Posted September 03, 2022

Trooper1270
Baldrick!, do we have any milk ?...
Registered: Apr 2014
From United Kingdom

Lone_Scout
Argy "the cook" - halfling
Registered: Aug 2014
From Spain
Posted September 03, 2022
Short answer: yes
Long answer: yeeeees, because... *reasons*
Long answer: yeeeees, because... *reasons*

Cavalary
RIP GoodOldGOG:DRMfree,one price,goodies,community
Registered: May 2011
From Romania
Posted September 03, 2022
high rated
Well, in truth they did also lock some obvious, specific threads about Steam or Epic right after they announced the policy about linking to other stores. The itch one still exists, though it's been inactive since just before that policy announcement (hope I didn't just point it out to them now...), but do say that scouring itch for good games should be something for GOG to make a point of doing, in order to try to get distribution rights for them too, so maybe that one could even help them.
About the ZP one, that had devolved into a flame war these days, and quite frankly T4T, that's on you for continuing to engage in it. Sure, it's hard, but should have just ignored the provocations after the first few messages. But there is also the issue of posting about any new release or other news on ZP on there, which would understandably fall foul of advertising rules, going well beyond discussing another store. I mean, copying that recent post about EA/Codemasters rights should have been a fair post I'd say, but (also) posting that they had just released another game, not so much. Again, not that I agree with this rule, but I can understand it.
And also understand the comments here that you should have asked this privately and then posted the reply if you wanted it public. Posting on the forum invites discussion on the forum, with other users, and mods/admins will always frown on that happening when it comes to rules (unless they're the ones opening the discussion, of course). It can be done if you want to show that there's massive support to request a rule change, but in this case you don't have it and that should have been obvious from the get go, so a public discussion can only harm.
About the ZP one, that had devolved into a flame war these days, and quite frankly T4T, that's on you for continuing to engage in it. Sure, it's hard, but should have just ignored the provocations after the first few messages. But there is also the issue of posting about any new release or other news on ZP on there, which would understandably fall foul of advertising rules, going well beyond discussing another store. I mean, copying that recent post about EA/Codemasters rights should have been a fair post I'd say, but (also) posting that they had just released another game, not so much. Again, not that I agree with this rule, but I can understand it.
And also understand the comments here that you should have asked this privately and then posted the reply if you wanted it public. Posting on the forum invites discussion on the forum, with other users, and mods/admins will always frown on that happening when it comes to rules (unless they're the ones opening the discussion, of course). It can be done if you want to show that there's massive support to request a rule change, but in this case you don't have it and that should have been obvious from the get go, so a public discussion can only harm.

CarnethystPhoenix
New User
Registered: Nov 2020
From United States
Posted September 03, 2022

2. If so, I assume that will also apply to any discussions/mention of Steam, Epic and other stores as well (for consistency)?
3. If not, to what extent are we allowed to discuss other stores, without it veering into 'advertising'. Where is the line there?
They did this with the thread for ZOOM.
Post edited September 03, 2022 by FrostburnPhoenix

BreOl72
GOG is spiralling down
Registered: Sep 2010
From Germany

CarnethystPhoenix
New User
Registered: Nov 2020
From United States

Time4Tea
Free speech and honey!
Registered: Jan 2015
From United States
Posted September 03, 2022

2. If so, I assume that will also apply to any discussions/mention of Steam, Epic and other stores as well (for consistency)?
3. If not, to what extent are we allowed to discuss other stores, without it veering into 'advertising'. Where is the line there?

