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Posted December 08, 2015
yes it is that bad.

it has the potential to be that bad.

Steam is good. Valve is good. Gabe, wonderful dearest Gabe, sweetheart of a bajillion gamers, is good.

It is because of this you find Steam's DRM acceptable. Take away the Steam, take away the Valve, and you wouldn't.

You really wouldn't
Posted December 08, 2015
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djranis: considering everyone is shoving their own client, this sort of drm is problematic, try playing a ubisoft game on steam and you will know

when i pay for a damn game, i want the whole damn game with hassle free convenience if not then............
Worst part is even if you try to launch it from Uplay, it will open Steam first and then launch the game.
Posted December 08, 2015
Yes.
Posted December 08, 2015
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ET3D: If DRM-free is to succeed, the DRM-free position needs to always be stronger than the DRM one. If DRM allows a refund after install just because you don't like the game, DRM-free needs to offer that too. If DRM allows you to easily brag to people about your gaming achievements and play time, DRM-free needs to provide that too. As long as DRM platforms have more features, there is no way you can tell people who want these features that DRM-free is better for them.
I don't really agree with this, in the sense that being DRM-free is already a big quality in itself that can compensate other features. Steam is successful notwithstanding the DRM because of the other features. Speaking of which, the ones that for really add to the gaming experience are workshop and leaderboards for a certain kind of games. About leaderbords, it's impossible to do without an integration of the game with the client, but it would be possible without DRM. GOG could at least focus on such things that improve the gaming experience, without having to mimic all of Steam features, since many of them don't have anything to do with the games themselves.
Posted December 08, 2015
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mg1979: I don't really agree with this, in the sense that being DRM-free is already a big quality in itself that can compensate other features.
DRM-free is only a big feature in theory. For most people it has very little practical value. That's why I think that DRM-free should provide a full client and other features that Steam does in order to compete. I'm glad that GOG is trying that with Galaxy, the only worry is whether they can get it right.

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mg1979: GOG could at least focus on such things that improve the gaming experience, without having to mimic all of Steam features, since many of them don't have anything to do with the games themselves.
But many of them have to do with the gaming community and how people play games, which is important to a lot of gamers.
Posted December 08, 2015
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lepke1979: Still, I find it hilarious someone is telling you to move because your internet is not as good as it could be.
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tinyE: It's not just someone, it's my brother, who lives in California, where it is ILLEGAL TO WATER YOUR LAWN!!!! XD

Yeah, I should move. :P
The water is being rationed because they need most of it to fill the saline/water breast implants in all those plastic surgery clinics. I actually have a pet theory that California stopped being a part of the United States about 20 years ago, being the first actual province on Earth to be successfully colonized and legally run by aliens from another planet. But that's a story for another time.

And no, DRM isn't the bad guy here... it's the people who support it that I have a problem with. I'm not sure which came first, stupid people or stupid ideas. Kind of a chicken and the egg thing.
Posted December 08, 2015
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lazydog: I am not going to get too mad about your post (mostly)

But I will say this and others have said it countless times before:

IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH STEAM, WHY DO YOU COME HERE?

ALSO, HOW DO YOU THINK A REVERSE QUESTION WOULD BE DEALT WITH ON THE STEAM FORUMS???

DOUBLE BLADED? FFS ALL YOU WANT IS CONVENIENCE OR DEATH
Maybe he comes here as well as Steam because he isn't single minded? Healthy people don't think in a Boolean manner. GOG isn't a religion it's a game store and as such it's okay to use more than one.

As for the Steam forums, well, there are assholes wherever you go, the trick is to not get too close.
Post edited December 08, 2015 by Egotomb
Posted December 08, 2015
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mg1979: opening post
Long story short. (online) DRM does not prevent games from being shared/copied/cracked/pirated; it prevents me from spending my precious time (and money) on such "protected" games. On top of it I feel insulted/pityful every time the "to prevent piracy" argument gets dragged out of the basement since that means they assume I'm either dumb enough to belive it or they are too dumb to understand how they shoot their own foot.
Post edited December 08, 2015 by anothername
Posted December 08, 2015
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mg1979: As most people know, DRM-free means the games can be shared with torrents very easily, I guess GOG isn't happy about it. Lately I've been using Steam too, and I don't think it's that bad. The main drawback is that you need an active internet connection basically all the time, but most people here probably have it anyway, at least you need it to download games... So why people hate DRM? Old DRMs were invasive and/or bothersome, requiring cd checks, etc, but a DRM on the model of Steam's isn't bothersome at all to me. I have to say I don't use GOG Galaxy and I think I never will, unless it becomes something spectacular. Steam has mod integration through Workshop and for this reason alone is ahead of everything that Galaxy can do right now. Personally I'd trade the DRM-freeness for mod integration very willingly, but I'd also like to be able to install my games when I'm not connected to the internet.

