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General discussionIs Windows 10 the biggest threat to Steam & GOG?(269 posts)(269 posts)
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Posted November 03, 2015
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qwixter: Bears are the #1 threat
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tinyE: Not as long as they have Jay Cutler they aren't!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYfemLzDg6E
Posted November 03, 2015
No idea, I'm not using Windows.
Posted November 03, 2015
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lukaszthegreat: win 10 handles multiple displays much more comfortably than win 7.

that's a huge plus in my books.

other reason? not that special to be honest at least for user like me.
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hedwards: Yes, but Windows has had terrible support for that for as long as I can remember. It's improved, but it's rather embarrassing compared with the other options.

These days it's not so bad in absolute terms, but in relative terms it's quite far behind. I didn't really bother much with testing the 10 version, so hopefully things are better.
hows windows 10 multiple monitor support bad?
Posted November 03, 2015
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Klumpen0815: This Ballmer? :D
That's the one indeed. Have you seen the movie of the Employee Meeting where he goes in running and just keeps going round the stage? :)


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hedwards: I think you're vastly underestimating how dysfunctional MS has been. ... snip
Maybe. But you are kind of agreeing with me they are moving in a better direction and more focused. Considering they didn't really suffer much even while dysfunctional (stock was quite stable, market shares declined but far from collapse, cash cows still milking - and the one I think is critical, continued investment in Azure as competitor to AWS) I don't see a lot of downside now. The competitive landscape also shifted in their favor with Apple losing steam after Jobs' passing and Google, sorry Alphabet, continuing to be quite unfocused.

I mean, giving Win10 away for free was a brilliant move. The fact Win10 seems to be overall a pretty decent OS is cherry on the cake for them. All despite the dominant opinion here on GOG that Win10 is akin to a computer virus trying to infect us. :D
Posted November 03, 2015
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zeroxxx: No it's not. Once you upgrade and stay there, you can't reuse your original Windows.

You can, but it's a breach of EULA and thus it's piracy.
I'm going by the and the [url=http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/windows-10-recovery-options]recovery options, both of which state that you can go back to your old OS.

I can't look for the EULA at this time, so I would appreciate a link to it, especially the part where it says you lose your previous license.
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Gnostic: Problem is the software is not made by Microsoft and works against Microsoft interest. With forced update, Microsoft can break the functionality of it when they want.
Software is made by a Microsoft Gold Partner, and it uses functionality that's already there (registry editor, group policy, powershell). Yes, Microsoft can break such functionality, just as they can break shortcut functionality, or change how startup and shutdown works.

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Gnostic: Unlike Window 7 where it is stable and I stop updating it for months without problems,
True, no Windows 7 vulnerabilities have come out in the last few months *rolls eyes*
Post edited November 03, 2015 by JMich
Posted November 03, 2015
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As long as they do not break compatibility I feel pretty safe. Windows 10 won't be a threat but rather a supporter of Steam and GOG because Steam and GOG focus on selling PC games and on most PCs you'll have Windows 10 and as long as compatibility is not a problem all the games will run just fine.

I'm looking forward to install Windows 10 one day and playing Witcher 3.
Posted November 03, 2015
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hedwards: ...it looks like MS is going to allow non-genuine copies to upgrade to 10 for free ... if MS does actually do that...
They are already, one could have done such thing since the official launch.
I couldn't believe it myself, so I tested it on a laptop with a clean W7 install but without using my genuine W7 key, I used instead a well-known loader (the only one?) to activate W7, then I visited the official W7 genuine test page (only works with internet explorer) and the pirated activated W7 passed this test! And then I upgraded to W10 and it was genuine and activated too!
So yeah ...
Posted November 03, 2015
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zeroxxx: No it's not. Once you upgrade and stay there, you can't reuse your original Windows.

You can, but it's a breach of EULA and thus it's piracy.
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JMich: I'm going by the and the [url=http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/windows-10-recovery-options]recovery options, both of which state that you can go back to your old OS.

I can't look for the EULA at this time, so I would appreciate a link to it, especially the part where it says you lose your previous license.
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Gnostic: Problem is the software is not made by Microsoft and works against Microsoft interest. With forced update, Microsoft can break the functionality of it when they want.
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JMich: Software is made by a Microsoft Gold Partner, and it uses functionality that's already there (registry editor, group policy, powershell). Yes, Microsoft can break such functionality, just as they can break shortcut functionality, or change how startup and shutdown works.

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Gnostic: Unlike Window 7 where it is stable and I stop updating it for months without problems,
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JMich: True, no Windows 7 vulnerabilities have come out in the last few months *rolls eyes*
And in another month they will report new vulnerabilities, then the month after, and another month after. According to the trend in the site you link me to.

