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Posted January 28, 2016
Excellent hand-picked games, 14-day refund policy, always DRM-free.

We want GOG.com to be the home of games that are both excellent and really worth your time.
In today's gaming world, we're seeing more and more titles that become hits before development dwindles down. We want to give you a way to enjoy what these games have to offer, a way that's comfortable and fair to you — the GOG.com way: that means evaluating each and every game, a 14-day no-questions-asked refund policy, and more.




That's why today, we're introducing the first five games in development:
Starbound (-33%)
Ashes of the Singularity (-25%)
Project Zomboid (-40%)
TerraTech (-30%)
The Curious Expedition (-15%)







The GOG.com way.
First and foremost: we're hand-picking only the games we can truly stand behind. Offering a selection of the most promising titles, and those most highly requested on the Community Wishlist, is our way of avoiding bloat and ensuring that every game will be worth your time.

It takes some confidence to discover games that are still being shaped — and to build that trust, every game in development comes with a simple refund policy: 14 days, no questions asked. It doesn't matter if you're having technical issues, if you don't think the game is sufficiently fleshed out, or if it simply doesn't click with you — all games in development can be returned for any reason within 14 days of purchase.

The GOG Galaxy client should also come in handy for games in development. It lets you control updates manually if you want, while the rollback feature allows you to easily restore any earlier version of your game if an update breaks something or makes unwanted changes. For games in development, rollback will also track and create historical snapshots throughout a game's development. That means you can always revisit any point in a game's history — for fun, or for science.






It's your call.
For those of you who prefer to wait for the final release, nothing will change. Once a game leaves active development, we will be making the announcement and giving the newest release proper exposure. Basically, business as usual.






More info.
Surely you have questions. You'll find many of the answers in the <span class="bold">games in development FAQ, including more details on the new refund policy. Our User Agreement has also been expanded to accommodate games in development — check out sections 6.12, 6.13, and 6.14 to find all the new information.




Enjoy your time with games in development!
Post edited January 28, 2016 by Konrad
Posted January 29, 2016
That's very interesting.
I was a very early adopter of Project Zomboid, way before they went Steam. I wonder if i can ask them to switch my Steam copy for a GOG one.
I've been really pleased with titles in development now. I played some Dayz and The Long Dark and i loved them.
You have to be prepared for bugs, tho. If those annoy you, don't buy these games.

P.S. My biggest problem with those new releases is not that they are still in development, but that 3 out of five still have the otrageous "fair price" policy, which annoys me. I still don't like the idea to support companies that force regional pricing on gamers.
Posted January 29, 2016
I think the most valuable change from "early access" is not so much the ability to "pre-order" / buy the alpha version but having the game on GoG on day ONE of its launch. Not 2 weeks after it's been on Steam.

Early-access helps too, already have Project Zomboid, picked it on a HumbleBundle sale. :)
Posted January 29, 2016
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Siannah: Don't like it? Don't buy it. That simple.
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Breja: You do realise that this "argument" (or rather the ultimate lack of one) could as well be used to justify everything? If one day GOG releases DRMed games here, well- don't like, don't buy it.
You do realise that writing "DRM will come, mark my words" in every other thread and / or attaching it on every complain you have, not automatically make it reality?
If you really see a connection or even an indication between early access and DRMed games on GOG then sry, I simply don't.

Early access has it's potential problems, not even arguing it isn't so. So does Kickstarter, as has been proven several times. On the same page, I can look back to several games I supported on Kickstarter, that simply wouldn't exist without Kickstarter at all.
Every viable argument against early access has been brought up against Kickstarter before. In both cases anyone can simply circumvent it - by not participating. Hence my above answer.
Posted January 29, 2016
What was my disappointment when realized that discount is for couple of days only and not for whole "development" period.
Posted January 29, 2016
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KasperHviid: The Curious Expedition ... pixelart
Starbound ... also pixelart
Project Zomboid ... yet again pixelart

Terra Tech and Ashes of the Singularity is not pixelart ... because it's 3D.

