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Too bad this annoying know-it-all Hermione wasn't eaten by the troll.
Post edited July 31, 2018 by morolf
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morolf: You can't expect that everybody stays calm about a controversial subject like Harry Potter. It's just a very divisive, explosive issue about which many people feel very strongly and which has destroyed many families, made former best friends into mortal enemies, set fathers against their sons etc.
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Pherim: Well, that reminds me of something...
That's so unrealistic.

Level 1 wizards would never make that many successful ranged attack rolls, especially with improvised weapons!
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morolf: I googled this...you're a Harry Potter fan????
Why do adults think it's okay to be a fan of that? A few years back when Harry Potter was a thing, I often saw people on public transport reading those books, and they didn't even change the covers or try to hide it was Harry Potter. Weird!
“Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
― C.S. Lewis
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Serren: “Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.”
― C.S. Lewis
Didn't C.S. Lewis write those boring Christian-themed Narnia novels where Jesus was a lion, and where one of the protagonists was punished with eternal damnation because she liked to use lipstick?
Post edited July 31, 2018 by morolf
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morolf: Didn't C.S. Lewis write those boring Christian-themed Narnia novels where Jesus was a lion, and where one of the protagonists was punished to eternal damnation because she liked to use lipstick?
And? That doesn't invalidate the truth and wisdom of the quote.
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Serren: And? That doesn't invalidate the truth and wisdom of the quote.
Well, people who think women who use lipstick go to hell (or at least not to paradise where Lion-Jesus rules) probably don't have the best judgment.
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morolf: Well, people who think women who use lipstick go to hell (or at least not to paradise where Lion-Jesus rules) probably don't have the best judgment.
That is an ad hominem response. The message is what matters, not the messenger.

Also, you do know that those books are works of fiction, right?
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Serren: The message is what matters, not the messenger.
Would you say the same if someone cited Hitler?
Anyway, even J.K.Rowling has criticised C.S.Lewis for the Susan character:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Pevensie#Criticism
There comes a point where Susan, who was the older girl, is lost to Narnia because she becomes interested in lipstick. She's become irreligious basically because she found sex. I have a big problem with that.
— J. K. Rowling
If Harry Potter books help get people into reading - including adults - then more power to 'em.

For what it's worth, I just picked up most of the Narnia books since I haven't read them before (go easy on the spoilers!), and earlier in the year I went through the original Robert Asprin Myth-Adventure books. Also found a follow-on book last time I was at the store and picked it up. Young-reader oriented? Okay.

Sometimes it's nice to step back into something a bit lighter and simpler.
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tinyE: and the black magic thing. XD You know, I've noticed a sharp increase in the amount of 12 year olds joining Satanic Cults since those books came out, so you might be onto something. :P
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Pherim: Well, I was about 12 when the first book came out, so... AVADA KEDAVRA!
*dies*

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tinyE: If this thread ends up needing to be closed I think we can call the forum officially doomed.

I made a silly little mention of pop culture fantasy icon and a fight is breaking out. I'm beginning to think the same thing would happen if I'd started a thread to wish happy birthday to Mr Rodgers or Bob Ross. :P
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morolf: You can't expect that everybody stays calm about a controversial subject like Harry Potter. It's just a very divisive, explosive issue about which many people feel very strongly and which has destroyed many families, made former best friends into mortal enemies, set fathers against their sons etc.
I don't see Harry Potter as being a controversal issue, so I do expect that everybody (or at least most people) stay calm about it.

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PoppyAppletree: That's so unrealistic.

Level 1 wizards would never make that many successful ranged attack rolls, especially with improvised weapons!
In D&D 3rd edition, that could happen if that level 1 wizard is also a level 20 fighter (and gained those 20 fighter levels first, because epic level attack bonus rules are stupid).
Post edited July 31, 2018 by dtgreene
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dtgreene: I don't see Harry Potter as being a controversal issue, so I do expect that everybody (or at least most people) stay calm about it.
There have been quite a few Harry Potter-related murders, also some genuine battles between Harry-fans and those who thought Voldemort had a point and was the real hero of the books.
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morolf: Would you say the same if someone cited Hitler?
Absolutely. Hitler did horrible things, but that doesn't mean he didn't have a brain. You take the good and leave the bad. Godwinned, by the way.
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morolf: Anyway, even J.K.Rowling has criticised C.S.Lewis for the Susan character:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Pevensie#Criticism
There comes a point where Susan, who was the older girl, is lost to Narnia because she becomes interested in lipstick. She's become irreligious basically because she found sex. I have a big problem with that.
— J. K. Rowling
Uh, OK? I don't see the problem or the relevance to the quote I posted. Disagreeing with someone on a single point, or even outright disliking them, doesn't mean you have to disagree with them on everything. Clearly J.K. Rowling knows this, because she drew inspiration from the works of C.S. Lewis. In fact you criticised J.K. Rowling in this very thread and are now trying to use her words to support your strawman argument. Interesting how that works, huh?

Personally, I think your attitude has to do with insecurity. When you (the general "you", not only you specifically) are young, you want to show everyone how "grown up" you are, but the only idea you have of what that means at that age is distancing yourself from the things that you liked when you were even younger, even if you still like them. When you do get older, you hopefully come to realise that there is no benefit to artificially restricting yourself and that life is too short to worry about putting up fronts and seeking approval from others about what you should and should not enjoy.
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PoppyAppletree: Incidentally, I once sat at a table in a nightclub and played Bravely Default on my 3DS. Three guys came up and tried to hit on me. It was quite funny, one of the guys was like "is it like Pokémon?"
Wish I had the courage to take a 3DS to a nightclub (If I had one). Stupid friends and their insistence on me socialising...

Also, so many of you turn out to be so old. Don't you have jobs and stuff? How come you're on here all day?! :D
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babark: Wish I had the courage to take a 3DS to a nightclub (If I had one). Stupid friends and their insistence on me socialising...

Also, so many of you turn out to be so old. Don't you have jobs and stuff? How come you're on here all day?! :D
Luckily, my job involves 'feast or famine'. Periods of time where there's a lot of work to be done, then periods of lulls. During the lulls, the manager is fine with us cruising the internet or doing whatever we like.