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MarioFanaticXV: When he says that no one does swimming or running on a professional level, it's pretty clear that he's trolling. Even if you don't like the sports- honestly, I'm in that boat, I find them very boring to watch- you can't say that people don't do them professionally.

Besides, the alternative insult their intelligence and assume that he actually doesn't know that there are people who do such sports on a professional level. But he's basically insulted every Olympic runner and swimmer out there and told them that they're not actual professionals, to say nothing of all those who don't even make it to the Olympics.
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tinyE: I think we have a simple misunderstanding, professionally means they get paid to do it, nothing more, nothing less. Olympians don't get paid. In fact, 99% of the athletes in the world are not professional.
Words have multiple meanings, and it's long past the day where being "professional" only meant you get paid to do something.

http://trackandfieldathletesassociation.org/site/how-much-money-do-track-and-field-athletes-make/
http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/life-as-a-professional-swimmer/
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hedwards: So swimming isn't a sport? People can't usually swim professionally, they have to have some sort of a job to pay for the pool access and whatnot. Same goes for running, people don't generally get paid to run, even at elite levels. I don't think those are any less sports than things like soccer and hockey where people do get paid to play.

And even when people are being paid to play, it's a tiny portion of the people engaging in the sport that see actual monetary reward.
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MarioFanaticXV: You've done some pretty blatant trolling in the past, but this honestly takes the cake. You've never seen anyone do professional swimming or running? I guess you've never heard of the Olympics, unless you think that they're all just doing it as nothing more than a mere hobby, and they don't worry about it much when the Olympics aren't in session?
LOL, you're one to talk. BTW, how much credibility does the IOC have left after they let Russia have the Olympics recently? Russia has a terrible human rights record and it's getting worse.

Say what you want about me, I'm grumpy and a bit of a curmudgeon, but I'm not generally wrong.
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tinyE: I think we have a simple misunderstanding, professionally means they get paid to do it, nothing more, nothing less. Olympians don't get paid. In fact, 99% of the athletes in the world are not professional.
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MarioFanaticXV: Words have multiple meanings, and it's long past the day where being "professional" only meant you get paid to do something.

http://trackandfieldathletesassociation.org/site/how-much-money-do-track-and-field-athletes-make/
http://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/life-as-a-professional-swimmer/
You might want to reread my post champ. The only trolling I see going on in this thread is by you.
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hedwards: I do that at work, but I wouldn't say that teaching is a sport. I really think people are trying really hard to bend the definition of sport to include every competitive activity without considering the consequences.
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HereForTheBeer: That's where I'm at on a bunch of the 'definitions' presented in the thread. The criteria from SportAccord describe aspects of my job which, while it does have a strenuous physical aspect at times, is in no way a sport. And at times it IS fun, which is also part of the point of sports and games. I get spectators: production managers breathing down my neck, wondering when I'm going to be finished. And cheering when the job is done though, sadly, no hot cheerleaders to swoon over me. I even get 'away games' - remote service visits.

I'll go back to my 'element of danger' bit as part of the definition, and I'm not including Deep Vein Thrombosis as a qualifier. ; )
What I really don't get is why things like Chess and Poker and Starcraft need to be sports in order to be legitimate. Seems to me that rather than trying to join the jocks, people ought to be focused on removing the stigmatism from gaming.

Nobody with any sense is going to suggest that there isn't a lot of pressure or that being in shape isn't going to help one compete, but it's stretching the definition of sports a bit too far to include things where there is not actual physical activity like some folks in here want to do.
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tinyE: Good, call one of the original and most respected members of the forum a troll. This should work out just fine. XD

I rarely if ever agree with him myself but some places you just don't go.
Thanks. Don't get me wrong, I am a curmudgeon, but despite some people's opinions, I am usually right or at least on to something.

Except when somebody like Mario gets on my nerves. Sometimes I do get a bit kitten with a mouse.
Post edited January 17, 2015 by hedwards
It is as definable a sport as men dressing up in plastic armor and giving each other concussions can be.
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hedwards: LOL, you're one to talk. BTW, how much credibility does the IOC have left after they let Russia have the Olympics recently? Russia has a terrible human rights record and it's getting worse.
Not sure what that has to do with whether or not something is a sport... Also, I always laugh when people complain about Russia holding the Olympics, but never say anything about China or Germany (and mind you, I'm talking about the Berlin Olympics... You know, back during the Hitler era)?
What I really don't get is why things like Chess and Poker and Starcraft need to be sports in order to be legitimate. Seems to me that rather than trying to join the jocks, people ought to be focused on removing the stigmatism from gaming.
So you think only jocks should be allowed to have sports? That's a rather... High school clique-ish mindset...
Nobody with any sense is going to suggest that there isn't a lot of pressure or that being in shape isn't going to help one compete, but it's stretching the definition of sports a bit too far to include things where there is not actual physical activity like some folks in here want to do.
And it's rather narrow to try and reduce the definition of a sport to only something that is physically straining.
Except when somebody like Mario gets on my nerves. Sometimes I do get a bit kitten with a mouse.
I'm sorry if you can't respect those with hobbies that differ from your own. Unlike you, I can- I respect the swimmers, runners... On that note, I find MOST sports very boring. But if someone is skilled at something, I don't try to berate them just because their tastes are different from mine.
I can't believe this thread has turned into a flame war. XD Mind you I am just as much to blame as everyone else so maybe we all need to have some prune juice and take five. :P
For me computer gaming is entertainment. But some aspects of it can be sports. However not much sports in terms of training of the whole body.
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darthspudius: Is it hell! Lazy fat bastards do not equal a sport haha. It's like darts with a keyboard. Little physical effort possible.
BTW, I saw the darts competition on BBC2 last week. The old dude with his gold chains going all pimpy made me laugh :o)

