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I'm also hoping that Galaxy adds more features such as profiles, the ability to appear offline, etc. Perhaps it would be best to wait until it comes out of beta, especially since I can now manage friends list stuff from the website anyway...
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agogfan: OK, so I see in question 13 that downloading via the browser will be the only way to download games if you don't use Galaxy. I assume download links don't expire then because it can take me days to download some games depending on how my internet decides it's feeling that day.
You can, currently, still use the Downloader. You have to select GOG Downloader Links from the More button next to the blue Try GOG Galaxy button on the game card to get to them, though.
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Nesoo: You can, currently, still use the Downloader. You have to select GOG Downloader Links from the More button next to the blue Try GOG Galaxy button on the game card to get to them, though.
I've been using the downloader :)

As they say: if ye seek ye shall find.
Yep not using it. Don't really see the need for a client and the binding of game files to some unnecesary trivial blob software. All I wan't is normal way of downloading game installers which "for the moment" gog still offers and hopefully will continue too. Also what is definitely bad with Galaxy is that is an unfinished beta product that will be in testing mode for months/years to come and probably never finished as usual on gog. Very bad thing is certainly the uncompressed download of game files and very high ram usage as reported by gog users using it. So much about the "lite client". Also inadverently clients are data tracking machines regardless of what gog says. One big plus for galaxy for me is multiplayer support but gog already showed that they can offer that without the need for Galaxy client since they support games like Aliens vs Predators and a few others without the need for the client. Eitherway zero interest in it unless it becomes mandatory (but at that point I will definitely leave gog).
Post edited May 19, 2015 by Matruchus
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nightcraw1er.488: Just one thing to add, as your typing me to death here :o) I agree that people gravitate to convenience, but there are platforms out there already for that purpose, e.g. Steam, and consoles. You can even get old games on them. So why do we need another? An example is Shinyloot, they came into the DRM free market touting its benefit, however after the beta stage realized that the majority wanted the convenience given by Steam, and they could get more games in. So they became a key retailer. If you look at their forums its pretty much a wasteland.
Am just saying the differences in setups are why people go to different stores.
You may have all of your needs met by GOG or Steam or some other service or services already, but that doesn't mean that every single potential customer in the world of video gaming has their needs already being fully met by one or another or a combination of services out there right now. So framing the question as "Do we really need another?" is kind of missing the point. That's making an all or nothing proposal to make a decision for every single potential customer out there based on whether one individual feels their own personal needs/desires are being met by some existing offering out there or not. How many brands of vehicle are on the road right now? Why is that? I mean, do we really need more than one single brand of vehicle available? Why isn't every single person driving a Ford, since once Ford vehicles were available - vehicles were available and there was no "need" for anyone else to make a vehicle because it was an already solved problem right? The same could be said with thousands of things in the highly competitive global market.

Everyone wants different types of products and services, features and convenience whether it is in food industry, automobiles, video games or anything else really. The need for these things springs out of the mind of the individual wanting a better experience either because their existing experience is not as good as they'd like it to be, or because they see something else out there that is better in some way than what they have now and they'd like their own experience to improve. This creates demand in the marketplace. All companies out there ultimately are successful or not in the marketplace based on their ability to observe or predict what products and services the market as a whole wants to have or might be interested in and to create either a unique product/service or a competitive one in an effort to tap into an existing or emerging market and become profitable and grow. Companies either respond to what the market wants and tap into the money that's out there or they don't and their competitors will happily take the money.

So tomorrow GOG adds a new game to the store DRM-free, but... that game is already available DRM-free on Shinyloot and Desura. Do we really need GOG to sell that game here? I mean people can already buy it at Shinyloot or Desura so there's no point in GOG selling it here right?

Of course that makes no sense. GOG wants to sell the game here because they do their homework on the game and think it is something that is popular with some portion of the available market out there and someone else might be making money off of it and they would like to make money from selling it too and believe that some portion of their customers will also be interested in buying that game so they seek it out and try to bring it to the GOG store in order to increase the number of products available to their customers and to be rewarded with their customer's money in return instead of just letting Shinyloot and Desura make all of the money off of it and saying "sorry customers, that's already available somewhere else go buy it there instead, we don't want your money for that".

GOG recognizes the essential business fact that every business makes money by providing products and services that are desired by consumers and that by providing additional conveniences to their customers they create value-add, and that ends up making their own product and service offerings more attractive in the marketplace to draw more customers and grow their business.

