This whole body compatibility thing has always confounded me, as to me it seems like something that's used very selectively. For example, I could say that I think it's unnatural and wrong to use your thumb to press a button in the elevator, because opposable thumbs are for gripping branches and picking up fruit or something. Saying that the need to use tools for something proves it to be wrong would suggest that my trip to Japan a few years back was a massive wrongdoing, because I did not fly there using the expected functions of my body.

Also, if the bodies aren't compatible, why on Earth does it still work? I mean, normally neither homosexual courtship nor sex involves any kind of witchcraft. This all makes me wonder, do allergies mean that a person who is allergic to, say, birch is sinning and committing deviant acts when he's inhaling birch pollen? His body is certainly suggesting there's an incompatibility.

Quite simply observe the wonders of our bodies as male and female beings interacting with each other (not literally look at porn as implied later on the thread, observe as consider..) the natural purpose of the organs and fluids (semen, sexual lubrication..) and every aspects of male and female psychology and aspirations coming together to fit perfectly for a healthy, satisfying and fulfilling relationship for both genders and persons in a sound, smooth, natural way and more so potentially create new LIFE, LIVES, FAMILIES..

Biological nature do not lie about our genders & sexual organs real meaning and functions. As for male homosexuality the "usual" mean of "union" is anal intercourse "replacing" the female vagina.. AFAIK the rectum does not lubricate naturally, proof enough of the deviant, unnatural purpose of such an harmful act.. Anus muscles are NORMALLY meant to push out excrements as part of our bodies digestive system nothing less, nothing more! However, anal sex is "permissible" between married man and woman, though not condoned, either..

Lesbianism / Female homosexuality is a whole different thing but not any less a SIN, impartially.. It sometimes resort on toys to "replace" the male phallus in unnatural situations, but more often remains "soft" by the lack of it in female anatomy.. While a lot less "shocking" and socially condemned than male homosexuality, because at first sight it's "sexy" and "cute" to witness for men viewers, compared to "gay sex" where a man "flirt" and / or is being penetrated by another male which is simply unthinkable and humiliating, dishonoring to submit to another man in such a way as any self-respecting religion, culture, society, common sense and REASONABLE MAN goes, sorry to say..

The result of both gay and lesbian sexual acts is still the same, breaking the true purpose of our bodies and genders natural ways for "shameful lusts", instead of respecting and following, honoring their Godly design.. Simple as that, sexual organs just can't function normally with a same-sex partner, as there is no sexual union possible with a missing sexual organ, corresponding way to fit in.. Trying further is unrealistic and unreasonable, please don't educate and / or harm your body for sexual fantasies! The anus and toys are NOT actual sexual organs, even if they "work" to pleasurable ends..

Now, really the ONLY problem here is MORAL. Scripture doesn't say homosexuality doesn't "feel" good, as our bodies are designed to respond to stimulation with pleasure, the Bible says it isn't RIGHT. For Hebrews in their time, homosexual acts were a criminal offense and God's Law required the death penalty for both partners. I just share a FACT, the Biblical God is judging same gender sexual intimacy as a SIN, ie ALWAYS MORALLY WRONG for missing His design / Will for human relations and sexuality.. However not an unforgivable sin, Jesus Christ came and died specifically to reverse the curse of the Law. That is not to say practicing homosexuality is in any way accepted by God now, it is indeed ALWAYS A SIN! No more death penalty is required by God for sexual immorality in this life, BUT by far worst, the loss of God's favor in Eternal Life is "promised" for unrepentant sinners, whatever their sin(s) of choice..

I can only pray, turn back to God and be forgiven by faith in the sacrifice of Christ, and LIVE FREE from the slavery of SIN! Such is one Scripture objective truth, my part is done here as a believer and messenger by sharing the Gospel, you do what you will of it, and I now legitimately wash my hands and shake the dust off my feet. To each their own personal, moral accountability before God.. Amen.

Like officer Reinikainen suggested a long time ago in the classic TV-series "Tankki Täyteen" ("fill it up"), man's dick should be in his forefinger, while woman's vagina should be in her shoulder.

Helps a man to pee from the window while he is driving, and also gives a whole new level to tapping some unknown woman in public to the shoulder, in order to ask for directions etc. (And yes, Juhana made a very good point that how is the woman supposed to pee from the the window of a car then, by putting her whole arm outside? But that's rather irrelevant from the male viewpoint.)

Sometimes it just feels god was a bit stupid.

I know this is your belief and everything, but I always feel an urge to take a humongous club so I can beat someone to death when a person says this, because that's simply not true. Animals with sufficient intelligence actually are very much self-aware and saying they're not would be degrading them. (Want examples? Dolphins or wolves are not only self-aware as far as human limited knowledge of a brain goes, they're even capable of 'higher' emotions. It amuses me how much are people capable of underestimating animals even when faced with clear evidence.)

Sorry, it just really irks me when someone suggests in any way that animals are any less than human - I know that Christian teaching very much lead to this (and it's something that I'll never forgive them,) but this very much leads to people reducing something as amazing as living being to mere objects with no feelings or real ability. Going offtopic here, sorry for that.

