Managers < Legal Team < Owner < Owner's imagined customers based on feedback forms

This would be far better, although still imperfect. The idea of capitalism is that customers have democratic voting power via their wallets and feedback. Corporate capitalism, however, adds so much extra bureaucracy that some people who would theoretically be represented end up having no representation at all (low level investors for example). A democracy is not necessarily ideal, as you need some sort of delay between immediate human rection, hence why people live in republics, rather than democracies. However, with a democracy or republic, the power and responsibility lies mostly with those who are most subject to it (at least, is supposed to be that way, anyway). While the abstractions are necessary, excessive abstractions (bureaucracy) tends to move the power (but somehow not responsibility, which i assume is due to the illusion that the bottom still has some semblance of control).
Posted February 23, 2021
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Zimerius: Not sure what this democracy hype is all about but if feels a bit like this is dreamed by people who don't even live in a democracy..... if you life in a democracy you should by now know what democracy means, like the first rule you know.

the state can never be sued ........
the state is the state and by definition inviolable
people representing the state are by definition violable and can be demoted voted against or even punished if the state deems this to be necessary

capice ?
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kohlrak: That's precisely the problem, that would be preferable. Take the above reply to another user. Under pure capitalism you'd have: Customers < Moderators < Tech Support & Programmers < Managers < Legal Team < Owner < Owner's imagined customers based on feedback forms

This would be far better, although still imperfect. The idea of capitalism is that customers have democratic voting power via their wallets and feedback. Corporate capitalism, however, adds so much extra bureaucracy that some people who would theoretically be represented end up having no representation at all (low level investors for example). A democracy is not necessarily ideal, as you need some sort of delay between immediate human rection, hence why people live in republics, rather than democracies. However, with a democracy or republic, the power and responsibility lies mostly with those who are most subject to it (at least, is supposed to be that way, anyway). While the abstractions are necessary, excessive abstractions (bureaucracy) tends to move the power (but somehow not responsibility, which i assume is due to the illusion that the bottom still has some semblance of control).
Yea you are right, of course true democracy can only be really sustainable in a semi - controlled environment, with a evenly distributed and spirited crowd, like the amazing example of star troopers where you could only obtain your right to vote if you displayed your willingness to die for the country ( by joining armed forces for x amount of time )

i'm not sure how this would relate to the forum though, the owner would turn to be a provider and a contributor, i'm not sure if this is the case atm
Posted February 23, 2021
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Zimerius: Yea you are right, of course true democracy can only be really sustainable in a semi - controlled environment, with a evenly distributed and spirited crowd, like the amazing example of star troopers where you could only obtain your right to vote if you displayed your willingness to die for the country ( by joining armed forces for x amount of time )

i'm not sure how this would relate to the forum though, the owner would turn to be a provider and a contributor, i'm not sure if this is the case atm
startrooper's system is pretty good, we should have something similar
Posted February 23, 2021
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kohlrak: That's precisely the problem, that would be preferable. Take the above reply to another user. Under pure capitalism you'd have: Customers < Moderators < Tech Support & Programmers < Managers < Legal Team < Owner < Owner's imagined customers based on feedback forms

This would be far better, although still imperfect. The idea of capitalism is that customers have democratic voting power via their wallets and feedback. Corporate capitalism, however, adds so much extra bureaucracy that some people who would theoretically be represented end up having no representation at all (low level investors for example). A democracy is not necessarily ideal, as you need some sort of delay between immediate human rection, hence why people live in republics, rather than democracies. However, with a democracy or republic, the power and responsibility lies mostly with those who are most subject to it (at least, is supposed to be that way, anyway). While the abstractions are necessary, excessive abstractions (bureaucracy) tends to move the power (but somehow not responsibility, which i assume is due to the illusion that the bottom still has some semblance of control).
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Zimerius: Yea you are right, of course true democracy can only be really sustainable in a semi - controlled environment, with a evenly distributed and spirited crowd, like the amazing example of star troopers where you could only obtain your right to vote if you displayed your willingness to die for the country ( by joining armed forces for x amount of time )

i'm not sure how this would relate to the forum though, the owner would turn to be a provider and a contributor, i'm not sure if this is the case atm
Starship Troopers* (sorry, necessary for context from external readers who might not pick it out)

The issue right now is that GOG has become the typical public corporation. We've been wandering through the desert for 40 years, waiting to see the promised DRM-free land that GOG almighty has promised us, but instead we see the great walls of corporate Jericho. Frankly, we the nomadic userbase apparently need to wander another 40 years so that our offspring will have the will to fight that we don't have.
Posted February 23, 2021
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kohlrak: The issue right now is that GOG has become the typical public corporation. We've been wandering through the desert for 40 years, waiting to see the promised DRM-free land that GOG almighty has promised us, but instead we see the great walls of corporate Jericho. Frankly, we the nomadic userbase apparently need to wander another 40 years so that our offspring will have the will to fight that we don't have.
still gog is one of the best , there is not many alternatives
probably customers would flee to a viable one in droves
Posted February 23, 2021
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Zimerius: Yea you are right, of course true democracy can only be really sustainable in a semi - controlled environment, with a evenly distributed and spirited crowd, like the amazing example of star troopers where you could only obtain your right to vote if you displayed your willingness to die for the country ( by joining armed forces for x amount of time )

i'm not sure how this would relate to the forum though, the owner would turn to be a provider and a contributor, i'm not sure if this is the case atm
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Orkhepaj: startrooper's system is pretty good, we should have something similar
the system is prone to abuse, and can lead to oppression fairly quickly, you already see this happening atm with the rep police roaming around, not to mention the social psychopaths ....
Posted February 23, 2021
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Zimerius: Yea you are right, of course true democracy can only be really sustainable in a semi - controlled environment, with a evenly distributed and spirited crowd, like the amazing example of star troopers where you could only obtain your right to vote if you displayed your willingness to die for the country ( by joining armed forces for x amount of time )

