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Posted January 28, 2016
Excellent hand-picked games, 14-day refund policy, always DRM-free.

We want GOG.com to be the home of games that are both excellent and really worth your time.
In today's gaming world, we're seeing more and more titles that become hits before development dwindles down. We want to give you a way to enjoy what these games have to offer, a way that's comfortable and fair to you — the GOG.com way: that means evaluating each and every game, a 14-day no-questions-asked refund policy, and more.




That's why today, we're introducing the first five games in development:
Starbound (-33%)
Ashes of the Singularity (-25%)
Project Zomboid (-40%)
TerraTech (-30%)
The Curious Expedition (-15%)







The GOG.com way.
First and foremost: we're hand-picking only the games we can truly stand behind. Offering a selection of the most promising titles, and those most highly requested on the Community Wishlist, is our way of avoiding bloat and ensuring that every game will be worth your time.

It takes some confidence to discover games that are still being shaped — and to build that trust, every game in development comes with a simple refund policy: 14 days, no questions asked. It doesn't matter if you're having technical issues, if you don't think the game is sufficiently fleshed out, or if it simply doesn't click with you — all games in development can be returned for any reason within 14 days of purchase.

The GOG Galaxy client should also come in handy for games in development. It lets you control updates manually if you want, while the rollback feature allows you to easily restore any earlier version of your game if an update breaks something or makes unwanted changes. For games in development, rollback will also track and create historical snapshots throughout a game's development. That means you can always revisit any point in a game's history — for fun, or for science.






It's your call.
For those of you who prefer to wait for the final release, nothing will change. Once a game leaves active development, we will be making the announcement and giving the newest release proper exposure. Basically, business as usual.






More info.
Surely you have questions. You'll find many of the answers in the <span class="bold">games in development FAQ, including more details on the new refund policy. Our User Agreement has also been expanded to accommodate games in development — check out sections 6.12, 6.13, and 6.14 to find all the new information.




Enjoy your time with games in development!
Post edited January 28, 2016 by Konrad
Posted January 29, 2016
Awesome new feature! One more good idea that Steam uses but without the DRM ka ka doo doo. Keep it coming!
Posted January 29, 2016
I know a lot of people (including myself) have been burned by early access games, and that puts a bad stigma around them. Like other people have said, if you don't like that idea, don't buy the game. It's a bit of a divided topic, but I think that Early A. games can be a great thing when done properly, which have been done. I'm excited to see games like Project Zomboid become available here, already being a playable/fun game.

Just hope GOG (which I don't see them doing) start putting every game that becomes Early A. on site. Here looking forward to what else may be put on here.
Posted January 29, 2016
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Breja: Might I suggest we drop the pathetic "don't like, don't buy it" defence? Seriously, it's the most hopeless "argument" for anything ever. Don't like it? Don't watch/read/buy/listen to it. That's not an argument for anything. That doesn't address anything. When there are legitimate issues raised, they need to ba actually addressed, not handwaved away with a fifthgraders idea of a witty retort.
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KasperHviid: Normally, I would agree. But in this context, I think "don't like, don't buy it" is a perfectly valid argument!

See, people are not just saying that they themselves don't like 'early access' games. What they are saying is that GoG shouldn't sell those games at all.

I'm not trying to convert them to buy early access. That's their choice. But they see it as some kind of problem that GoG sells early access to me.

I think they could be a little more broad-minded and accept that GoG is selling products that they belive are crap, but which some other players likes. In other words: If you don't like early access, don't buy it.
I've already explained my problems wiith Early Access in this thread, and how they have nothing to do with me buying or playing such games personally, and why it bothers me personally that GOG has offers it now. I can only regret if I failed to explain it well enough.
Posted January 29, 2016
Starbound on GOG? Finally! (I knew it would happen)

GOG is giving you two weeks to try out these lovely titles with a bright future with zero risk your wallet or your pets.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MOANING.
Posted January 29, 2016
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wvpr: When I look at comments about Early Access or former Early Access games, that's the most common theme. They start out promising and weather the occasional bump. But then something happens behind the scenes to derail everything. A year later a developer drops by to explain they went back to school or took on other work because they ran out of funding. The game dies far short of the original potential.

I don't think most of the Early Access games that get exposure are scams. Their developers just fall victim to the same mistakes and unforeseen obstacles that bring down bigger releases from veteran studios. And since most Early Access teams are small and poorly funded, they suffer far more from individual hardships than a larger, better-funded company. Without some deep pockets and enough people to step in when someone drops out, even a great early effort is likely to fail.
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reative00: You're probably right, i've jump to scam conclusion too early. But my other point still stand - there ARE games already released, games that already DRM-Free, games that community wants on GoG... And they're refused by GoG. I undertand that CDPR have limited resources, but brining GiD titles that require more attention isn't way to change it. Thea: The Awakening that proves itself being good game, devs were open to release it on GoG and GoG were like "nope bye" and then they've contacted devs and change their minds... - this is one of examples. I just want good games here. If there will be good and bad games that's also okey. EA? Okey. But not if they have to choose this or this.
I don't mean to defend Early Access games that go defunct. If they're likely to fail along the way, it doesn't change the outcome whether they fail for an honest or dishonest reason. You're stuck with an unfinished game. I dislike all the various ways of getting sales without a product, whether it's preorders, Early Access, or season passes.