No, they locked the Zoom thread earlier today, rather than simply removing links.
Post edited September 03, 2022 by Time4Tea

Gudadantza
New User
Registered: Aug 2010
From Spain
Posted September 03, 2022




Time4Tea
Free speech and honey!
Registered: Jan 2015
From United States
Posted September 03, 2022

https://www.gog.com/forum/general/zoom_platform/post243 (from December 09, 2020)
Quote: "I signed up for Zoom Platform and I've moved a bunch of games from my GOG wishlist to my ZP wishlist:"
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/zoom_platform/post244 (from December 22, 2020)
Quote: "I bought the following games on Zoom Platform over the past couple of days:"
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/zoom_platform/post256 (from January 04, 2021)
Quote: "Of course, if you grab them for free somewhere else, you're not supporting Zoom Platform and helping them grow."
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/zoom_platform/post258 (from January 04, 2021)
Quote: "I'm not saying you have to do anything. It's obviously up to you what you do with your money. But, much of this thread has been about discussing Zoom Platform as a possible alternative to GOG, so I am just pointing out (the obvious) that they aren't going to grow into a viable alternative if people don't buy the games they are offering."
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/zoom_platform/post261 (from January 04, 2021)
Quote: "Right. I have purchased 3 games on there so far, downloaded them and they all work great. I bought a $3 game as a test case first, to make sure it was legit. I have the offline installers backed up - if ZP ceases to exist tomorrow, it will have no impact on my ability to play the games I've bought. That's what DRM-free is all about.
There is really no risk whatsoever in giving them a try."
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The day after that, you opened your "boycott GOG" thread:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/boycotting_gog_2021/post1 (from January 05, 2021)
I won't quote anything from there.
That was a Tuesday. On Sunday of the same week, you were back in the Z... thread:
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/zoom_platform/post277 (from January 10, 2021)
Quote: "I don't think it seems strange at all that ZP's website is fairly simplistic, given they are a small store that is struggling to gain traction and get off the ground. They don't have the resources to invest a lot of time/effort in their website.
To me, it seems stranger that GOG's website is so bad, given how much bigger a business they are and the fact they are backed by a relatively large public corporation."
However, it's pretty clear from my posts on pages 12-13 of that thread, that I had only just discovered Zoom at that time - December 9th is when I bought my first games there. The boycott thread was started about a month later and it certainly wasn't due to any sort of affiliation with Zoom. The boycott thread was not a consequence of me being a Zoom user, but the two things shared the same cause, which was dissatisfaction with GOG's direction and recent decisions (which it seems many other GOG users shared).
The boycott thread is clearly about GOG, not Zoom. However, I will go through the first post and make sure there aren't any references to Zoom there, so that it is compliant with the rules.
Another thing I'd like to mention is that all of those quotes you linked are from almost 2 years ago and the GOG forum rules have changed since then. Back then, it was commonplace for people to talk about and link to other stores. In fact, there was a thread running for several years specifically about linking to other stores, which was locked after the rule change. So, I think it is a little unreasonable to compare comments I made 2 years ago with the current forum rules, which have since changed. I have not posted any direct links to Zoom since the rules changed on that.

But it is hard to blame them, as they were in a kind of no win situation, a situation that had gotten out of control.
That said, the links that the MOD were referring to certainly weren't recent, so that was disingenuous of them, especially as all of us who cared about that thread, have been deliberately avoiding posting links since GOG notified their new intent about such. And it's not like that thread was hidden away, it was in plain sight, and left alone by mods until now.
As is often the case, the Bully Brigade win.
It could have been a mature discussion, but it wasn't.
The baggage should have been left on Discord.
The Zoom Platform thread was for those of us who cared about the game situation there and supporting another DRM-Free game store, but not at GOGs diminishment or loss, certainly not in my case.
GOG in any case could just as easily edit and remove offending links in a thread, rather than locking a thread because some numskull posted a link to a game at another store.
Post edited September 03, 2022 by Time4Tea