How can you depend on Microsoft to take care of the vulnerabilities like that? Won't a better solution is to not visit site you don't know and have backup to reformat in case things goes south?
Post edited November 03, 2015 by Gnostic
Posted November 03, 2015
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Gnostic: And in another month they will report new vulnerabilities, then the month after, and another month after. According to the trend in the site you link me to.

How can you depend on Microsoft to take care of the vulnerabilities like that? Won't a better solution is to not visit site you don't know and have backup to reformat in case things goes south?
It would be suicide for MS to not address known vulnerabilities - business customers wouldn't stand for that. As for new vulnerabilities every month, that's normal for any OS flavour of any era.

As the worms of the early 2000's showed, it's not enough to simply be careful in your habits. You can be compromised just by being connected to the internet. Not to mention that even supposedly safe sites can be hacked and become dangerous.
Posted November 03, 2015
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Gnostic: And in another month they will report new vulnerabilities, then the month after, and another month after. According to the trend in the site you link me to.

How can you depend on Microsoft to take care of the vulnerabilities like that? Won't a better solution is to not visit site you don't know and have backup to reformat in case things goes south?
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ncameron: It would be suicide for MS to not address known vulnerabilities - business customers wouldn't stand for that. As for new vulnerabilities every month, that's normal for any OS flavour of any era.

As the worms of the early 2000's showed, it's not enough to simply be careful in your habits. You can be compromised just by being connected to the internet. Not to mention that even supposedly safe sites can be hacked and become dangerous.
So any significant advantage to keep window updated to the latest version as opposed to just turn off windows update and use backup in case of reformat?

To make it clearer, will a user who diligently update windows when every patch comes out be much safer than a user who patch half a year or not at all?
Post edited November 03, 2015 by Gnostic
Posted November 03, 2015
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ncameron: It would be suicide for MS to not address known vulnerabilities - business customers wouldn't stand for that. As for new vulnerabilities every month, that's normal for any OS flavour of any era.

As the worms of the early 2000's showed, it's not enough to simply be careful in your habits. You can be compromised just by being connected to the internet. Not to mention that even supposedly safe sites can be hacked and become dangerous.
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Gnostic: So any significant advantage to keep window updated to the latest version as opposed to just turn off windows update and use backup in case of reformat?
Reformating is tedious and takes time, easier to keep windows updated through WSUS and to use Group Policy to turn off unwanted functions. YMMV of course.
SSD-s will die very quickly with that attitude and HDD-s are too slow for constant reformatting or reimaging (with either Norton Ghost or whatever program you like) of the computer IMHO
Post edited November 03, 2015 by dewtech
Posted November 03, 2015
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Gnostic: So any significant advantage to keep window updated to the latest version as opposed to just turn off windows update and use backup in case of reformat?
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dewtech: Reformating is tedious and takes time, easier to keep windows updated through WSUS and to use Group Policy to turn off unwanted functions. YMMV of course.
SSD-s will die very quickly with that attitude and HDD-s are too slow for constant reformatting or reimaging (with either Norton Ghost or whatever program you like) of the computer IMHO
Sorry if I am not clear, to make it clearer, will a user who diligently update windows when every patch comes out be much safer than a user who patch half a year or not at all?
Post edited November 03, 2015 by Gnostic
Posted November 03, 2015
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Gnostic: So any significant advantage to keep window updated to the latest version as opposed to just turn off windows update and use backup in case of reformat?
Reformatting probably takes time and you may loose some of your data (all since the last backup). In short: it's tedious.
Posted November 03, 2015
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dewtech: Reformating is tedious and takes time, easier to keep windows updated through WSUS and to use Group Policy to turn off unwanted functions. YMMV of course.
SSD-s will die very quickly with that attitude and HDD-s are too slow for constant reformatting or reimaging (with either Norton Ghost or whatever program you like) of the computer IMHO
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Gnostic: Sorry if I am not clear, to make it clearer, will a user who diligently update windows when every patch comes out be much safer than a user who patch half a year or not at all?
Safe from whom? From Microsoft or other hackers? ;)
Pick one.
Post edited November 03, 2015 by Klumpen0815
Posted November 03, 2015
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Gnostic: Sorry if I am not clear, to make it clearer, will a user who diligently update windows when every patch comes out be much safer than a user who patch half a year or not at all?
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Klumpen0815: Safe from whom? From Microsoft or other hackers? ;)
Pick one.
Well I think even if i update diligently, I am not much safer from other hackers compare to a user who don't update.

If my logic is sound, why should I let Microsoft have a free pass to my PC?
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