Thank you for the correction. It seems I'm not familiar enough with the lore. My special forces comment was directed at the word "fabulously", which I don't believe was an arbitrary word that he just happened to use.

I guess I can just post it here, as I wound up touching a little bit on it in my last post anyway. The significance this thread has for me is that it has given me a voice where I might not have had one before. When I first played the game and saw what happened with Dethmold, it truly made me very uncomfortable in a way that goes beyond great story telling that SHOULD make the reader/movie watcher/gamer feel that way. I wanted to express how I felt, but I wasn't quite willing to start a thread about it myself.

It also makes me happy that things have progressed to a point that I CAN have a voice like this. Even as recently as the 1990s, when I was a teenager, bringing up something like this or complaining about it around my peers would have gotten me, at best, nearly universal ridicule, but more likely than that, a good punch in the face and a nice bloody nose. Granted this is the internet and not real life, but I still think of these things when subjects related to the theme of homosexuality are brought up, because sadly things are not anywhere near perfect yet and there are still problems. That being said, (I seem to be saying "that being said" a lot) I feel safe expressing myself here in a way that I did not when I was between the ages of 12 and 18. I fully expect a few people to make fun of me for this post, but I know it won't be as near as many people as it probably would have been back in 1992 and I was 15 years old. Sadly there is still a lot of bullying of gay kids and other kids that are seen as "different" that goes on in schools and colleges though. Which brings me to the next part of this post.

As for what you say about your feelings that homosexuality and heterosexuality are completely equal and "when a bad character in a videogame happens to be a homosexual, it should not matter to the slightest", I fully agree with you. It shouldn't. And it wouldn't in a perfect world where everyone felt the way that you do. If this world WAS perfect like that, I probably wouldn't have felt the discomfort that I did when I experienced this aspect of the game. It isn't perfect like that though. And there are those who play this game that are younger and more impressionable than I am. Some of them may be gay, in an age where there is a LOT of bullying that goes on, bullying that has led to teen and young adult suicides.

I am not trying to be an alarmist here or suggest that the way Dethmold was handled in chapter 3 will lead to suicides, but I am trying to illustrate exactly why this world isn't as kind and balanced as you personally are. Also, I just think this sort of thing was not necessary to the story and if it made me feel as uncomfortable as it did, there may be others who feel even worse about it.

Bottom line is that CDProjektRED has the right to make their games any way they please. I do not feel a sense of entitlement that they should make their games the way that I think they should be made. But I also feel that I have the right to express how I feel about what they do and what i might have liked to see differently or what I might like to see added in future installments for the sake of balance. I have a very very small hope that maybe a day will come where they might take it into consideration. You have mentioned that the writers do not read this thread. That may be true, but I know that people that are part of the GOG team have, and GOG is owned by CDProkektRED and that is at least something.

Edit: And I am very appreciative of the fact that you see homosexuals and heterosexuals as equals. Thank you.

Of course they are equal. I never understood how some people on earth can think differently. What we need are more homosexual heroes/heroines in books/comics/movies/games. People aren't bold enough to dare it often enough.

True, really enjoyed Midnight and Apollo in Authority, and I can't recall any other example of it being done right.

I would enjoy that, though I think several posters here at GOG wouldn't be so thrilled. lol

Actually, I'm pretty sure that is exactly what an audience is supposed to do with art.

Good point.

I am bumping this, because I have been thinking - only from time to time of course - these four years if the third game might have moved forward.

Mancubs are fine gamers, and so are Girlcubs; and Gaycubs of either persuasion.

I do not think Detmold had to pop those pimples or rape a slave; and while he is not a real life character - he was written by someone who was or some whom were.

This was four years. I was quite devastated by some outright nasty opinions back then - I thought gamers were nice`in general, and happy for others to love gaming.

Anyone upgraded their opinions, since then?

I only came across this thread today while searching for a completely different topic. Although it might make you worry that a lot of gamers are insensitive to how gay people are portrayed, I have to wonder how many of them were simply young people who, by their nature, were not yet mature enough not to resent someone asking them to evaluate their favorite games more critically.