darkangelz
Walk in shadows
Registered: Sep 2011
From Portugal
Posted September 03, 2022
From the Coc linked earlier:
"All decisions with regards to post moderation (edits and deleting) and user warnings are made by GOG Staff or GOG Community Moderators, whereas thread locking, temporary and permanent bans are made by GOG Staff. In both cases they are final and not up for discussion. However, constructive criticism and suggestions are welcome, provided they are directed to the forum moderators and not disputed within the forum itself.
If you are confused about any particular action taken that involves you, please contact us."
I don't think its hard to understand what should have been done instead of making this trhead.
"All decisions with regards to post moderation (edits and deleting) and user warnings are made by GOG Staff or GOG Community Moderators, whereas thread locking, temporary and permanent bans are made by GOG Staff. In both cases they are final and not up for discussion. However, constructive criticism and suggestions are welcome, provided they are directed to the forum moderators and not disputed within the forum itself.
If you are confused about any particular action taken that involves you, please contact us."
I don't think its hard to understand what should have been done instead of making this trhead.

paladin181
Cheese
Registered: Nov 2012
From United States
Posted September 03, 2022
high rated
I'm sorry for derailing this discussion. It is not about Time4Tea specifically and I made it more about him. For that, I truly apologize. I didn't intend to be antagonistic, but I see now that my posts definitely came across that way. I stand by my statements, but this was not the place to address it. My humble apologies to you, Time4Tea for this. I know you're not a bad guy and despite our disagreements we've had cordial conversation before. I'm terribly sorry. I wouldn't want this kind of scrutiny into my own forum activity.

wolfsite
Canadian
Registered: Sep 2010
From Canada
Posted September 03, 2022
As many have said you need to have a pm with a gog blue, we are merely forum users so at best you would get several interpretations of what is aloud but only a blue can lay out what you specifically want.

Namur
Malkavian
Registered: Oct 2008
From Portugal
Posted September 03, 2022
high rated
You aren't looking out for everyone, you are looking out for yourself.
You are not a member of this community, you're a plant, for a competing platform, who disingenuously keeps on trying to cause disruption and divert custom elsewhere. You couldn't care less about gog or its community, you are here for your own $elfish, $elf-$erving rea$ons.
The "boycott" thread should have been locked eons ago since right form the get go, in the op, there was advertising and a clear attempt to divert custom to a competing platform YOU'RE IN BED WITH. - you can edit it all you want, see att. pic.
It's High time you and the rest of the plants took a hike, buddy.
As for the rules, this is a privately held public venue, at any given time, regardless of COC's et all for guests, the hosts will only put up with what they feel like putting up with - and if you ask me they've put up with the lot of you plants considerably more than they should have.
You are not a member of this community, you're a plant, for a competing platform, who disingenuously keeps on trying to cause disruption and divert custom elsewhere. You couldn't care less about gog or its community, you are here for your own $elfish, $elf-$erving rea$ons.
The "boycott" thread should have been locked eons ago since right form the get go, in the op, there was advertising and a clear attempt to divert custom to a competing platform YOU'RE IN BED WITH. - you can edit it all you want, see att. pic.
It's High time you and the rest of the plants took a hike, buddy.
As for the rules, this is a privately held public venue, at any given time, regardless of COC's et all for guests, the hosts will only put up with what they feel like putting up with - and if you ask me they've put up with the lot of you plants considerably more than they should have.

Ruvika
TTRPGs Aficionado
Registered: Apr 2020
From Argentina
Posted September 03, 2022

1. Is it now prohibited to talk about other game stores on the GOG forum?
2. If so, I assume that will also apply to any discussions/mention of Steam, Epic and other stores as well (for consistency)?
3. If not, to what extent are we allowed to discuss other stores, without it veering into 'advertising'. Where is the line there?
Again, I am not trying to start an argument and I will not reply to any posts that intend to be rude or flaming. I am merely asking for clarification of the forum rules.
I would very much appreciate some clarification on this from a GOG staff member.

Time4Tea
Free speech and honey!
Registered: Jan 2015
From United States
Posted September 03, 2022

A simple question: Is it not allowed any more to talk about other game stores on the GOG forum? If so, that's fine and I will observe the rules. But, I would like to know where the line is.
And let's not single out Zoom here. Surely the rule should apply consistently? Either it is allowed to talk about and mention all other stores, or none, right?