Why does all 2D games have to be goddamn pixelart? GAH!

But these titles look plenty interesting, though.
Because most of these devs are either:

1. People that grew up with the 8-bit era of games, and judging from what I have seen mostly grew up with the Nintendo Entertainment System.

2. People are lazy becasue pixelart is cheap and easy to do.

I mean geez I have seen better 16-bit games than Starbound which seriously looks like a Terraria rip-off/clone.
Posted January 29, 2016
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dirtyharry50: I participated in exactly one crowd funding project - one. I don't regret it either. I've gotten plenty of entertainment value out of the experience. I hope you are not too disappointed to hear that.
Nah I'm delighted, you just admitted that you are a sucker, too
Posted January 29, 2016
I've never really liked Early Access on Steam due to the shortcomings inherent in their version:

* No refunds if the games turns out to be rubbish..
* No rollbacks if the dev's screw up what was once a great game.
* No quality control, leading to lots of abandoned, unfinished, rubbishy games.

It seems that GOG is taking a stab at doing Early Access properly, and for that I applaud them. I am quite hopeful that they will do a much better job of it.
Posted January 29, 2016
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itchy01ca01: Oh YAY. You open up the early access program to Starbound, one of the WORST examples of the early access program. Good job gog. Good job.

If you want proof, go on the steam forums and look at what the Starbound devs are pulling.

You could have at LEAST included games like "the long dark" or "The Forest".
But I can't fault you for project zomboid.
It's a matter of POV honestly. I'm really glad to see it finally here. Even though there are many issues (in game and devs related), I still love this game.

Good job GOG!
Posted January 29, 2016
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Khalaq: I've never really liked Early Access on Steam due to the shortcomings inherent in their version:

* No refunds if the games turns out to be rubbish..
* No rollbacks if the dev's screw up what was once a great game.
* No quality control, leading to lots of abandoned, unfinished, rubbishy games.

It seems that GOG is taking a stab at doing Early Access properly, and for that I applaud them. I am quite hopeful that they will do a much better job of it.
We GOGers should contribute to the curation aswell if this remains a thing.

We too have to curate and prevent games like The War Z, Day One Garry's Incident, and Guise of the Wolf from ever appearing on GOG.
Posted January 29, 2016
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Breja: You do realise that this "argument" (or rather the ultimate lack of one) could as well be used to justify everything? If one day GOG releases DRMed games here, well- don't like, don't buy it.
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Siannah: You do realise that writing "DRM will come, mark my words" in every other thread and / or attaching it on every complain you have, not automatically make it reality?
If you really see a connection or even an indication between early access and DRMed games on GOG then sry, I simply don't.
No, I don't. And I did not imply so. I just presented you with an example of how worthless an "argument" "don't like it, don't buy it" is. That in a totally theoretical situation of DRM being introduced to GOG your own "argument" could be used, and if you believe it applies here, you would have no grounds to reject it then. Don't feel bad, I'm sure reading comprehension is a problem for many.
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Posted January 29, 2016
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Breja: You do realise that this "argument" (or rather the ultimate lack of one) could as well be used to justify everything? If one day GOG releases DRMed games here, well- don't like, don't buy it.
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Siannah: You do realise that writing "DRM will come, mark my words" in every other thread and / or attaching it on every complain you have, not automatically make it reality?
If you really see a connection or even an indication between early access and DRMed games on GOG then sry, I simply don't.

Early access has it's potential problems, not even arguing it isn't so. So does Kickstarter, as has been proven several times. On the same page, I can look back to several games I supported on Kickstarter, that simply wouldn't exist without Kickstarter at all.
Every viable argument against early access has been brought up against Kickstarter before. In both cases anyone can simply circumvent it - by not participating. Hence my above answer.
That is a good point. I don't approve of it personally but I can and will simply ignore it. I've never approved of it on Steam either but I'm still there. I just ignore those titles. Actually, I don't even do that. Sometimes, I use Steam's "Follow" feature to follow their development if they look interesting to me so that's a plus.