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Back to OP question:

You don't get an endorphins rush by clicking a mouse so no. End of argumentation. Next question? ^o^
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Trilarion: For me computer gaming is entertainment. But some aspects of it can be sports. However not much sports in terms of training of the whole body.
Teams are slowly introducing physical training into the players' daily training schedule.
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Trilarion: For me computer gaming is entertainment. But some aspects of it can be sports. However not much sports in terms of training of the whole body.
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Elenarie: Teams are slowly introducing physical training into the players' daily training schedule.
I didn't know that. It helps probably in the same way like that I work better when in a healthy condition, but maybe it isn't a decisive factor, i.e. even a couch potato can be good in video games.
Post edited January 17, 2015 by Trilarion
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Elenarie: Teams are slowly introducing physical training into the players' daily training schedule.
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Trilarion: I didn't know that. It helps probably in the same way like that I work better when in a healthy condition, but maybe it isn't a decisive factor, i.e. even a couch potato can be good in video games.
It helps with concentration and reaction times, especially relevant for Starcraft and CS:GO.
Just remember people, if you can't be an athlete, be an athletic supporter! :D
I must admit, I haven't looked into this thread in detail, but if nobody has invented "Starcraft Boxing" I'm claiming it!
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tinyE: I can't believe this thread has turned into a flame war. XD Mind you I am just as much to blame as everyone else so maybe we all need to have some prune juice and take five. :P
I'm surprised it took that long. Kind of reminds me when I pointed out that gaming in excess isn't actually good for you. Boy, did the pitchforks come out for that one. Even though there's really no evidence to the contrary and a huge pile of evidence that it's not good for you.
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Elenarie: Teams are slowly introducing physical training into the players' daily training schedule.
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Trilarion: I didn't know that. It helps probably in the same way like that I work better when in a healthy condition, but maybe it isn't a decisive factor, i.e. even a couch potato can be good in video games.
Not if you have to play 40 hours in 3 days.
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hedwards: LOL, you're one to talk. BTW, how much credibility does the IOC have left after they let Russia have the Olympics recently? Russia has a terrible human rights record and it's getting worse.
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MarioFanaticXV: Not sure what that has to do with whether or not something is a sport... Also, I always laugh when people complain about Russia holding the Olympics, but never say anything about China or Germany (and mind you, I'm talking about the Berlin Olympics... You know, back during the Hitler era)?
We know better now. The Holocaust hadn't yet happened when Germany hosted and if we were adhering to the standard at the time nobody would have gotten the Olympics. Times change.

As far as China goes, I've been to China and it's not anywhere near as bad as you seem to think. In fact I liked it so much that I'm going back there. There are a few things you can't talk about, but people China doesn't turn a blind eye to random murders of journalists. What's more the head of China isn't a spook with a dodgy history.

In case you're wondering, this is why you have no credibility.


What I really don't get is why things like Chess and Poker and Starcraft need to be sports in order to be legitimate. Seems to me that rather than trying to join the jocks, people ought to be focused on removing the stigmatism from gaming.
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MarioFanaticXV: So you think only jocks should be allowed to have sports? That's a rather... High school clique-ish mindset...
Yes, they damn well ought to. Jocks are generally defined by being involved in sports. Perhaps to an unhealthy extent.


Nobody with any sense is going to suggest that there isn't a lot of pressure or that being in shape isn't going to help one compete, but it's stretching the definition of sports a bit too far to include things where there is not actual physical activity like some folks in here want to do.
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MarioFanaticXV: And it's rather narrow to try and reduce the definition of a sport to only something that is physically straining.

Except when somebody like Mario gets on my nerves. Sometimes I do get a bit kitten with a mouse.
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MarioFanaticXV: I'm sorry if you can't respect those with hobbies that differ from your own. Unlike you, I can- I respect the swimmers, runners... On that note, I find MOST sports very boring. But if someone is skilled at something, I don't try to berate them just because their tastes are different from mine.
Oh please, it's got nothing to do with your hobbies, it's the fact that you're making shit arguments that's at issue here. If you're going to rely upon the IOC's definition of sport to prop up your ill-conceived of view, then you'd damn well be ready to have somebody point out that the IOC cares far more about money than purity of sports.