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Posted May 25, 2016
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Maxvorstadt: Ah, this is from 2010. But since then, there where lawsuits that gave the customers the right to re-sell their games, but Steam still refuses to do that. Technically, you can say that Steam is a criminal organization, because they don`t follow the law, but instead make their own laws. This is what people call "Mafia" or "Mob".
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Alaric.us: No. You have not read the article carefully. The article is from 2013, it merely mentions another lawsuit from 2010.

The other lawsuit that you mention is the Oracle lawsuit in 2013. It didn't change anything at all when it comes to your Steam account. Valve was sued again after the Oracle ruling, and won again.

I am sorry that you don't like this, but it's the truth.
That is simply not right! Are you a Steam agent?
Posted May 25, 2016
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Alaric.us: Sure.

http://www.geek.com/games/valve-sued-for-not-allowing-steam-users-to-resell-games-1538093/

Look up how this ended for instance.

For the record, I personally am all in favor of being able to sell, gift, and inherit games.

I feel that software should be treated as property, not as something one licenses for use.
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Maxvorstadt: Ah, this is from 2010. But since then, there where lawsuits that gave the customers the right to re-sell their games, but Steam still refuses to do that. Technically, you can say that Steam is a criminal organization, because they don`t follow the law, but instead make their own laws. This is what people call "Mafia" or "Mob".
Oh, and by the way, here`s a quote from your link:
However, back in July, the Court Justice of the European Union ruled that trading software licenses that are considered to be “used” is legal, and cannot be prevented by the creator of the software. The VZVB is using that ruling as the basis to sue Valve once again.
:-)
I have been unable to find anything to prove that you may inherit steam games. If you know of such a source please link it.
Post edited May 25, 2016 by MightyPinecone
Posted May 25, 2016
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Alaric.us: No. You have not read the article carefully. The article is from 2013, it merely mentions another lawsuit from 2010.

The other lawsuit that you mention is the Oracle lawsuit in 2013. It didn't change anything at all when it comes to your Steam account. Valve was sued again after the Oracle ruling, and won again.

I am sorry that you don't like this, but it's the truth.
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Maxvorstadt: That is simply not right! Are you a Steam agent?
LOL. Are you are using "not right" to mean "untrue" again?

Why?

All of this information is publicly available. If you were interested enough you could have looked it up a dozen times already. This conversation leads me to believe that you are not interested in knowing the actual state of things, but instead just want to spread your make-believe reality.

I'm done trying to educate you. If you (or others) actually want to know the details — LOOK THEM UP.

Edit: I guess MightyPinecone already did some of the work for you and found a relevant link. Here it is again:
http://www.internationallawoffice.com/Newsletters/IT-Internet/Germany/Osborne-Clarke/Court-rules-Valve-may-prohibit-Steam-account-transfers
Post edited May 25, 2016 by Alaric.us
Posted May 25, 2016
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Alaric.us: What you describe is what you want the law to be. Not what the law is.
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Maxvorstadt: Well, at least the law in Germany is like that what I wrote. To be honest, I don`t know how it is in the USA.
To be fair, for GOG, what is important is what the law is in either California or Cyprus. Other jurisdictions are irrelevant.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Maxvorstadt: Well, at least the law in Germany is like that what I wrote. To be honest, I don`t know how it is in the USA.
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pds41: To be fair, for GOG, what is important is what the law is in either California or Cyprus. Other jurisdictions are irrelevant.
If so, why are certain games not available in some countries? And why California? GoG sits in Cyprus, as far as I know.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Alaric.us: Edit: I guess MightyPinecone already did some of the work for you and found a relevant link. Here it is again:
http://www.internationallawoffice.com/Newsletters/IT-Internet/Germany/Osborne-Clarke/Court-rules-Valve-may-prohibit-Steam-account-transfers
Thanks, for some reason the link wouldn't work for me so I removed it. After a bit more testing it appears I can watch it in private mode, so it might be a cookie that's responsible for the trouble.
Posted May 25, 2016
If this was possible, ie GOG legally allowed this, you would need to provide proof of death and will of the former owner to transfer their games to the new guy. GOG would also need to set up a system to receive and verify both these claims, as well as find the new owner and give the games to them. It would be a lot of work for a rarely used feature.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Maxvorstadt: Well, at least the law in Germany is like that what I wrote. To be honest, I don`t know how it is in the USA.
I'm too tired currently to work through the whole Steam user agreement stuff but if it is a personalized license agreement it is completely possible that the heirs would not inherit the Steam account under German law.
When it comes to providing services, continuing to provide those to others which whom the original contract wasn't made can be denied under certain circumstances.
Steam would have to cancel the "service contract" (grant access to video games based on a license agreement) because the person they made the contract is, is dead.
Again the circumstances would have to be just right for that. I'd like to see a court case.
It would be similar to inheriting a library card, I guess.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Maxvorstadt: Well, at least the law in Germany is like that what I wrote. To be honest, I don`t know how it is in the USA.
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Piranjade: I'm too tired currently to work through the whole Steam user agreement stuff but if it is a personalized license agreement it is completely possible that the heirs would not inherit the Steam account under German law.
When it comes to providing services, continuing to provide those to others which whom the original contract wasn't made can be denied under certain circumstances.
Steam would have to cancel the "service contract" (grant access to video games based on a license agreement) because the person they made the contract is, is dead.
Again the circumstances would have to be just right for that. I'd like to see a court case.
It would be similar to inheriting a library card, I guess.
No, it would be similar to inheriting a bank account. :-)
Posted May 25, 2016
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pds41: To be fair, for GOG, what is important is what the law is in either California or Cyprus. Other jurisdictions are irrelevant.
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Maxvorstadt: If so, why are certain games not available in some countries? And why California? GoG sits in Cyprus, as far as I know.
because their user agreement specifies if you are resident of the USA California (mor specifically LA) courts have jurisdiction:

https://www.gog.com/support/policies/gog_user_agreement

For users in the USA only:

