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Posted May 21, 2020
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AstralWanderer: I presume you are specifically referring to SecuROM/SafeDisc drivers that still remain - this was a problem with Flatout also due to GOG (or the publishers Strategy First) using a (poorly) cracked .exe.
Yep...that's it.

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AstralWanderer: And Gawd, they need a new site *fast*. I've criticised GOG for being slow, but this makes GOG look like Lance Armstrong on acid, whoops there's the cat out of the bag. :) A 27MB download for the front page probably outstrips the size of some of the games they have. And all at pretty high prices too, given their age. Their webmaster needs to be tied up with phone cable and whipped with a v.92 modem. :D
I've heard they will be adding around 150-200 new classic games to their listings soon, and will also be redoing their website(or making a new one) very soon.

As for the prices: imo they are reasonable for some of the titles, or decent enough.....plus tbh i'd rather give a bit more to a company that does a better job than GOG seems to be doing atm.

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AstralWanderer: Probably worth keeping an eye on but unlikely to become a major player unless GOG really screws up.
Always good to have options, and that goes for many parts of life.
Posted May 21, 2020
Nah, I just got here.
Posted May 21, 2020
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GoG client is Windows only.

Prime product for GoG come from CDProject (Witcher3/Cyberpunk) are Windows only.


Windows's only product require a DRM OS which you need to activate with strict licensing issues.


I can assemble a bare functional PC with just ram, cpu, gpu, mobo and ram; with Linux and opensource drivers I can I have a perfectly functional next-gen DRM-free console I can play latest AAA games.

This thanks to Valve and their own funded Proton initiative.

There are plenty DRM-free games on Steam (ref: steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games): I can download them with SteamCMD, zip and export my DRM-free product wherever I want.

Thanks for Valve, I don't even need Valve or Steam at all: Proton is free for everyone, for personal and commercial use. Valve did put money into opensoource graphics stack, today there are few instance in which Linux wine is even faster than Windows in running windows-only games.

GoG gives nothing actually to the community; GoG/CDProject line to be windows-only on PC it's just the mindset of a small company who dream to reach EA/Ubisoft grade of thing: doesn't matter if sell their customer to Sony, Google Stadia or whatever extreme-drm platform you can see out there.


I'd favor itch.io tons time better than any AAA-wannabe such GoG/CDProjectk around.
Posted May 21, 2020
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alexwbc: GoG client is Windows only.
It's not, though.
Posted May 21, 2020
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alexwbc: GoG client is Windows only.

Prime product for GoG come from CDProject (Witcher3/Cyberpunk) are Windows only.

Windows's only product require a DRM OS which you need to activate with strict licensing issues.

I can assemble a bare functional PC with just ram, cpu, gpu, mobo and ram; with Linux and opensource drivers I can I have a perfectly functional next-gen DRM-free console I can play latest AAA games.

This thanks to Valve and their own funded Proton initiative.

There are plenty DRM-free games on Steam (ref: steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games): I can download them with SteamCMD, zip and export my DRM-free product wherever I want.

Thanks for Valve, I don't even need Valve or Steam at all: Proton is free for everyone, for personal and commercial use. Valve did put money into opensoource graphics stack, today there are few instance in which Linux wine is even faster than Windows in running windows-only games.

GoG gives nothing actually to the community; GoG/CDProject line to be windows-only on PC it's just the mindset of a small company who dream to reach EA/Ubisoft grade of thing: doesn't matter if sell their customer to Sony, Google Stadia or whatever extreme-drm platform you can see out there.

I'd favor itch.io tons time better than any AAA-wannabe such GoG/CDProjectk around.
*Possible steam "shill" detected...whoop whoop whoop*

If I may ask: if you like steam so much btw why do you have 57 GOG games, and an account on GOG? If it's for Linux games why not buy them on steam/etc?
Posted May 21, 2020
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DadJoke007: At the site fuck drm...
From the bottom of that page:

"FCK DRM is an initiative by GOG.COM to promote DRM-free art and media..."

Heh, nice of GOG to promote some competitors. Wonder if they'll add Zoom Platform? ;)
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GameRager: I've heard they will be adding around 150-200 new classic games to their listings soon, and will also be redoing their website(or making a new one) very soon.
Part of the reason for that 27MB page size is because it includes all the individual gamecards - if they're going to expand their catalogue by that much, that page could hit 50-60MB without a redesign.
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GameRager: Always good to have options, and that goes for many parts of life.
Agreed - but this is one site that seems to have been seriously wrong-footed by recent events (the rise of the Zoom backdoor -whoops- video conferencing app). I suspect a name change/rebrand will be on the cards.
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alexwbc: Prime product for GoG come from CDProject (Witcher3/Cyberpunk) are Windows only.
Most of Steam's products are Windows-only also.
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alexwbc: Windows's only product require a DRM OS which you need to activate with strict licensing issues.
This is one of several reasons why I've been sticking with WinXP - yes, product activation started there, but it is now easily bypassed. Steam's DRM (which covers most of their content) is far worse though.
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alexwbc: I can assemble a bare functional PC with just ram, cpu, gpu, mobo and ram; with Linux and opensource drivers I can I have a perfectly functional next-gen DRM-free console I can play latest AAA games.
Not with an Nvidia graphics card you can't - though AMD's latest seems to be competitive with open source drivers.
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alexwbc: There are plenty DRM-free games on Steam (ref: steam.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_DRM-free_games): I can download them with SteamCMD, zip and export my DRM-free product wherever I want.
That's a pretty small drop (about 3,000) in the ocean of 143,414 (at time of posting) applications.
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alexwbc: Thanks for Valve, I don't even need Valve or Steam at all: Proton is free for everyone, for personal and commercial use. Valve did put money into opensoource graphics stack...
This isn't pure altruism on Valve's part - it's their attempt to break Windows' games monopoly. Whether you consider this desirable or not, the underlying purpose is to promulgate Valve's Steam monopoly.
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alexwbc: GoG gives nothing actually to the community; GoG/CDProject line to be windows-only on PC it's just the mindset of a small company who dream to reach EA/Ubisoft grade of thing: doesn't matter if sell their customer to Sony, Google Stadia or whatever extreme-drm platform you can see out there.
GOG "selling out" to a DRM platform seems far less likely than Valve (which is pretty much halfway there by any reasonable measurement) doing so. As for "giving to the community", GOG has provided front ends to adjust DOSBox video settings and they provide support to sites like DOSBox via their affiliate program (plus direct support for anti-DRM sites as noted above). There's clearly not the level of support offered by Valve, but then GOG doesn't have the level of financial resources Valve has either.
Post edited May 21, 2020 by AstralWanderer
Posted May 21, 2020
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alexwbc: ...
Thanks to Valve's billions they can do whatever they want, and for now they're doing great things for the Linux community. GOG doesn't have Valve's billions, I don't think they even have 1% of Valve's income.
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Posted May 21, 2020
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I use GOG.com because all games I ever bought here still work exactly as advertised. I cannot say that about any other PC game store.

