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tfishell: Makes me wonder what it would actually take for people to stop using GOG altogether.
I dunno about you, the web pages are mostly centered across the entire website right now and if they were to say, shift the content area 5 pixels to the left, that would be it for me. I'd close my account in a minute and never shop here again! Then I'd probably go kick the neighbour's cat because... FIVE PIXELS!!! WTF!!@?!?!
Post edited March 11, 2015 by skeletonbow
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tfishell: Makes me wonder what it would actually take for people to stop using GOG altogether.
For them to stop selling what I want under terms I can accept.

Or for some other shop to show up that offers all that as well as a display of and history of good choices, practises, openness and honesty.
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tfishell: Makes me wonder what it would actually take for people to stop using GOG altogether.
As Sinistar said, DRM. Being tied to a client in any way counts as exactly that in my individual case.
CAN'T YOU ALL SEE YOU'RE TEARING THIS FAMILY APARHARHART! D:
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tfishell: Makes me wonder what it would actually take for people to stop using GOG altogether.
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IAmSinistar: DRM.

Though this death-by-a-thousand-cuts is really testing the boundaries.
I'd imagine it'd be especially hard for you as you have a ton of "connection"/memories/etc. here (at least based on the whopping amount of rep you've gained in your time here ;).
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tfishell: Makes me wonder what it would actually take for people to stop using GOG altogether.
Removing their old games would be a massive deal-breaker for me. DRM is a very close second.
Post edited March 11, 2015 by Grargar
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Treasure: Size and smallness/bigness is in the eye of the beholder; for me 1.5 GB isn't small-as a matter of fact, it's 2 cd-roms in terms of size!
And I usually don't download stuff at my home as I don't trust my internet connection to be stable enough and download them on a USB stick from other places with more stable internet.Although I should probably just empty my 32 GB USB one of these days and format it to NTFS or something, but that still won't solve the problem that while a big game downloads I'll be worried on whether it'll become corrupted and I'll have to redownload it (this especially with such sizes as the bigger ones they put out recently-2.5 and 3.9 Gbs). Also, my downloading stuff mostly outside of my home (with the exception of files smaller than 300 mbs-that's the most I trust my internet connection for, even though it might be more stable than I feel it is) means I don't usually use the GOG downloader, because I obviously cannot install whatever I want in machines that aren't mine.
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IAmSinistar: Has anyone ever suggested a "GOG By Mail" service? Say for a nominal fee GOG will burn your library to a DVD-rom or whatever and physically mail it to you. I'm sure there are legal and financial impediments to the idea, but could be nice for folks with unreliable internet.

You'd still have to download patches and newer versions since your last GOG By Mail, of course. But at least some devs do proper patches instead of pushing out another Xgig release of the base game.
I can't tell if you're joking or not-text on the internet tends to do that-so I'll suppose you're being serious.
This wouldn't work because of the postage costs people would have to pay (Cyprus, for example, might be closer to Poland than the USA is, but the postage costs are still going to be pretty high) and there isn't a point in buying games in discount if the postage in this service you proposed is going to be double their full-price... Plus, I personally manage for the moment with going to other places to download my stuff-I have downloaded at least two thirds of my collection that way...
Also, my connection might be more reliable than I think it is, but I have some problem trusting it after some previous issues when while I was browsing the internet would disconnect and I found out by refreshing a page and said page said I wasn't connected to the internet and had to reconnect...
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tfishell: I'd imagine it'd be especially hard for you as you have a ton of "connection"/memories/etc. here (at least based on the whopping amount of rep you've gained in your time here ;).
It would indeed. GOG got me back into PC gaming after I had abandoned it for years. If I left GOG I'd probably just quit buying PC games once more. And although my backlog would still last me a good while, I'd miss the community here the most.
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IAmSinistar: ARGH, are my posts freaking invisible? I've posted this very thing TWICE so far.

Nghnnnnn...
You can bet the number will continue to increase ..... and that will give an "excuse" for GOG.

i read this whish and as i proposed yesterday : the solution to split the different games in one bundle as download links would have been a compromise and avoided the problem of duplicate bonus and fits to this wish.

They already used this solution for Ishar compilation (just an example) , i'm baffle they didn't used it this time.....

Maybe that doesn't work with their plans for the client.... but to me all of this is for Galaxy.... nothing more.
Post edited March 11, 2015 by DyNaer
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Treasure: I can't tell if you're joking or not-text on the internet tends to do that-so I'll suppose you're being serious.
I'm being serious. And while the postage-per-game would be untenable, I'm talking about getting your whole game library in one fell swoop. Surely that's not too exorbitant, to pay postage on a small stack of disks that contain 100 (or 500, or however many) games.