17.2 You and we agree that your use of GOG services and GOG content, and this Agreement, will be deemed to be entered into in Los Angeles, California and governed by and interpreted according to the laws of the State of California, USA (and, if applicable, US Federal law). Any legal claim by you against GOG.com will be made exclusively in any state or federal court located in Los Angeles, California, which will have subject matter jurisdiction regarding the dispute between you and us and therefore we both consent to the exclusive jurisdiction of those courts. In any legal claim under this Agreement, the side which wins will be entitled to its legal fees and expenses.
Posted May 25, 2016
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Piranjade: I'm too tired currently to work through the whole Steam user agreement stuff but if it is a personalized license agreement it is completely possible that the heirs would not inherit the Steam account under German law.
When it comes to providing services, continuing to provide those to others which whom the original contract wasn't made can be denied under certain circumstances.
Steam would have to cancel the "service contract" (grant access to video games based on a license agreement) because the person they made the contract is, is dead.
Again the circumstances would have to be just right for that. I'd like to see a court case.
It would be similar to inheriting a library card, I guess.
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Maxvorstadt: No, it would be similar to inheriting a bank account. :-)
The content of bank account is property, that is not the case with the games on the Steam account. You only have a license to access them.
While in both cases you may have a service agreement, your relation to the "object" the service agreement is about is totally different. You own the money in your bank account, you don't own the games in your Steam account.

That's why it is closer to a library card IMO, as this also only gives you access to the books in there but you don't own them. (Admittedly to ALL the books in the library which is kind of a better deal than Steam ;-))
Posted May 25, 2016
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Piranjade: I'm too tired currently to work through the whole Steam user agreement stuff but if it is a personalized license agreement it is completely possible that the heirs would not inherit the Steam account under German law.
When it comes to providing services, continuing to provide those to others which whom the original contract wasn't made can be denied under certain circumstances.
Steam would have to cancel the "service contract" (grant access to video games based on a license agreement) because the person they made the contract is, is dead.
Again the circumstances would have to be just right for that. I'd like to see a court case.
It would be similar to inheriting a library card, I guess.
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Maxvorstadt: No, it would be similar to inheriting a bank account. :-)
No it would not. Stop spreading misinformation. You were proven wrong already. In case you missed it, here it is again:

http://www.internationallawoffice.com/Newsletters/IT-Internet/Germany/Osborne-Clarke/Court-rules-Valve-may-prohibit-Steam-account-transfers

This is a German court, in Germany, acting under German law — the same law you are subject to.
Post edited May 25, 2016 by Alaric.us
Posted May 25, 2016
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Maxvorstadt: No, it would be similar to inheriting a bank account. :-)
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Alaric.us: No it would not. Stop spreading misinformation. You were proven wrong already. In case you missed it, here it is again:

http://www.internationallawoffice.com/Newsletters/IT-Internet/Germany/Osborne-Clarke/Court-rules-Valve-may-prohibit-Steam-account-transfers
Well, what does a page prove where I`m prompted to register?
Posted May 25, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: If this was possible, ie GOG legally allowed this, you would need to provide proof of death and will of the former owner to transfer their games to the new guy. GOG would also need to set up a system to receive and verify both these claims, as well as find the new owner and give the games to them. It would be a lot of work for a rarely used feature.
It might be rarely used feature now, but in the future, if there is no change in how games (and other software) are bought and owned, it will become a real and common issue

and as game owners age and start thinking about that, whether a service allows you to inherit libraries might become one of things customers consider when choosing where to buy games
Posted May 25, 2016
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Alaric.us: No it would not. Stop spreading misinformation. You were proven wrong already. In case you missed it, here it is again:

http://www.internationallawoffice.com/Newsletters/IT-Internet/Germany/Osborne-Clarke/Court-rules-Valve-may-prohibit-Steam-account-transfers
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Maxvorstadt: Well, what does a page prove where I`m prompted to register?
Ah so you haven't read it? Very well, here is how you can. Right click on the link and select "open in incognito window" or just open an incognito/private window in your browser and paste the link there.

But since you probably cannot be bothered, here is the beginning of the article. For the rest of it, you'll have to actually go read it yourself:

February 18 2014. The Berlin Regional Court has dismissed a lawsuit brought by German consumer watchdog group Verbraucherzentrale Bundesverband (vzbv) against Valve Inc over provisions in the company's terms of service that prohibited the sale or transfer of user accounts on the Steam digital distribution platform.
Post edited May 25, 2016 by Alaric.us
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