plan99: There are no hard facts, in fact there's barely any new info at all. All we have to go on is new info (none, other than some blurb on a social site they apparently made and I only know about from following this *entire* thread) and past experience.
Sure there are, the GOG news article that was linked on the front page, sent out in the newsletter, RSS feed, Facebook, etc. points to the GOG Connect page at
https://www.gog.com/connect which has an FAQ that is located at
https://www.gog.com/connect#faq The majority of the questions and concerns that I have seen people ask/express in the forums are answered in that FAQ. Not every question is, nor is it necessarily answered with the highest amount of detail, but most things are answered there. Those are the hard facts that are known about GOG Connect so far, as well as any statements GOG employees have made in the forums to date. How is a published FAQ not hard facts?
plan99: As I said, it's an educated guess, which is neither wild nor a blind assumption. If anything is a "wild assumption" it would be your last sentence stating that educated guesses based on past experience are incorrect (not maybe, *are*). How do you know these thoughts, guesses (educated or not), assumptions are absolutely incorrect - prove that statement (it wasn't an opinion, you stated it as fact)?
I haven't seen any statement that GOG has made about GOG connect shown to be false to date, so when I see people making assumptions and/or claims that they are saying one thing and doing another thing when I do not see that being the case, I'm going to express my disagreement with that. If there is a claim they've made about GOG Connect that is now known to be false, I haven't seen it but I'd certainly like to be illuminated on the subject if I have missed something.
plan99: Why are you so obsessed with anyone who wonders if GOG is going to abandon another service/promo/feature whatever you want to call it even if you did have some inside info? People are free to speculate or ask questions without being constantly badgered or insulted as I've seen you do and you don't even speculate, you make unprovable statements of fact. Even after it was as near certainty as could be that the problems with Connect weren't with Steam, but GOG, you were, to my mind, being rude to people talking about the problem (you obviously hadn't paid attention and just wanted to treat people like they were wasting your valuable time - this thread is for *everyone*) - it *has* been proven to be problem on GOG's end.
Every time GOG unveils a new service, new feature, new <insert just about anything here>, there are people that come out of the woodwork to tear it apart and tear them apart. If they do something good for the community, someone trashes it and shits on it, states how it "isn't good enough" or any other number of things to try to make GOG out to be the big evil company, or that they're "trying to be like Steam" or some other negative nonsense. Sure, everyone has their opinion and are free to express it, and I am within the set of "everyone" so I'm expressing mine as well.
I've never said anywhere that GOG is flawless, nor that problems with Connect that people might have could be caused by bugs on GOG's side. It's highly plausible that they could have flaws on their side in a new service like this. We do however know that Steam has limits on API requests per day and that if they are reached that people will experience problems. That is a fact, however that does not translate into every problem anyone has using it at all is due to Steam limits either. I've never claimed anywhere that GOG has no fault in the problems happening, but I have offered people that are wondering why they have problems plausible answers based on what is known.
Since you've mentioned it, I can admit that I've gotten crusty a few times about this topic and bitched about it a bit, and I can go a step further and even agree that that's not really the healthiest way of handling things either. I generally keep my cool fairly well here I think, but I am human too and when you see the same things repeated over and over and over again it can sometimes get tiring so I let off a little steam.
plan99: I won't be wasting any more of *my* valuable time replying to unprovable statements of fact that anyone who disagrees with you is absolutely, 100% wrong. Now, if you want to be civil....
It depends on the nature of the specific dialogue. A lot has been discussed on the topic of GOG connect, some of it is speculation and some of it is factual. If people have differing speculative opinions on something that the facts aren't known about then they can hardly be 100% wrong. On the other hand if someone has an opinion on something where information has been provided and their opinion seems unreasonable in light of that information then I believe it's within reason to point that out.
Sure, parts of the conversation on all sides haven't been the most civil and I've contributed a bit to that as well, but the entire conversation between everyone doesn't have to go that way and I believe I'm being rather civil at the moment.
A couple of things that got me a little fired up was the volume of new posts being posted on the exact same topic over and over again seemingly multiple times per day all rehashing the same things, some of which were based upon people not reading the FAQ etc. and making bad assumptions about things. Another thing is people seeming to expect that the service was designed to send a constant stream of games from Steam to GOG ongoing which doesn't make a lot of sense as GOG has never claimed that. They never said it wouldn't either, but it's unreasonable IMHO to think that it will unless they've stated that is the plan somewhere. I don't have any inside information on this, but it is my
opinion that it is unreasonable for people to think there will be games available through connect all of the time purely based on contemplating the logical ways in which the games do actually become available. It doesn't make it a fact or prove anything, but rather to try to explain how things likely work and why with a rational explanation.
The third thing that kind of set me off, and it's one that always pushes my buttons is when people demonstrate entitlement mentality. I'm not calling any specific individual(s) out on that, but rather that the phenomenon within the gaming community out there at large is overly common and I find it a harmful way for people to think in general. People often no sooner find out they can get something for free than a minute later they complain about it not being free enough, not being the free thing that
they wanted, or some other detail is off about it and they lash out like something was stolen or taken away from them or something. That just really really bothers me personally, and I saw a lot of it the other day throughout the forums on a few different topics so I burned off a little steam. A better thing to do would have been to play some games or take a forum vacation for a few days I suppose but hindsight is always 20/20 as they say.
Anyhow, I hope that people who had problems with Connect end up with it being sorted out and hopefully they can claim some games if they were in the queue. Hopefully GOG has or will iron out any problems on their end with the service also and make it more robust for the next time around. It's my
opinion (to be clear) that GOG Connect will periodically make games available to us for a limited time occasionally when they are able to make a deal with a given publisher, and that the rest of the time there will be nothing available. I base that on statements made in the FAQ and some things I consider to be common sense even if they aren't facts itemized in a press release. I could totally be wrong about that since it is speculative, and perhaps in a month or so there will be dozens of games offered through Connect every day going forward from multiple publishers with no idle time. If that happens, I'll not only be happy to have expressed an opinion that turned out to be wrong, I'll gladly admit with shock and surprise "wow, I never could have seen that coming, you guys were 200% right" (to whoever out there thought/assumed that there would be a constant supply of games coming through Connect and the lack of them means it is discontinued).
In closing, sometimes we
all can take things too seriously and need to chill, myself included. No hard feelings to anyone, and none taken in either.