Posted October 19, 2016
drinnen
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Pheace
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Posted October 19, 2016
Tyrrhia: Does you accessing GOG (more specifically, your GOG library) run without an account? Nope.
Does the GOG Downloader run without an account? I've never used it but I don't think it does, either, because it would totally break the purpose of the store—so, nope.
Galaxy is pretty much the same thing as the two methods mentioned above, except that it's also used for conveniently downloading, installing, and launching your games (and browsing the GOG site if you so desire, but better leave that to traditional browsers) without doing it all by yourself.
If this were true people would have no issue with Steam. Does the GOG Downloader run without an account? I've never used it but I don't think it does, either, because it would totally break the purpose of the store—so, nope.
Galaxy is pretty much the same thing as the two methods mentioned above, except that it's also used for conveniently downloading, installing, and launching your games (and browsing the GOG site if you so desire, but better leave that to traditional browsers) without doing it all by yourself.
The difference is that you only need to do the two examples you gave twice, and only to download your game, while for Galaxy MP you need to be logged in every time to make use of a part of your game (for those that use it)
(unless you were only talking about using it as a downloader, in which case my bad)
Post edited October 19, 2016 by Pheace
skeletonbow
Galaxy 3 when?
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Posted October 19, 2016
So you're telling us that GOG doesn't have the Linux versions of Victor Vran, Divinity: Original Sin, Trine 3, Strife and Dungeons 2, all of which use Galaxy for multiplayer under Windows and Mac?
Trilarion
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Posted October 19, 2016
For those games where it is optional that is absolutely true. The only thing is that Galaxy is not optional but mandatory for some other games (currently unknown which ones, some multiplayer games) and that goes a bit (quite a lot actually) against the statement of GOG that Galaxy will remain optional forever.
So we seem to agree that Galaxy is DRM but the question is if it really is optional or not for all games?
So we seem to agree that Galaxy is DRM but the question is if it really is optional or not for all games?
Post edited October 19, 2016 by Trilarion
JMich
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Senteria
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Posted October 19, 2016
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Posted October 19, 2016
Goodaltgamer: AI: strange, just checked: user everyone, except doesn't exist (full rights), valid user only with restricted rights.
Capitalism 2 No, restricted only
Europa Universalis III Complete no, restricted
Star Ruler 2 just checked: user everyone, except doesn't exist (full rights), valid user only with restricted rights.
Tropico 4 just checked: user everyone, except doesn't exist (full rights), valid user only with restricted rights.
I'm keeping only the ones we both have installed that you checked. Concerning Capitalism 2 and EU3, I believe you, I know that games on this list had unmodified NTFS ACLs, but I couldn't remember since I always immediately cancel those changes. Capitalism 2 No, restricted only
Europa Universalis III Complete no, restricted
Star Ruler 2 just checked: user everyone, except doesn't exist (full rights), valid user only with restricted rights.
Tropico 4 just checked: user everyone, except doesn't exist (full rights), valid user only with restricted rights.
And btw it seems a clarification is necessary about "Everyone" that you said doesn't exist. "Everyone" is not a user, it's a user group (noticeable from the group icon next to its name, in the same way as "Administrators"), and it exists, is builtin and just means everyone.
Goodaltgamer: interesting results, one thing in the moment jumping to mind (like with star ruler 2/tropico 4), did it maybe only happen with an automatic update from inside the program?
Tropico 4 has an automatic update feature ? As Star Ruler 2 is concerned, while it has automatic updates I don't remember it tampered with ACLs, but maybe it did. Anyway, I'm not speaking about a change from automatic updates since I noticed the change right after running the setup. We don't have different results, those that you see have still restricted rights likely had the same for me, I just didn't remember. I should reinstall to confirm but it's unnecessary as it would likely confirm your observations. Anyway as I told you, at least 90% of the games I mentioned have the Full Control to Everyone ACL added on setup.
I use setup too. I don't want Galaxy as it is right now, it's too similar to Steam security-wise.
Goodaltgamer: Another thing popping up, is your user name (windows) having non-latin characters? (like è or similar? Windows was and is never good with handling those and really cause strange results.... ;)
I use my first name as user name, and despite being french it doesn't contain those é, è, ê, ë, ç, â, à, û, ô, but anyway I don't think Windows has problems with these any more, after all these years. If there still were problems, just imagine how the chinese would suffer... I use "D:\Program Files (x86)" which is the Windows default for 32-bit programs. However I certainly have some 64-bit games installed here, since the GOG installer always proposes me the last installation directory and I don't check beforehand if the program is 64-bit or 32-bit. Anyway it doesn't matter, and I don't see clearly why Microsoft defined two separate directories, except maybe for the case of networked architecture-based installations...