And while The Witcher 2 troubled you, I think TStael, DarkZephyr and company can take heart overall. Appeals to "Biblical truth", straw man arguments, and accusing gay advocates of political correctness didn't win this thread, and they are likewise losing in "real life" to love, reason, and humor. Games, the folks who play them (inc. gaymers!), and society overall have quickly become more diverse and gay-friendly--even more so since you started this thread in 2011. It's going to get harder for global game companies not to reflect that in their products.

IKEA Switzerland automated HR could learn from this Troll - or IKEA HR global, maybe..?

Anyone here applied for a job with IKEA, and got a superbly cheesy message outside CH? "I almost cry tears over rejecting you, but really, really, I had to, because it is my job as HR automatic filter" and all that... ;-)

I reply to this, besides enjoying the above post as per my Finnish sense of humour to point out:
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- I am an agnostic at best, and an atheist at worst, but nonetheless I admire Jesus (of Nazareth or Christ, take yer pick, eh).

So quoting "biblical truths" even as an automated troll unto an actual, personal and strongly felt criticism about TW2 - which was an act of love for gaming - bothers me, as it might amuse me. And also I think you do sell Jesus sort.

Dethmold did not have to be a hit parade of negative gay clichés to be an impressive bad gay: pimple popping, anyone? And did the feller in his comeuppance scene have to be a rape victim, and not a lover? CD Project Red evolved and found its success in a country strongly homophobic - so when we put this in topical context, would it not have been more cool handed to go against the tide, eh? ;-)

And as to Jesus - there is not a single attributed view on homosexuality. However, you might know he brought forth parable of Good Samaritan, and moral challenge of Throwing the First Stone (the adulterous woman). I cannot say I admire u quoting anything "biblical."

What think u - are trolls like these intended to make some persons look like morons? Or why on earth are they there??? I see no commercial opportunity... So why??

And yuup, I still think Dethmold was a bad, and in balance of probabilities, homophobic call on part on CD Project RED. :-)

People really do need to grasp the fundamental difference between characters in a story and the author's own politics. Sometimes fucked up shit looks like fucked up shit and makes you think "shit, that's fucked up" precisely because the author is trying to provoke that reaction in people - that these things are unacceptable. Either that or it's in there simply because it's true of the period and / or environment being depicted.

This is a particularly common misconception in literature. The problem with sheer volume of young adult novels out there right now that are little more than the author's power fantasies (or a soulless attempt to appeal to the power fantasies of their target audience) is that people seem to have grown up under the impression that all novels are like this. To a lesser extent this misconception seems to apply to film and games, as the case is here.

Oh wait. Necro. Totally missed that until it's too late.

Um, you should probably be aware that you're being offensive toward someone who's agreeing with you.

And if you still think CDPR is homophobic, I wonder how you can maintain that belief after Witcher 3 included positive homosexual characters. It really seems like nothing more than inventing bad guys to fight against for the sake of sanctimony.

I am not in fact sorry to say: if someone formulaically "agrees" with me while being a troll - fouk that!

I would rather that someone disagreed with my values cum opinions; as long as I think this be genuine opinion. I do not shift my views very easily but it has happed (Steam...) - but being persuaded and disagreeing with someone who is sincere is quite ok.

Meanwhile, I love gaming - and exactly therefore have never been able to replay TW2 after observing "the faggot Dethmold" "eat hid balls,"

So unkindly it is stated in youtube, give or take.

I know because I felt so bad of the original discussion, I felt I had to ask a dear friend if I was a prig about the pimple popping and genitalia mutilation and throat cutting:

http://www.gog.com/forum/general/is_the_witcher_2_anti_gay

She thought I was alright that I could not take it, and that the Dethmold genitalia cutting was not very amiable.

And be TW3 "nice-'y'" - I should be pleased if it were because not all of us liked the pokemon attitude to women in the first game; nor the Dethmold business in the next. I hope it could be because a lot of gamers like inclusiveness - but also, u just might be shitting it.

Cannot comment on TW3 as I am boycotting it because of the characterization of Dethmold in TW2¨.

And based on reviews (@gg activists - independent, think u? I have never seen TW2 commercial evaluation bother about Dethmold "faggot eat dick" btw:-)) it never seemed to mater.

How is he a troll?