It bothers me to see way too much (in my own opinion) of "give us the money now and we'll deliver the game later" which started with pre-orders a long time ago and has led to here. The thing is though, the demand is there or it would not be happening. Taking a pro-consumer point of view I feel this tends to bait consumers into making bad decisions but ultimately they are adults and should be capable of making responsible choices they can live with.

Even following this thread since I first posted in it I see plenty of people are happy about it so hopefully they pick winning titles and make out alright. A plus for those who abstain until something is done is that they will be able to follow the game's development and user reaction to it in the game's forum which will enable them to make an educated decision later when it is done.
Posted January 29, 2016
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Breja: The problem is that I'm on GOG because I don't want to be on Steam.
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Vojtas: Why? Because you wanted DRM-free games, right?
Yes. And no clients. No achievements. No Early Access. All the stuff I consider to be making gaming worse and worse. What appealed to me about GOG was that it was not just "Steam without DRM".

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Breja: Early Access is a blight.
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Vojtas: That's your opinion and it's a false one. World is not black or white.
No, it isn't. That statement is true, and does not apply here at all. Buying unfinished games has had a disasterous effect on the quality of games overall. That's a fact.

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Breja: I used to be happy to support the store GOG used to be. Now I'll just as gladly buy a game from Humble or FireFlower.
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Vojtas: You're absolutely right, DRM-free idea and classics publishers shouldn't be supported.
You do realise those stores I mentioned offer DRM-free games, right? In fact, FireFlower offers nothing but DRM-Free games. I didn't say I'm going to boycott GOG. I said GOG no longer deserves special treatment from me (waiting to buy games here, rather then buying elsewhere), the way it used to.
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Posted January 29, 2016
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Breja: No, don't think about it that way. That's not what it is. It's like buying a car that has no wheels, and a promise that one day you will actually get those. Would you call that a "complete" car just because you can sit inside, regulate your sit, open the windows, listen to the radio and make "brrrrm brrrrrm" noises?
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gameragodzilla: Well if someone slapped a "release model" tag on the end, would it suddenly be worth it? It's just a label. In both cases I mentioned, you're getting a certain product now with the promise that it'll be expanded in the future. There have been many cases of "complete" games either lacking in content (like Battlefront EA or Titanfall) or being buggy as hell (AssCreed Unity, Arkham Knight), all of which were promised to have more content and patches in the future, and often the case not delivering.
And what do we owe those shitty releases to? People buying unfinished games. In those cases it's pre-ordering, but it all comes down to the same problem- you don't need to actually finish your game, because people already paid for it. And Early Access, or In Development or whatever, it's all just cementing this new ruinous gaming culture of buying unfinished product.
Posted January 29, 2016
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Breja: No, I don't. And I did not imply so. I just presented you with an example of how worthless an "argument" "don't like it, don't buy it" is. That in a totally theoretical situation of DRM being introduced to GOG your own "argument" could be used, and if you believe it applies here, you would have no grounds to reject it then. Don't feel bad, I'm sure reading comprehension is a problem for many.
The argument works perfectly fine with each and every early access title, be it her on Steam or anywhere else. It also does for Kickstarter, which shares the same or at least similar problems.
Now bringing in oranges when we're talking about apples, doesn't make my argument any less applicable here, nor would it make it automatically appropriate in your "totally theoretical situation".
Posted January 29, 2016
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Elmofongo: 2. People are lazy becasue pixelart is cheap and easy to do.
Anything is cheap and easy to do, do it properly is another matter.

And why does 2D games have to be pixel?

OK, show me a 2D game that isn't pixel. :P

If you have sprites and 2D background it is necessarily pixels. XP
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