Looking at this from GOG's perspective, this move makes sense. A lot of money goes into some of these early access games. That's years of money and customers GOG won't pick up later on. It also makes sense to offer the games as "finished" experiences that will get additional work. Starbound is notorious for dragging out its development, but if you were buying it brand new today, it might feel complete enough for the price you paid. If GOG can limit their Early Access titles to games that deliver enough fun for the money without additional updates, it won't matter so much if the developers stall or give up completely. But they need to get that message across loud and clear, because Early Access games will get dropped no matter how promising they begin.
Post edited January 29, 2016 by wvpr
Posted January 29, 2016
Maybe this addition would have been necessary for GOG to keep up with the competition. So that's OK.

I'm not interested though.
Posted January 29, 2016
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gameragodzilla: No it is not. Blind fanboys are cementing the current gaming culture of buying unfinished products. If people approached every game rationally and checked the value proposition of the game as it is now, not as it might be in the future, then we wouldn't be in this situation.
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Breja: If wishes were horses... sure, blind fanboys are part of the problem too. I often remarked about that. But people are never going to be absolutely rational. In a world where all customers are rational, all the developers and publishers are trustworthy and always deliver quality products. That's Earth-487 unfortunately, not here.

The fact is, by offering Early Access GOG is encouraging participating in that culture I dislike so much, and let's not fool ourselves about the "curation". There were already plenty of issues with curation of unfinished games raised here. And like I said in this post, to me GOG used to be about not participating in, and not encouraging trends like this.

I'm not saying every Early Access game is bad and will be left unfinished, I said as much already. But I have a lot of problems with Early Access, and I greatly regrett that GOG is no longer standing by the kind of approach to gaming that I held precious. Even if all the Early games offered by GOG actually hold to a certain quality, accepting it is still accepting this culture of buying unfinished products that I just can't approve of. Because it gets people used to the idea of paying for things unfinished, and accepting things unfinished.

The problem isn't just that games get released in borderline unplayable state. It's that people grumble, but accept it, and buy the next game and the next the exact same way. And they do that, becasue they go used to playing unfinished, unpolished games. The fact that people got so used to lack of polish, even in "good" games with "boatloads of features" is the shift in gamers mentality I blame Early Access for.
It's not Early Access that's to blame with this. We've been seeing this type of bullshit for years, just under a different name. Instead of being called Early Access, it's called Season Pass, on disk DLC, or some other form to get you to pay for unfinished tripe. That's just the state of the industry, Early Access or no. The only way to combat it is to have consumers be rational and buy based on value instead of promise. And if the consumer does that, then regardless of what system or model is used for sales, the market will be healthy.

Thinking that GOG will be some "heaven" where you'd never have to deal with anything or be rational at all is a fantasy. It never was that and never will be that, especially as it grows. Like it or not, stuff like this is part of the market and if they want to grow, they'll have to expand there. So the only way to keep the system good is to keep everything fair and optional for the consumer. And that demands vigilance.
Post edited January 29, 2016 by gameragodzilla
Posted January 29, 2016
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evilnancyreagan: Starbound on GOG? Finally! (I knew it would happen)

GOG is giving you two weeks to try out these lovely titles with a bright future with zero risk your wallet or your pets.

I DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY MOANING.
Then don't read anything that came before or will come after your post. I think it's time for me to go into self-imposed exile from the forums for a while again. This community can be toxic sometimes.
Posted January 29, 2016
Great! Now everybody can pay full price for games that are not finished!!!

Awesome Steam policy that you copied GOG!

Bright future ahead of this service! How about start having paid mods?

Maybe GOG cards to be used in cons? Games for sale after changing to a higher price?

Because that's why I have GOG, to have another Steam!
Posted January 29, 2016
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delucca7: Great! Now everybody can pay full price for games that are not finished!!!
........unless im blind there is a launch discount .And people CAN read.
Posted January 29, 2016
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Niggles: ........unless im blind there is a launch discount .And people CAN read.
The problem is more that they chose the posterboy of 'bad early access', Starbound.
Posted January 29, 2016
1. GOG isn't Steam!!! (First and foremost: we're hand-picking only the games we can truly stand behind)
2.14-day refund policy, always DRM-free!!! :))
3.Ashes of Singularity looks definitely a game I would like
Posted January 29, 2016
we love you GOG <3
Posted January 29, 2016
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Niggles: ........unless im blind there is a launch discount .And people CAN read.
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Darvond: The problem is more that they chose the posterboy of 'bad early access', Starbound.
what is your problem with them????!??!
Posted January 29, 2016
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Niggles: ........unless im blind there is a launch discount .And people CAN read.
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Darvond: The problem is more that they chose the posterboy of 'bad early access', Starbound.
Have you not seen the abomination known as Starforge? Your opinion of 'bad' will change in but a few minutes of reading on that game.
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