Aaaanyway, to the other points: Yes, homosexuality is not that common in nature. But it is there, and that's the important bit. Even if one animal, on one small island in the most remote location of the earth would go with homosexual practices, that alone would make it natural.

I LOVE animals, sorry if I expressed myself the wrong way, I am French and my English lacks vocabulary sometimes.. I meant as Human people we are obviously "evolved animals" from primates and mammals, what makes us Humans is our UNIQUE ability to look back on ourselves and our actions (and other people's..) on a moral level, upbringing self-improvement, among other traits.. Self awareness was not the correct word you are right, as many animals, take example of certain dogs can be trained to do so much good and save lives from drowning and the likes.. Apologies to our pets friends!

As for your last sentence, no single, isolated animal could practice homosexual activity without other animals of the same race and gender around, also it would prove nothing as they are not subjected to morals and ethics unlike us, anyway.. Because we need to "feel" worthy of existing and living, that animals do not care about and all lives are not equals between species.. Yes, we are so much more than animals for so many reasons, like it or not! The most for Humankind being the image of God in the sense of being capable of the same Love, Justice, Wisdom than God to a certain extent, the image not being the original nonetheless..

Edit : Sorry for the off topic, keep on discussing the Witcher 2.. :)

New Edit : As i do not wish to bump this thread, I edit my last post, just to mention to @DarkZephyr stating it is "none of my business" to can tell word, if you do not believe in God and the Bible teachings then fine, have it your way if you are not Christian or any religious in any way I indeed have nothing to say! But you, yourself are just one person. When you are promoting, defending, legitimating your homosexuality on public forums it eventually become my business, sorry to say.. Even more so my right and eventually MY DUTY to speak out if you are engaged in a homosexual relationship with a person that might be a Christian.. If YOU do not believe our human bodies as temples of the Holy Spirit, well I do and defend them as a whole, even yours. Quoting Paul, "You are not your own".. How any less one another could be yours, outside of the covenant of Biblical Marriage.. Playing the devil's advocate only get you so far, and mind you it is not fun and games. It makes you enemy of God no less!

How do you think we were born, if not by the grace of the union of our respective parents, and our bodies holding their combined genes are Holy for that natural reason alone if you do not believe in God, just consider the sacrifices they made for us to come to existence, and raise us as a son or a daugther..

Whatever you claim as an argument, the Scriptures are speaking few but clearly about the homosexual behavior being identified and defined as a sin and that is it, God judged about it already and have set the matter at rest for believers.. I consider it to be the perversion of same-sex relations and friendship to a deviant form of the real conjugal relationship, confusing and inverting our different genders roles as male and female, denying and defying their purposes as being meant for each other by God, THIS is the "abomination".. Period.

I make it clear for no confusion, homosexual love and feelings can be genuine, admirable and valuable in tenderness and care just as much as any heterosexual relationship could be, and not any more perverted or despicable than heterosexual love and feelings could be! Love as the Bible teaches is compassion, charity, care, respect and I know it can be found in both our lives and our relationships to others just the same, as we are not so different as human beings, if not at all at least biologically. I don't reduce Love to sexual acts at all, yet homosexual acts are the sins I call for what they are, sexual immorality. You can indeed love without sexual acts and this is what is being expected of you actually, if you are going through homosexual tendencies!

Sexual acts are meant exclusively for the spouses within the Biblical Marriage, as a mirror of the relationship of God with us, His people and symbol of the sacrifice of Christ for us, His Church.. Monogamous, because such Love is exclusive and undivided, personal and intimate, jealous and protective. Heterosexual, because it is impartial against any discrimination, just and fair to both genders equally as the answer to our complementary spiritual, affective, sexual needs providing well being and growth for both genders and persons united together as one flesh, one Humanity.. Blessed, because our traditional family cell is the basis and model for our societies, also eventually blessed with children to be born as offsprings of their union.

Any sexual activity deviant from that law I explained above is breaking God's wishes for us, and is a sin.. Fornication, adultery, prostitution, exhibitionism, pornography, lustful masturbation, homosexuality, incest, bestiality, pedophilia.. Sexual immorality as it is, and I surely don't know or forget some.. Because we are living beings of separate genders with each their own natural ways and graces for a complementarity reason, homosexuality is a sin. Because we are human beings able to judge actions and situations from morals and ethics, homosexuality is Wrong.

As for Christians to step on people's "rights" for Marriage and adoptions, ask yourself THIS first and foremost : Are my claims legitimate from an ethical, moral standpoint..? The Bible values are the proven highest standard for any moral or ethical judgment and decision to take, Marriage is originally by no means a civil or social right but a religious institution, you are stepping on it yourself by chosing a same-sex partner. As for adopting children it is a social right but more so an ethical question and moral issue, the balance of traditional family cell being the norm for raising kids you are again stepping on your legitimate rights by yourself chosing a same-sex partner, the impossibility of having children being a logical consequence for same-sex "couples", unable of genuine sexual union indeed!