This isn't about whether or not you can already buy something out there somewhere, it's about whether GOG wants to be a niche boutique only catering to the specific needs of a small group of people and never expand or growing beyond that, or they want to grow their business to reach more customers and make more money by recognizing what people in the larger marketplace want and trying to offer competitive products and services to tap into the larger opportunities that exist out there. They've chosen to want to grow their business and provide more products, services, and conveniences to existing and potential customers to make their offerings more competitive in the marketplace, which IMHO is what a business needs to do if they want to grow and be successful.

No other store out there currently provides an advanced modern gaming platform and services built entirely on a DRM-free foundation, however there very much is a desire by gamers in the marketplace for this to exist. So the answer to "Do we really need another?" is a resounding "yes". Yes we do. Where "we" are the people out here with money to burn have needs/wants/desires that are not being met by any one of the other platforms out there currently.

The real question is - does GOG want our money and patronage? That's a rhetorical question though because obviously they do, and Galaxy is a response to that - a response to an opportunity and a need in the marketplace of which no other competitor out there is currently pursuing in the same manner. When their service becomes stable and complete, they will have a "unique selling point" which is their advantage in the marketplace. It's not that there aren't other clients out there, but rather that there is no other store out there that has a full fledged client, has a focus on DRM-free gaming and a number of other features and values in one place. By providing this to the market they are going to both provide something unique out there that people want which nothing out there currently provides, as well as making themselves appeal to others out there that use existing services that may now find what GOG has to offer more appealing and decide to come and shop here now too.

It's not only listening to customers and potential customer's desires, it's smart business sense.
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Wait.. what? You're the one 'selling credentials. You used yours to justify a 'Captain Obvious' observation (that many don't know the GOG Downloader is also a client and thusly how they love and hate clients), here:
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Twice you've pointed the 'I know you are but what am I' finger at me. First with the so-called 'irrelevancy' to 'the main point' (that you initially brought up); and now about 'selling credentials' (that you did first). Takes one to know one, eh?



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USERNAME:Martek#Q&_^Q&Q#GROUP:4#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:205#Q&_^Q&Q#It's not short-sighted. The GOG Downloader was optimized for efficient downloading - you turn it 'On' and then in few clicks you are off and running.

NOW you have to go through a bunch of different hoops to get to the same stuff. GOG has removed (i.e.; nerfed) its efficiency. Using the Downloader now is much more obtuse and click-heavy than it was before the web-changes that correspond to the Galaxy beta release. There's simply no way to call it practical now.

You water-down and/or ignore these issues so much and so often (and so verbosely) that it can make one wonder if you aren't just a customer and are instead working for them in a 'damage control' role.#Q&_^Q&Q#LINK:205#Q&_^Q&Q#
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I hope you're not astroturfing.

The extra 'hoops' have been iterated many times in other posts by other posters (ITT and others), so I'm not going re-iterate them here. You are obviously keeping up with these threads, so I'm taking 'don't know' as 'disagree' and that's fine with me. It should not be difficult for you to find posts on the topic if you decide you do want to know.

But in addition to the extra 'hoops' to get to the GOG Downloader links; the Galaxy client itself isn't as good because it's lacks pausing, speed limits and time limits, which the Downloader has.
To answer the OP.

Me. I will certainly not be using galaxy for at least 4-6 months while things are ironed out. I can't afford the bandwidth for things like redownloads. I prefer to do everything manually so I know where things go, what is downloaded myself etc :
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OldFatGuy: Maybe for you there isn't, but for me there is. With the Downloader, it automatically put all of my downloads in the same place, GOG DOWNLOADS in My Documents. I could download 10 games at a time, and be done. Not so with the browser downloader. That automatically puts them in the Downloads directory unless each and every download I manually go in and select "Save as" or each and every time go into downloads and copy and paste them into the GOG Downloads directory.
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stryx: But doesn't that clutter up your GOG DOWNLOADS folder? I have a general download folder, where my browser defaults to and in that I create separate folders for each game, where I then save the files in.
That's exactly what the Downloader does automatically. See attached example...
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I don't think I will ever use galaxy. I'm not sure what it would add to my gaming experience. I just like to play games and I do that fine without a client.
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Martek: Wait.. what? You're the one 'selling credentials. You used yours to justify a 'Captain Obvious' observation (that many don't know the GOG Downloader is also a client and thusly how they love and hate clients), here:
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Martek:
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Martek: Twice you've pointed the 'I know you are but what am I' finger at me. First with the so-called 'irrelevancy' to 'the main point' (that you initially brought up); and now about 'selling credentials' (that you did first). Takes one to know one, eh?