i'm not sure how this would relate to the forum though, the owner would turn to be a provider and a contributor, i'm not sure if this is the case atm
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Orkhepaj: startrooper's system is pretty good, we should have something similar
I don't know about other countries, but the United States used to. In particular, you had to be a land owner. The problem was, then they wanted to start this thing called Selective Services, which enraged people until it was promised that men who could end up picked would be allowed to vote in the first place. Women basically got it w/o the registration, but that's a whole other kettle of fish.
Posted February 23, 2021
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Orkhepaj: startrooper's system is pretty good, we should have something similar
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Zimerius: the system is prone to abuse, and can lead to oppression fairly quickly, you already see this happening atm with the rep police roaming around, not to mention the social psychopaths ....
yes would be hard to balance out ,but even with its problems it could be way better than the current system ,oh you are an adult you can vote and worth the same as everyones else
Posted February 23, 2021
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Orkhepaj: startrooper's system is pretty good, we should have something similar
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Zimerius: the system is prone to abuse, and can lead to oppression fairly quickly, you already see this happening atm with the rep police roaming around, not to mention the social psychopaths ....
Yes, but the starship troopers system actually wouldn't have that. The whole point of service meant it proved you were able to put your life on the line for a purpose greater than your own selfish interests.
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kohlrak: The issue right now is that GOG has become the typical public corporation. We've been wandering through the desert for 40 years, waiting to see the promised DRM-free land that GOG almighty has promised us, but instead we see the great walls of corporate Jericho. Frankly, we the nomadic userbase apparently need to wander another 40 years so that our offspring will have the will to fight that we don't have.
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Orkhepaj: still gog is one of the best , there is not many alternatives
probably customers would flee to a viable one in droves
Why is that, though? Believe it or not, i've seen alot of alternatives, but no one wants to publish on them. Why is GOG so special?
Post edited February 23, 2021 by kohlrak
Posted February 23, 2021
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kohlrak: Why is that, though? Believe it or not, i've seen alot of alternatives, but no one wants to publish on them. Why is GOG so special?
well first it has cdpr as sistercorp,
second it started with old games and gathered a small user base

probably much harder now for other companies, imho pure drm-free isn't mandatory, just make it the preferred way, and clear what the customers buy
Posted February 23, 2021
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kohlrak: Why is that, though? Believe it or not, i've seen alot of alternatives, but no one wants to publish on them. Why is GOG so special?
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Orkhepaj: well first it has cdpr as sistercorp,
second it started with old games and gathered a small user base

probably much harder now for other companies, imho pure drm-free isn't mandatory, just make it the preferred way, and clear what the customers buy
I've already made up my mind that if I ever sell a game (instead of giving them out for free with source), i'm not selling on GOG. GOG is too hostile to both devs and customers, and i have a similar impression of steam. I'd either self-host or use something like itch, dlsite, etc. You shouldn't need the storefront to be your primary advertising, or you're not likely to be that successful overall. Have some dignity and take a stand for something. GOG's seal of approval means almost nothing, and certainly less for things like steam, epic, etc, where the saturation is so bad that you have to wonder why you aren't on itch. Going through GOG's catalogue alone looking for something is daunting enough (i would know, i've done it), but if you don't impress enough for the 5 minutes you're on page 10 of recent steam releases, which most people aren't likely to look at anyway, you're not going to be noticed.
Posted February 23, 2021
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Orkhepaj: well first it has cdpr as sistercorp,
second it started with old games and gathered a small user base

probably much harder now for other companies, imho pure drm-free isn't mandatory, just make it the preferred way, and clear what the customers buy
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kohlrak: I've already made up my mind that if I ever sell a game (instead of giving them out for free with source), i'm not selling on GOG. GOG is too hostile to both devs and customers, and i have a similar impression of steam. I'd either self-host or use something like itch, dlsite, etc. You shouldn't need the storefront to be your primary advertising, or you're not likely to be that successful overall. Have some dignity and take a stand for something. GOG's seal of approval means almost nothing, and certainly less for things like steam, epic, etc, where the saturation is so bad that you have to wonder why you aren't on itch. Going through GOG's catalogue alone looking for something is daunting enough (i would know, i've done it), but if you don't impress enough for the 5 minutes you're on page 10 of recent steam releases, which most people aren't likely to look at anyway, you're not going to be noticed.
yeah, i wouldn't choose steam at all, your first game won't make it to the first page except if it is a very good one like Valheim
that 30% they take is too much for this
does gog still take 30% ?
Posted February 23, 2021
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Zimerius: the system is prone to abuse, and can lead to oppression fairly quickly, you already see this happening atm with the rep police roaming around, not to mention the social psychopaths ....
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kohlrak: Yes, but the starship troopers system actually wouldn't have that. The whole point of service meant it proved you were able to put your life on the line for a purpose greater than your own selfish interests.
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Orkhepaj: still gog is one of the best , there is not many alternatives
probably customers would flee to a viable one in droves
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kohlrak: Why is that, though? Believe it or not, i've seen alot of alternatives, but no one wants to publish on them. Why is GOG so special?
Well don't forget the system, and lets not forget what the military is all about. Everyone with a right to vote is basically drilled to follow orders, simply said. I'm not saying that it is a wrong thing but, the military is expected to behave in such a manner that can be expected to defend or defeat a treat to your civilization. While the dedication asked and needed to perform those actions either as mastermind or as a grunt is admirable and sometimes hard needed it does seem that the profile of those people does not really seem to fit in the current mind set of the world we or better said i live in...... ( though really, it would be so interesting to see if such a government would kill the crime rate )
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