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rtcvb32: Coming Soon
I believe and trust you, heaps.
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rtcvb32: Shouldn't that be retroactive? At which point Al Gore, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, and a ton of others should be leaving first?
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tinyE: If I want shit from you I'll squeeze your head.
Yeah, he can't be a man because he doesn't smoke the same cigarette as you. lol
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Shadowstalker16: At the current rate, you're posting new stuff way too fast for us to discuss the points and find facts. If you want other people to even consider all the theories as truth, you must slow down the flow to the most important topics or most worrying claims he made and discuss them.
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rtcvb32: Things are accelerating. Still it is quite the mouthful. Posting the way I was partially was so a copy/paste of previous days/links can't be confused, plus you get some idea of the content of the video or have some of the articles easy on hand if you wanted to follow along with the video.

But some of the most important things posted.... Probably news of the <span class="bold">COG</span>/shadow government from <span class="bold">FBI</span> files, The Haiti disaster as it currently is after the storm (more to be posted today), and probably Voter fraud covered by the Veritas project (new stuff daily I think). Oh right, and the threat of WW3.

I really wish I noticed this and was following along for 1-2 years longer. Was more interested in gaming news. Still I'll be cooling it for a day or two, got dental stuff coming up and that takes me out for a day, and the debate I'll be watching most of it, 13 hours is too much to try and cover.
Ok, so some leaked emails allegedly from the FBI allegedly show that there is this thing called the shadow government that Hillary is trying to bring into force. The FBI is keeping quiet because Hillary has the whole organization in her pocket. They blindly trust that the emails released are actually from the FBI, as well as that all of the other stuff is true.

Firstly, if this provision for a shadow government did exist, why would it not be in the constitution?
The very concept of having this coup system defeats its purpose. If there was one, wouldn't a tyrannical ruler try to get rid of it? Why didn't Obama get rid of it and rule forever?
Most likely, in he even of a nuclear war, martial law / emergency will be declared (which is a provision that is actually present in most constitutions) and little more.

The facts they present aren't even close to being well sourced. Wikileaks needn't be correct 100% of the time, and all the other things won't add up. Most of it is hearsay man. Post the facts that make you think that is beyond all doubt the truth.
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Ariod: and if there is one thing Bernie has made clear to us, from the start, and consistenly throughout the campaign, is how he feels about Donald Trump. And to put it kindly, that would be something in the ballpark of "piece of shit".
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MaximumBunny: He only thought slightly better of Hillary though, and letting her and the DNC "Bern" him while still supporting them was pretty bad. I expected more fight from him to be honest. :P
Oh he is no fan of Hillary either, I agree on that. However the fact that he has thrown his support behind her now, even after getting unfair treatement during the primary, I think speaks to just how much he dislikes Trump. I'm absolutely certain he doesn't give a shit what the "party elite" think of him, since they more or less gave his campaign the back of their hand from the start. So this is completely his choice, if he considered both candidates equally bad I sure doubt he'd be on the road stumping for Clinton.

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Ariod: But one thing that ignores is the difference in terms of experience, temperment and intelligence, which leaves me with zero confidence that Trump would actually go through with anything he's tallking about.
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MaximumBunny: If you thought that he would, would your views of him change towards the positive (as a candidate at least)?
Well of course if I thought of he was as committed to his policies and agenda as Sanders is, for instance, well yeah that could only help for any candidate. But still in Trump's case I don't generally like a whole lot of what he says he wants to do anyhow, so it is a bit of a moot point.

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MaximumBunny: If Hillary had Trump's policies I'd be voting for her. That's how little I care about the candidates and how much I do for the policies. And contrary to popular belief, Trump is actually a very nice person. Hillary isn't that nice of a person off of the cameras. It's like they're reversed. So I don't think temperament or intelligence should be considered factors (they're both intelligent with tempers in varying situations).
Hey I can respect voting based on policy, normally I would as well - the trouble with doing that while deciding between *these* two candidates is I think both would be willing to say a whole lot in order to get elected, which they may very easily "forget" once in office. Given that, before I even think policy I have to think "character" - which yes, certainly includes temperament.

And I judge character based on actions - overall actions for the person, for their whole life. Clearly the newest things are the most relevant, but it's all part of the equation. And the overall impression I get from Trump's actions dating back to when I first heard of him in the early 90s or whenever, is that he is out for his own glorification more than anything else.

Oh but completely disagree on one point there - intelligence is a critical factor for a president . You have to be able to digest the facts and come to correct solutions based on that. Otherwise you're just throwing darts in the dark. This is especially important for the president, more than a senator, etc - I mean when a crisis hits this is the person who has to make quick, intelligent decisions. And here, after listening to both speak, Clinton wins out overwhelmingly every time for me.

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MaximumBunny: Trump has a history of giving money to disabled children and plane rides to veterans returning home
Ok now *that* seems to be a bit of a stretch. I'm aware of one plane ride to veterans. But not a whole lot of charitable giving. I haven't even heard his most vocal supporters, who are on the news constantly, trying to paint a picture of "Trump the philanthropist". In fact that's gotta be the first time I've heard or read that phrase I wrote there, hah... If there is a "history of giving" here on the level of other rich philanthropists, well, that would be the best kept secret of the election. I don't buy it - the news-show surrogates would have been working that angle all along.
I wanted you all to hear this first before it hits the media, but I'm coming forward with allegations that Trump groped me.
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Shadowstalker16: Ok, so some leaked emails allegedly from the FBI allegedly show that there is this thing called the shadow government that Hillary is trying to bring into force. The FBI is keeping quiet because Hillary has the whole organization in her pocket. They blindly trust that the emails released are actually from the FBI, as well as that all of the other stuff is true.