I own Mirror's Edge on Origin, I bought it almost a decade ago. Last time I tried playing it, I couldn't because it wasn't able to connect to the server to pass the DRM check. I googled it and apparently it's a problem that arises with old Origin games from time to time. Games go months without working due to this server connection problem, because they update the server and fail to update the game in a timely fashion.

All Games for Windows Live games I own on Steam (that didn't remove it) I can only play if I use some kind of crack to bypass the DRM. There are other Steam games with other types of DRM that stopped working too.

As I said, all GOG games I have on my library work as advertised. Some, very few, have a serial key you have to input. I get that some people consider that DRM and I would prefer if this wasn't there, but it's pretty rare - at least in my experience - and just a minor annoyance.

I'll continue to use GOG as long as it exists and back up my games in my hard drive like a boss. I have a full collection of games I can install and play anytime, without needing a stable internet connection and without any restriction as far as number of installs or anything like that. In these uncertain times, that beats cloud saves and auto-updates any day in my book.
Posted May 21, 2020
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AstralWanderer: Wonder if they'll add Zoom Platform?
Zoom Platform was initially featured on the page, but they asked GOG to remove them (sorry for the twitter link, goddamn that website is so unusable)
Posted May 21, 2020
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AstralWanderer: This is one of several reasons why I've been sticking with WinXP
I'm sure your impact on the market is quite massive.
Posted May 21, 2020
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AstralWanderer: This is one of several reasons why I've been sticking with WinXP - yes, product activation started there, but it is now easily bypassed.
You're sticking with XP because pirating it is easier than with newer versions of Windows? Whatever... use what you like, but stop those silly justifications.
Posted May 22, 2020
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deesklo: Zoom Platform was initially featured on the page, but they asked GOG to remove them (sorry for the twitter link, goddamn that website is so unusable)
Wow, that seems a bizarre action on Zoom Platform's part. Or maybe they were disenfranchised GOG Downloader fans?
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teceem: You're sticking with XP because pirating it is easier than with newer versions of Windows? Whatever... use what you like, but stop those silly justifications.
Sorry to disappoint, but I do have licenses for the XP copies I run. I just like to do radical things like have my main gaming system offline without having to do a 20-digit dance just because I had the temerity to do one hardware upgrade too many. And I protect myself against the possibility of MS trying to force upgrades by blocking future activations. And I can run security software that's unencumbered by PatchGuard and so able to allow me full control over my system. And I don't have to put up with the UI changes (mostly negative IMHO) made in more recent versions. Etc. Etc.

Now you'd best be going - wouldn't want to risk turning to stone when the sun next rises would we?
Posted May 22, 2020
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AstralWanderer: Wow, that seems a bizarre action on Zoom Platform's part. Or maybe they were disenfranchised GOG Downloader fans?
Old grievances, apparently starting with Zoom accusing GOG of stealing their code for fixing an old game (or more of them) and then just releasing it like that here.
Some summary of the discussion is in this post and the next.
Posted May 22, 2020
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AstralWanderer: From the bottom of that page:

"FCK DRM is an initiative by GOG.COM to promote DRM-free art and media..."

Heh, nice of GOG to promote some competitors. Wonder if they'll add Zoom Platform? ;)
Magic 8 ball says: All signs point to no(Fat chance in hell is also a possible answer).

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AstralWanderer: Part of the reason for that 27MB page size is because it includes all the individual gamecards - if they're going to expand their catalogue by that much, that page could hit 50-60MB without a redesign.
Well they said to others here they are working on a new site(or reworking the old one)....so hopefully that should be a part of the fixes.

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AstralWanderer: Agreed - but this is one site that seems to have been seriously wrong-footed by recent events (the rise of the Zoom backdoor -whoops- video conferencing app). I suspect a name change/rebrand will be on the cards.
Maybe....we will see....at the very least they need to get better indexed and presented in search results somehow.

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AstralWanderer: This isn't pure altruism on Valve's part - it's their attempt to break Windows' games monopoly. Whether you consider this desirable or not, the underlying purpose is to promulgate Valve's Steam monopoly.
Why some don't(or don't want to) get this is beyond me.....it's obvious a big store like steam isn't likely doing it to be nice to people.
Posted May 22, 2020
I wish I stick with Windows XP. It was peak Windows.
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