It seems that you're using an outdated browser. Some things may not work as they should (or don't work at all).
We suggest you upgrade newer and better browser like: Chrome, Firefox, Internet Explorer or Opera

×
low rated
avatar
Alaric.us: No. That statement is false. You are spreading misinformation.

What you are describing is the state of your ideal world. There I agree with you. My ideal world would look the same when it comes to this issue. However, this does not reflect reality and the current laws.
avatar
Maxvorstadt: What I describe is the law. What you describe is what Steam wants!
What you describe is what you want the law to be. Not what the law is.
The Law
You realize you dudes are in completely different countries, right?

Although I suspect Max might be disappointed to find out about German inheritance laws somewhere down the road.
avatar
tinyE: 'The meek shall inherit the games.'
'But not it's minecraft rights.'
low rated
avatar
yogsloth: You realize you dudes are in completely different countries, right?

Although I suspect Max might be disappointed to find out about German inheritance laws somewhere down the road.
I'm talking about German laws. You see, various European entities (including German ones) have sued Valve many times and lost.

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Lost in their local European courts. Not once and not twice.
avatar
Maxvorstadt: What I describe is the law. What you describe is what Steam wants!
avatar
Alaric.us: What you describe is what you want the law to be. Not what the law is.
Well, at least the law in Germany is like that what I wrote. To be honest, I don`t know how it is in the USA.
avatar
Alaric.us: No. That statement is false. You are spreading misinformation.

What you are describing is the state of your ideal world. There I agree with you. My ideal world would look the same when it comes to this issue. However, this does not reflect reality and the current laws.
avatar
Maxvorstadt: What I describe is the law. What you describe is what Steam wants!
Mm, this was discussed elsewhere. What you actual buy in terms of digital products is a license - you don't buy a physical thing, just the ability to use some software. Dependant on that software, the EULA generally will state that the license is for you and that any lending, sharing (of which inheritance is) is against the law.
I don't think this particular case however has been taken to court yet, your welcome to try if you have the money, but that is what software companies are trying to push, eventually you will not even have anything on your computer, just a web access to the cloud.
avatar
yogsloth: You realize you dudes are in completely different countries, right?

Although I suspect Max might be disappointed to find out about German inheritance laws somewhere down the road.
avatar
Alaric.us: I'm talking about German laws. You see, various European entities (including German ones) have sued Valve many times and lost.

EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

Lost in their local European courts. Not once and not twice.
That is not right!
avatar
Maxvorstadt: That is not right!
I'm not discussing right and wrong here. I'm merely saying what the law is.
Post edited May 25, 2016 by Alaric.us
avatar
Maxvorstadt: That is not right!
avatar
Alaric.us: I'm not discussing right and wrong here. I'm merely saying what the law is.
I said that your statement isn`t right, I wasn`t talking about right or wrong in general.
But for you I rephrase it:
What you wrote is not true. :-)
THUNDERDOME

Two men enter, one man leaves!

Somebody better link to some factual shit soon.
low rated
avatar
yogsloth: THUNDERDOME

Two men enter, one man leaves!

Somebody better link to some factual shit soon.
Sure.

http://www.geek.com/games/valve-sued-for-not-allowing-steam-users-to-resell-games-1538093/

Look up how this ended for instance.


For the record, I personally am all in favor of being able to sell, gift, and inherit games.

I feel that software should be treated as property, not as something one licenses for use.

The actual reason you can't inherit games, is because currently software is not property. It is more akin to a right. In this case you have a license, which grants YOU a right to use something. That right is not transferable and therefore not inheritable. When it comes to law, rights and titles are generally treated that way. So if your father is a Ph.D. or a colonel, you don't get to inherit his title. (Noble titles are the exception and not even all of them.)
Post edited May 25, 2016 by Alaric.us
avatar
yogsloth: THUNDERDOME

Two men enter, one man leaves!

Somebody better link to some factual shit soon.
avatar
Alaric.us: Sure.

http://www.geek.com/games/valve-sued-for-not-allowing-steam-users-to-resell-games-1538093/

Look up how this ended for instance.

For the record, I personally am all in favor of being able to sell, gift, and inherit games.

I feel that software should be treated as property, not as something one licenses for use.
Ah, this is from 2010. But since then, there where lawsuits that gave the customers the right to re-sell their games, but Steam still refuses to do that. Technically, you can say that Steam is a criminal organization, because they don`t follow the law, but instead make their own laws. This is what people call "Mafia" or "Mob".
Oh, and by the way, here`s a quote from your link:
However, back in July, the Court Justice of the European Union ruled that trading software licenses that are considered to be “used” is legal, and cannot be prevented by the creator of the software. The VZVB is using that ruling as the basis to sue Valve once again.
:-)
Post edited May 25, 2016 by Maxvorstadt
avatar
Alaric.us: Sure.

http://www.geek.com/games/valve-sued-for-not-allowing-steam-users-to-resell-games-1538093/

Look up how this ended for instance.

For the record, I personally am all in favor of being able to sell, gift, and inherit games.

I feel that software should be treated as property, not as something one licenses for use.
avatar
Maxvorstadt: Ah, this is from 2010. But since then, there where lawsuits that gave the customers the right to re-sell their games, but Steam still refuses to do that. Technically, you can say that Steam is a criminal organization, because they don`t follow the law, but instead make their own laws. This is what people call "Mafia" or "Mob".
No. You have not read the article carefully. The article is from 2013, it merely mentions another lawsuit from 2010.

The other lawsuit that you mention is the Oracle lawsuit in 2013. It didn't change anything at all when it comes to your Steam account. Valve was sued again after the Oracle ruling, and won again.

I am sorry that you don't like this, but it's the truth.
Post edited May 25, 2016 by Alaric.us
Well there is a caveat in Steam inheritance polices, not sure where i found it. It basically says this is so and so and you cant inherit steam accounts, except IF you are in an EU country AND that country has a law that explicitly states otherwise.