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Martek:
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Martek: I hope you're not astroturfing.

The extra 'hoops' have been iterated many times in other posts by other posters (ITT and others), so I'm not going re-iterate them here. You are obviously keeping up with these threads, so I'm taking 'don't know' as 'disagree' and that's fine with me. It should not be difficult for you to find posts on the topic if you decide you do want to know.

But in addition to the extra 'hoops' to get to the GOG Downloader links; the Galaxy client itself isn't as good because it's lacks pausing, speed limits and time limits, which the Downloader has.
I love how you link to certain words though like your the only one that knows what they mean. Take care buddy, I'm done being amused here.

Never argue with an idiot. They will only bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. - George Carlin
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LINK:280#Q&_^Q&Q#
I love how you play smart in one post then play dumb in the next - whatever suits your debating 'strategy' at the moment.

George Carlin is my favorite comedian (was, R.I.P.). And you are no George Carlin..
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Martek: I love how you play smart in one post then play dumb in the next - whatever suits your debating 'strategy' at the moment.

George Carlin is my favorite comedian (was, R.I.P.). And you are no George Carlin..
I can't help you can't understand basic concepts. Of course I used my experience to justify the what I posted... I posted the damn thing. I said you were selling your credentials in what seems like a way to justify your opinion as being more valid to my own.

I have no problems with your experience being used to justify or debate the main point (ie what a client is)... neither of which you you used your experience to do. You didn't disagree with what I posted, you just disagreed that it needed to be posted. And frankly who the hell are you to question what I should or shouldn't post, this is a public forum for all.

Also of course I'm not George Carlin... hence the quote smart guy.
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htown1980: I don't think I will ever use galaxy. I'm not sure what it would add to my gaming experience. I just like to play games and I do that fine without a client.
Same for me. This is also why I love GOG, we have a choice. They always give us as many choices as they can :)
What's with all the pedantic arguing on a gaming site? It's not that serious, guys.
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zeroxxx: What?

Whether there's client or not, it doesn't change your DRM free games.
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bleclair: There you go again, assuming you know what was important to me (and others, albeit apparently just a few.) Sorry I have the "wrong" opinion, I'll get right on changing that. GoG's uniqueness to me, and why I bought here was, in order:

1) Old games available legally
2) The shelf, game boxes & manual sorting
3) Game extras
4) No client

Bonuses: No social crap & no indie games/half developed games to wade through

I don't give two shits about DRM. I own every game I've bought here (I think, they're in storage) physically anyway.

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zeroxxx: I don't even understand. GOG doesn't even try to threaten you by not installing their client, unlike Steam who holds your games 'hostages' if you don't install Steam client, yet some people are bitching about GOG client.
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bleclair: Again, not important to me. If you want to "own" games nowadays, you pretty much have to buy the console version and even then that's not guaranteed.

They're not threatening people to use their client? No, they are doing it passively aggressively by making it more complicated to download the files & by stopping all support on the downloader. (Not that I used the downloader anyway.) Oh, and by putting the Galaxy banners freakin' everywhere.

If you don't think they are going to do everything they can to herd all the cattle into using the client, you're... wrong.

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zeroxxx: Stupidity is everywhere, I guess.
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bleclair: No kidding! I found plenty in your post.
THIS

Many of you think we really care ONLY about the DRM FREE thing, when this is totally untruth, If I would really care about the DRM Free, I were not have already hundreds of games on STEAM.

My main reasons to be here are also:

1) Old games available legally (I should add new ones and indie ones too)
2) The shelf, game boxes & manual sorting
3) Game extras
4) No client

But again, is very easy to give lessons and boring long almost " marketing speech bibles" texts to just explain over and over "Oh! Galaxy is a new great business for GOG, things are changing because of it, you need to understand it... BUT HEY they do not want you to use it, it's "optional" (but changes are not)", wow, a m a z i n g paradox, that sounds very nice when you rift, twist, and explain twice two different things trying to say they are the same, YES but hey NO... LOL , like we are not living with and from this industry for decades...

Again. I wonder what would be the reaction of these "illuminated" people if some of their "main" features in this website would disappear...
Post edited May 19, 2015 by YaTEdiGo