Firstly, if this provision for a shadow government did exist, why would it not be in the constitution?
The COG/Shadow Government (as I understand it) is a backup government in case the original was destroyed in Nuclear war. It would simply take over the old government and provide law and order and the constitution. However I'm guessing after a while the shadow government gets jealous it's not in control and stages a coup. Supposedly there was a shadow government setup with Hitler's regime too, and when they tried to assassinate and takeover, but failed. Alex laid it out and explained it.

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Shadowstalker16: Post the facts that make you think that is beyond all doubt the truth.
From my computer alone I doubt I could procure all the proofs and facts to remove all doubt. There's still a good few weeks, and there will be more and more data dumps containing probably even more damning information. Whether the 7th floor, or the Shadow Government, or anyone else is re-mentioned later I could only guess.
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rtcvb32: From my computer alone I doubt I could procure all the proofs and facts to remove all doubt. There's still a good few weeks, and there will be more and more data dumps containing probably even more damning information. Whether the 7th floor, or the Shadow Government, or anyone else is re-mentioned later I could only guess.
How?

So far the only thing you've been able to prove is that you're an asshole.

Now in your defense, you have done a VERY VERY VERY VERY good job of proving that. The evidence is incontrovertible. There simply is no refuting it. Nothing has ever been proven to the extent that you have proven this.
In fact, I dare say you are a genius for being able to prove you are an asshole to the extent that you have. Never was such a solid case made, never was so little ever left in doubt. There is no need for the jury retire here and the very thought that any deliberation could be required in this case is simply laughable.

I applaud you....asshole! :D
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Ariod: Given that, before I even think policy I have to think "character" - which yes, certainly includes temperament.

I mean when a crisis hits this is the person who has to make quick, intelligent decisions. And here, after listening to both speak, Clinton wins out overwhelmingly every time for me.
Well, based on temperament and intelligence I'd have to go with Trump still. When I listen to him I can guess exactly what responses he's thinking (even if it's "Wrrroooonnnggg..."). His being an open book makes it easier to trust him. He's actually predictable and authentic, not volatile and irrational. And America does need to be ran like a business, which he's very successful at.

With Hillary I only see pandering ("here's a story to try to hit at your heart...and let me subtly bring up my black friend Michelle Obama to counter claims of racism even though the media and viewers won't pick up on it"), or about her good deeds (which were required being her job, not philanthropy. You don't get rich having a job in public office while your country is an economic decline). And we know that in times of crisis (Benghazi) she has a history of leaving Americans to die. Her calm temperament is on camera only. I understand people think she has a better more professional image, but that's what politicians are trained to do like actors. She's just not a happy camper on the inside.

Her policies on Russia and Syria are troubling, and I'm surprised no one is concerned that she may shut down wikileaks or block US access from it and make a bill to illegalize anyone accessing it from here (CNN is already saying it's illegakl for anyone except news networks and law enforcement to see the emails), but overall she's already been part of the group that's been controlling us and the world for the past 3 decades. What could go wrong if their plans continue? :P

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Ariod: Ok now *that* seems to be a bit of a stretch. I'm aware of one plane ride to veterans. But not a whole lot of charitable giving. I haven't even heard his most vocal supporters, who are on the news constantly, trying to paint a picture of "Trump the philanthropist". In fact that's gotta be the first time I've heard or read that phrase I wrote there, hah... If there is a "history of giving" here on the level of other rich philanthropists, well, that would be the best kept secret of the election. I don't buy it - the news-show surrogates would have been working that angle all along.
All of the other news networks he's blasted writing good stuff about him? Yeah, I'm sure they want to write pro-Trump articles haha. It's not like any of it is really secret though given his public life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bY_QmA9Vu4
http://regated.com/2016/05/great-things-trump-done/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3449920/That-time-Donald-Trump-saved-family-farm-Widow-s-daughter-campaign-rally-recall-Donald-paid-mom-s-300-000-mortgage-father-committed-suicide.html
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/married-couple-helped-trump-after-his-limo-broke-down-what-he-did-next-is-amazing/

You have Trump the billionaire playboy that fires people and makes shocking comments, and then you have Trump the doesn't-want-to-nuke-everything?-what-is-this-I-don't-even guy who's a decent person. I can relate to him way more than Hillary can pretend to relate to me. But I just hope before election time comes they both adopt a bit more of the policies on the other sides so that our policies will be better balanced.
There are now now THREE certainties in life:

1) Death
2) Taxes
3) rtcvb32 is an asshole
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richlind33: .
Ha ha, you're low rated.

Ha ha.
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Kleetus: Ha ha, you're low rated.

Ha ha.
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Kleetus:
At the rate I'm going you'll be eating my dust in 3 months. lol
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tinyE: .
Not entirely sure if I like your new avatar.

For some reason, every time I look at it I start to itch around the pubis region.
I am the ghost of Christmas past.
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It would be awesome if we could do a GoG Christmas photo.

I want to stand next to you and have my photo taken.
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tinyE: There are now now THREE certainties in life:

1) Death
2) Taxes
3) rtcvb32 is an asshole
As one of your alts I have to correct you, there is a fourth one! or better the third one needs to be replaced, as I can bear witness that rtcvb32 did try to help, what the other one never did.
Post edited October 21, 2016 by Goodaltgamer