Again, the main concern after that is getting updates, which still need to be downloaded if they are released after you've gotten your disks. Though if the price is low enough, you could always just order the whole set again every year or whatever.
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Treasure: I can't tell if you're joking or not-text on the internet tends to do that-so I'll suppose you're being serious.
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IAmSinistar: I'm being serious. And while the postage-per-game would be untenable, I'm talking about getting your whole game library in one fell swoop. Surely that's not too exorbitant, to pay postage on a small stack of disks that contain 100 (or 500, or however many) games.
I see-well, maybe that would work in countries with small postage costs but not in ones with higher such costs-case in point: I wanted recently to order 2 books from Greece and the postage the Greek site charged to send the books was 10 euros (I think now that the euro and dollar are getting more equivalent that's about 9 dollars). The books themselves weren't that expensive (both of them!) so I thought I'd just borrow them from the library or something...
Also, as for the small stack of disks I'd receive with such a service, I'd have a problem on where to put them (I''m running out of physical space in my house for some reason!-hence part of why I turned to mostly digital purchases-they don't eat space at least...)-and the same with others with physical space problems...

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IAmSinistar: Again, the main concern after that is getting updates, which still need to be downloaded if they are released after you've gotten your disks. Though if the price is low enough, you could always just order the whole set again every year or whatever.
Thankfully I personally don't care about the updates though-I don't usually download them unless they're major ones...

So anyways, I might be more positive in this initiative if I lived in Poland and had more space-but I don't...


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Post edited March 11, 2015 by Treasure
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mrkgnao: I assume it is too late to convince you to cancel this endeavour altogether, but I do have one request.

Please name the unbundled game so that when sorted by title all the games of one bundle will be located consecutively on one's shelf. Please!

I can't think of a user who would want "Beyond Zork" under B and "Zork III" under "Z".
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HypersomniacLive: This is very reasonable request; what makes you think they'll listen to you?
While they're at it, maybe they could extend this to "Return to Zork," which has always been under "R." Or maybe fix the Myst series so they're not scattered around the shelf.
Post edited March 11, 2015 by penumbren
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IAmSinistar: At 17 votes I can see why GOG felt the need to act on it.
To be fair, it's something many people didn't think of but will still appreciate. I for one think that it's a very sensible move.
Plus it's probably also largely related to technical things in the background that concern GOG more than us like reduced traffic, easier preparation and distribution of updates etc..
I see some people have some good thoughts for how to organize their shelves in a way that makes more sense, such as grouping all of the Myst games consecutively and that sort of thing. I did some thinking about all of it and I think what would make the most sense is not for GOG to listen to any one person or viewpoint and go with that while someone else might not be able to get things sorted the way they want, but instead to provide the user interface and tools/features on the website (and in the client) to let us customize our game shelves/list/etc. to look the way we want it to ourselves.

In theory, by having all of the games individually split out, later on features can be rolled out as enhancements to both the website and Galaxy that do allow us to make multiple shelves or to create groups of games, categories, add tags and other features many of us have mentioned above, but they can't really implement a lot of those features with the way the shelves are currently. For example, for people who do want to see each individual game, bonus game etc. independently or to download them independently there is just no way to do that at the moment at all, and no way to organize the shelf other than the 2 static options and the manual option which is very very limited.

By making the change they are making right now it provides a lot more options for future enhancements of many of the ideas people have suggested so far who don't even like the current change. They could include features later on that allow people to download multiple games at a time if they wished to and in a potentially even more flexible manner than the way it has been in the past. We wont know what features they will implement or when, but there are a lot of possibilities of what they could do when things are broken out like this that aren't really possible with the old way.

For example, some people want to be able to download one pack and get all of the 5 or so games in one download and don't like this change for that reason. But there's nothing technically preventing GOG from implementing a way to do that very same thing even with games showing up individually on the shelf. If a feature is implemented to allow creating categories or collections in the display, an option could easily be added like "download and archive this entire game collection" for example, but the option is still there for people to download/install only one game at a time if they wish. Sure, those features might not exist immediately, but the possibility of implementing them is there at least and if there is high enough demand for "I want to download an entire collection of games like before" does actually exist, they're likely to consider adding some way to do that in the future potentially.

The same is true for many other things people may dislike about the changes, maybe not everything, but a lot of peoples discontent seem to be things I can envision in my own mind how you could implement something similar on top of what they're currently doing in theory. They've got finite resources and obviously are pretty busy right now with existing projects but if enough people want some feature bad enough there's a good chance they will eventually provide it if it is technically doable and sound I believe.

I too want many of the features/functions many of you have suggested both for and against the current changes, and I think we're likely to get some of them if we're patient enough.
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IAmSinistar: At 17 votes I can see why GOG felt the need to act on it.
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F4LL0UT: To be fair, it's something many people didn't think of but will still appreciate.
I certainly do, myself. I had thought about it before since the way bundles are currently handled has been inconvenient and annoying to me, but I didn't raise a stink about it with the powers that be because it's only slightly so. And I also don't really visit the community wishlist very much.

Though on that point, the wishlist isn't the sole way of communicating the desire for certain things to the GOG team, I would think. There's forum posts, private messages, emails, reviews, that sort of thing. The folks running the place are likely privy to a great deal more information on what folks are wanting as a whole that they've seen over time instead of just having to hunt and peck for it like we have to with basic search functions long after the fact.

But regardless of whatever popular support there may or may not be, I'm still personally all for this as it really only affects me in positive ways. I say it's high time to get on board the unbundling train! And since I am the most important person I know, what I say goes! :D