I have Windows 10 now, but I used to have 8.1 too, before I decided to make the move.
Trilarion
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Posted October 19, 2016
serpantino: The online game modes of a lot of games being released on gog now require GOG Galaxy to play and they also require you to be logged in with your account.
Venom: It's not the case that the online multiplayer artificially requires GOG Galaxy. The online multiplayer, achievements etc. in many new games are built using GOG Galaxy. Those features also require a consistent user account. Online multiplayer of course also requires you to be online. For each of those games, the single player part of the game can be played offline and without GOG Galaxy.
Post edited October 19, 2016 by Trilarion
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Posted October 19, 2016
The answer is "yes" if it fits into your definition of DRM, and "no" if it does not.
Trilarion
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Posted October 19, 2016
Sorry, I really don't remember that but I would believe you if you insist on it. May it as it be, the games with DRM on GOG or required log-in should be clearly marked as such and also have a filter option, so I can exclude them from any searches, if you ask me.
JMich
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Posted October 19, 2016
Trilarion: May it as it be, the games with DRM on GOG or required log-in should be clearly marked as such and also have a filter option, so I can exclude them from any searches, if you ask me.
I think that if you skip these games you should be ok. Most of them require a serial or account or another thing that could be considered DRM, though a few may not. I don't think any game not on that list has anything that could be considered DRM or require any kind of logging in.Trilarion
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Posted October 19, 2016
Trilarion: May it as it be, the games with DRM on GOG or required log-in should be clearly marked as such and also have a filter option, so I can exclude them from any searches, if you ask me.
JMich: I think that if you skip these games you should be ok. Most of them require a serial or account or another thing that could be considered DRM, though a few may not. I don't think any game not on that list has anything that could be considered DRM or require any kind of logging in. Post edited October 19, 2016 by Trilarion
Lin545
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Posted October 19, 2016
Lin545: For example, Galaxy has no linux client. Means linux players get no multiplayer. How is this an "advantage"?
drinnen: Hey be fair, they don't lock us Linux users out of games that use Galaxy for multiplayer, they just don't give us the linux version at all. Entirely different thing! What "Galaxy" does - can be done in HTML and this website already did that. Galaxy is just repacking the whole into stand-alone binary. That heavily cuts on platform support. That duplicates existing functionality: on this website(whole account/forum) - and - on software(browser). Why?
Servers that are provided only for logged in members are fully okay.
Its called "private servers" and they offer benefit of cheat protection and community direction (more indirect/direct sales). Requirement of account with purchased game - in order to use these private servers is fully okay.
But whole multiplayer functionality exclusively via account is not okay at all. Gamespy was already mentioned. It goes down - multiplayer in all games is bollocks. Linux Game Publishing used the same - but required auth servers connection even for single player - LGP went black -> all games useless.
It makes GOG the only exclusive provider for multiplayer. Something happens to its support - no multiplayer for all games. Want to make own multiplayer servers - no chance. Yes, it is a partial DRM, since it restricts functionality that should be there. "Shareware concept" anyone?
As said, I dislike where its going. It already cuts out functionality and has good potential to cut out "no" from "-DRM" in GOG motto; as well as "Linux". There was already something similar in history - look up how "Quake Live" degraded.
skeletonbow
Galaxy 3 when?
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Posted October 19, 2016
Trilarion: Thanks. That's a start, although many of them allow multiplayer without any kind of logging or anything else that is regarded as DRM typically. A list depicting those who use Galaxy and the log in as multiplayer would be nice and should not be too difficult to compile by GOG. They should know and probably could make it another "feature" tag, so we can include/exclude it.
I believe all games that implement Galaxy multi-player as the sole multi-player option all contain a statement to that effect on their store page barring any inadvertent omissions, but GOG would likely correct any if they're discovered and reported. Sadly, the options for multi-player are not clearly listed in enough detail for most products in the store IMHO. Take XWing Alliance for example, the store page lists it as single-player only while I'm told by many people it supports LAN and Direct IP just fine.
As for just about any statement about anything involving the words "... should not be too difficult to compile by GOG." though, that probably falls into the "yeah, maybe 20 years from now" category. :oP