I don't pretend to know more or to be better, I sin in my own ways too, unfortunately.. I do not like it either when another person, more so a complete stranger jump in my boat to tell me how to live and to lead my life..! Though, more often than not we are being "corrected" for good reasons by people caring for us and our well being, and this is the point I am trying to make here.. As I am not doing my preach to put the blame on you and homosexual people but to try and "save" you with them, along with me, from homosexuality if there are suffered tendencies, as I really care! Morals and ethics are not for us to set and mess with according to our liking just to clean up our conscience from the guilt of our sins, and shall I remind you it is the Original Sin to try and tell the Right from the Wrong, stealing that role from God and being punished for it, not by God but our own defiance leading to Death.. His Word reveals the Good and the Evil as absolutes, and so does His Church in our lives for our guidance, today. Believe it or not, like it or not, they are the norms before, now and later, forever.

If you think the Author of Life has no Authority over you, then you are digging your own grave. Knowing that, if you STILL decide to practice your homosexuality with a defiant "pride", since it is proven not to be a compulsive disease either mental or congenital, you are being held accountable for your actions as an adult. Pushing on social conventions for civil solidarity pact for homosexual "pairs" (which is legitimate as a matter of financial protection) is one thing, pushing on morals and ethics for Marriage, adoptions and our purposes as men and women is a different story and where I stand against you, because you reject what is designed by God as naturally fitting and cover up the Truth which brought us all to LIFE, purposely or indirectly, the outcome is such..

We are all sinners and homosexual acts are a sin, one is only "doomed" by rejecting God's GRACE to SAVE.. Everyone is at the exact same number of steps away from salvation, that is owning up to our mistakes and begging God for forgiveness in the name of Jesus Christ, receiving His Holy Spirit to support us along the way at all time, helping us to live a life that glorifies God and not anymore selfish ones rebel to His Word and Ways.. Amen.

That said, bless you!

Last Edit : Sorry for the off topic AGAIN, please keep on discussing the Witcher 2!!

I feel this discussion is going to go through the usual script, but anyway...

There are barren people too. Women that have gone through menopause, etc. They cannot create life, and it's a built in thing, so is heterosexual intercourse a deviancy for them? Someone might need meds to get an erection. Suppose there's a married straight couple, and the woman is already pregnant. Further sex during that time will not get her more pregnant, but under these conditions sex is bad if it isn't for creating life, so barring misfortune, a married couple should have sex like once a year, max. I just don't get why a situation that is similar enough to creating life is acceptable even if the creation of life is an impossibility in it, when it is considered to be so important that sex is for creating life.

There are quite a few widely accepted acts that go against the usual functions of things, be it within or without a body. The rib is there to keep things away from the heart and whatnot, but heart surgeries disregard that. Baby bottles usually try and simulate nipples, as I've understood it. You could say that keeping a baby alive is a long time investment to make some more life. Suppose the mother met a tragic end. If the need to use a tool for something suggests deviancy, the father must find some capable woman for the breastfeeding. Sounds unreasonable to me. Is sexuality somehow special so that the rules only apply to it, and if so, why?

no (heterosexual) brown wings for you then?
this made me lol

No thanks, I myself am not into straight pornography and furthermore, I am not interested in other people's bedroom practices. I only worry about my own.

But all of this is none of your business, Koima57. You should be concerning yourself with your own bedroom activities and not other people's.

I just find it sad for you that you reduce love to sexual acts. Love is so much more than that.

Why do certain Christians spend SO much time worrying about what other people do in their bedrooms? I know you guys claim that its because of a concern for our souls, but there are other things that are considered sinful by the authors of the Bible that Christians do not spend anywhere NEAR as much time, energy, or even finances grousing about and trying to step on people's marriage and adoption rights over. Or caring about if its portrayed in video games, for that matter.

Ancient Christianity and the majority of modern Christendom considers divorce and remarriage a sin, yet I doubt Christian gamers would complain about a video game with a divorced and remarried character in it. I KNOW for a fact that these same Christians that believe divorce and remarriage is sinful do not try to legislate the legality of marriage after divorce. Ancient Christianity and over half of modern Christianity considers contraception a sin, yet I don't see any of them trying to legislate that, either. None of these Christians scream at the top of their lungs when divorced and remarried people adopt either. This is why I do not buy it at all when a Christian tells me that they vote the way they do and complain the way they do because they are concerned with my soul, or because they are concerned with the morality being displayed in video games or on TV or in books, etc. Otherwise they would be putting an equal amount of energy on contraception and divorce and remarriage and other "sins" as well. But they do not do this.

So to bring this conversation back on topic, why don't these same people who have such a problem with the concept of positive gay male characters being in the series bi*ch to the high heavens over Geralt's womanizing and sex outside of the confines of marriage? Over his having sex when he cannot possibly procreate?

Why be sorry? Its gone way off topic anyway.

Because I went off topic of the offtopic :D

Well, at least what you had to say was highly interesting. :)

Sooooo, I thought this thread was about orgies?

That thread is two doors down.

perhaps it is best to forget about this thread

I'm gay too, and like many others, I understand the significance of this thread and do not intend to forget it any time soon, even if I stop posting in it.