There was GOG Downloader, where you logged in, so it had access to your account. If the DRM were limited to the actual setup program, I'd find it acceptable. That is, if GOG Downloader or a similar lightweight installation launcher checked if you actually own the game on GOG: the launcher would download the list of the games you own, then (even offline) whenever you run a GOG installer it would check if you own the game, if you don't you wouldn't be able to install it. It would be problematic for all the current installers for which you can find torrents, but the program could check the registry to find installations of GOG games you don't own or similar things.

I mean, let's face it, DRM-free is great but it's a double-bladed thing. I repeat I'd trade it for additional services (mainly mod hosting and automatic download/integration of mods/configuration tweaks/whatever).
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lazydog: I am not going to get too mad about your post (mostly)

But I will say this and others have said it countless times before:

IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH STEAM, WHY DO YOU COME HERE?
Not everyone who buys here is here for only DRM-Free but I think you already know that. What's funny is this kind of mindset (only buying on GoG) is the exact thing some here accuse Steam users of (only buying on Steam). See, that's the nice thing about options, you can buy games from different places.
Posted December 08, 2015
It is not bad, is evil.
Posted December 08, 2015
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lazydog: I am not going to get too mad about your post (mostly)

But I will say this and others have said it countless times before:

IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH STEAM, WHY DO YOU COME HERE?
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synfresh: Not everyone who buys here is here for only DRM-Free but I think you already know that. What's funny is this kind of mindset (only buying on GoG) is the exact thing some here accuse Steam users of (only buying on Steam). See, that's the nice thing about options, you can buy games from different places.
My impression is more like that most say "only gog" not because fandom but because all other places to shop without to worry about online DRM got nuked. PC gaming section in retail these days is just an glorified presentation of Origin & Steam Keys. No wonder they are drowning.
Posted December 08, 2015
I'm sure this has already been brought up but I didn't read all of the replies so I'll just make doubly sure it's been brought up by bringing it up again.

The reason DRM is bad, and always will be bad, is because the ONLY PEOPLE, and this is true no matter how badly others want to deny it, the ONLY PEOPLE DRM inconveniences and causes trouble for are PAYING CUSTOMERS. And that is so stupid, on so many levels, it's hard to even imagine how it's been put up with for this long. It's a sign of just how beaten down/brainwashed/something??? consumers are.

Again, the ONLY PEOPLE DRM inconveniences are PAYING CUSTOMERS. Pirates are still pirating, and pirates are gonna keep on pirating. Meanwhile paying customers get locked out of games they bought and paid for, get delayed from playing games they bought and paid for, and sometimes lose complete access to games they bought and paid for thanks to DRM.

It's mindboggling how stupid this is and yet continues...
Posted December 08, 2015
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mg1979: As most people know, DRM-free ...That was all.
Yes, DRM is bad. I don't ever want to have it. For the record: I buy DRM free and I'm quite proud about it and also I do nothing illegal so most if not all what you said does not apply to me.

Also you might be in the wrong community here. ;) That was all from my side.
Post edited December 08, 2015 by Trilarion
Posted December 09, 2015
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Trilarion: Yes, DRM is bad. I don't ever want to have it. For the record: I buy DRM free and I'm quite proud about it and also I do nothing illegal so most if not all what you said does not apply to me.
I still contend that if one purchases a game that comes with DRM, that downloading and using pirate "cracks" isn't illegal. If one owns the game and wants to ensure the DRM doesn't prevent him/her from ever playing it by having such cracks available, that it's not illegal despite what EULA's may say. (EULA's are another "legal question" in and of themselves as IMO they fail the reasonableness test of contract law).
Post edited December 09, 2015 by OldFatGuy
Posted December 11, 2015
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lazydog: I am not going to get too mad about your post (mostly)

But I will say this and others have said it countless times before:

IF YOU ARE HAPPY WITH STEAM, WHY DO YOU COME HERE?
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synfresh: Not everyone who buys here is here for only DRM-Free but I think you already know that. What's funny is this kind of mindset (only buying on GoG) is the exact thing some here accuse Steam users of (only buying on Steam). See, that's the nice thing about options, you can buy games from different places.
It is not funny at all.

Nobody is criticising steam users. Steam users can pay money for something that does not exist until the cows come home as far as I am concerned.

But I will not stand for people saying DRM is "double bladed". It simply isn't, and never has been. To use the given symbolism it is merely a simple knife in the ribs. DRM cripples a product- it is defective by design.

So do me a favour, if you wish to buy on gog and steam, buy on gog and steam, move on and stop posting in threads that concern active DRM discussions.
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