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Fever_Discordia: I think people are just being resistant to change for the sake of being resistant to change - imagine if everything was reversed and everything had already been separate and now GOG was in the process of bundling things up - imagine the butt-hurt of people moaning that it was making them seem like they had less games on their shelves or that they'd manually arranged games according to whether they'd completed them or not and they'd finished, say, Tomb Raider 1 and not the other 2 - I think there would be more complains going in that direction, in that weird, parallel reality!
I beg to differ.

I wouldn't resist a library that does not have games disappear haphazardly or a notification system that notifies one when any file changes, to name just two changes off the top of my head.

Unfortunately these changes do not have 18 votes on the wishlist so they are not considered by GOG.
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Ciris: Will we be able to toggle unbundling?
No. We're doing this for all the games, it's not a customisable feature - it's something we'd been planning for a while now as a more accurate representation of the games on your shelf.
Can we at least have a downloader file that links back to all of the games in the pack? Having to find and download every file from sets of five or more games will get rather tedious. Even a link between the game pages for other components of the same game would be nice. I'm perfectly fine with having unbundled games, so long as it's made clear what the set originally was.

I can create a wishlist item if you'd prefer. I just think it's a nice middle ground between bundlers and unbundlers. :)
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geminidomino: Out of curiosity, why is that a good thing re: Sword of the Stars? I always thought it was a bug (or, at best, a misfeature) since every time it goes on sale, it's trying to sell me the Gold Edition in spite of it having nothing to add.
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IAmSinistar: It's not, I'm being sarcastic. I have all the SotS:TP pieces, and they continue to offer the GE to me as though it's going to give me something I don't already have. Very annoying.
Derp. And I bit down on it. Well executed on your part, there. ;)
If you want to save a list of your games, this is with firefox, should work with other browsers as well

File > Save Page As..

and will download your game library as gog.com.html.

All the best
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Fever_Discordia: I think people are just being resistant to change for the sake of being resistant to change - imagine if everything was reversed and everything had already been separate and now GOG was in the process of bundling things up - imagine the butt-hurt of people moaning that it was making them seem like they had less games on their shelves or that they'd manually arranged games according to whether they'd completed them or not and they'd finished, say, Tomb Raider 1 and not the other 2 - I think there would be more complains going in that direction, in that weird, parallel reality!
I think people complain just for the sake of complaining. It's no secret that the minority who are anti-Galaxy (and yes it is a minority) are going to blame any change on that, especially considering he referenced that in the original post. I personally don't see what the big deal is.

Now, that being said, the reason this isn't a big deal on places like Steam is because there are other tools in place to help overclogging of lists, like hiding games as well as setting categories. If GoG had some of these other tools I think this probably would be better embraced.
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Ciris: Bonus goodies: will I get four copies of the same wallpaper/soundtrack/etc, or will there be yet another folder apart from the games which house those?
They will be the same for each one of the unbundled games, and available alongside each one, so you don't have to remember which game they're under.
For example, if game X+Y+Z had 2 wallpapers and manual, after unbundling the same 2 wallpapers and manual will be visible on game X, on game Y and game Z.
i can't wait to see the mess with might & magic 6 se T_T , since some bonus are specific to one game or another....

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Ciris: Galaxy wasn't supposed to affect other users, and this is affecting us.
As I said in my initial post, and in this one as well, the change isn't dictated by the introduction of the GOG Galaxy Client. Instead, it's a change we'd been planning and a change that's been asked for many times that we're implementing at this time. The fact that it'll make for faster installations when using the optional client is just an extra bonus :)
Like requested by someone else ; i'd like to see the whish you speak of .....
Post edited March 11, 2015 by DyNaer
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Fever_Discordia: I think people are just being resistant to change for the sake of being resistant to change - imagine if everything was reversed and everything had already been separate and now GOG was in the process of bundling things up - imagine the butt-hurt of people moaning that it was making them seem like they had less games on their shelves or that they'd manually arranged games according to whether they'd completed them or not and they'd finished, say, Tomb Raider 1 and not the other 2 - I think there would be more complains going in that direction, in that weird, parallel reality!
+1

It is somewhat human nature to be resistant to change though too as we're creatures that seek comfort from familiarity and often see change as suspicious at a minimum. Even if we may be inconvenienced (or have the perception of such) by a particular change with something in life, often over time the benefits of change outweigh any temporary drawbacks. As they say, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs. To be honest though I think it is far too early to draw any conclusions about this particular change and I think it is trivial line noise in the big picture grand scheme of things.

With respect to breakage, if half of my game shelf could vanish, have the wrong game name on the wrong box etc. for a week and while I'd prefer it didn't it wouldn't phase me in the slightest, nor would it make me angry or upset with GOG for in my mind they wouldn't purposefully do something like that to irritate me or anyone else, but rather I see such things as unfortunate glitches and growing pains that are temporarily lived and in my eyes are easily forgotten once they've passed by. I know they're working on some major revamps and while I have no idea if I'll like everything they're doing or not I can choose to give them the benefit of doubt and find something I do like about what they are doing and feel good about that, giving constructive feedback to them to help shape things to come, or I can hone in on things I don't like and be upset with them about it and focus on that alone even if they also are doing things I do like, and I can feel miserable, angry, upset or frustrated about it along the way and have a worse experience.

I know I'm not going to love every single thing they do because they aren't catering everything they do to me exclusively, so there will always be something I don't like and if I just focus on that I will never be happy and always be upset with them. They've given me a great product and service that has made gaming fun for me again over the last few years though, and even though I might not like every single thing they do, I know they work hard to bring us what they perceive to be improvements to their service and product offerings over time and that sometimes they'll get that right and sometimes they'll get it wrong and hopefully correct it, and other times yet they'll do something where people feel more polarized about it - such as the case with game unbundling. The good things they provide far outweigh any perceived bad though in my eyes, and I think they have nothing but good intentions for their customers and gaming in general so I'm willing to both give them the benefit of doubt overall and also tend to be more patient and wait and see attitude about things myself.

I'm not in any way saying anyone else should think or feel like this however, but it's what seems to work best for me personally in order to have an ongoing great experience here even in the midst of changes I may or may not like or bugs/glitches in the experience. It's a lot better experience than I've had with multitudes of other companies and for that I'm grateful even if I don't like something from time to time in the interim, and believe me - there are things I don't like too, but they're drowned out by the otherwise great experience I have overall.
I notice that Cognition (which was already unbundled, so I didn't expect it to get affected) now has the same image on every episode.

EDIT: The barely legible text to tell them apart from each other also mislabels number #3 as #4.
Post edited March 11, 2015 by Rixasha
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Cavenagh: If you want to save a list of your games, this is with firefox, should work with other browsers as well

File > Save Page As..

and will download your game library as gog.com.html.

All the best
Another trick people might find useful if using Firefox, is to use the list view and click and drag the mouse over the entire list of game names, then fire up Mozilla Thunderbird and paste. This copies the actual HTML so it captures the game card icons as well. It may work pasting into other applications that are HTML-aware but Thunderbird is the only one I've successfully done it with so far. I then can export the email message to a file and have it. Ugly hack but it works. :) One could also just view-source and select the relevant HTML but that's a bit messier to navigate through. This trick does not work with Google Chrome last I tried as it does not seem to copy the HTML but rather just the rendered text, but that may be all someone wants anyway.

Anyhow, that's a few tricks that might be useful to folks in addition.

TTYL
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DyNaer: Like requested by someone else ; i'd like to see the whish you speak of .....
This is all I could find.

EDIT: And some numbnuts have been voting it up since I exposed it. GOG may as well mark it as In Progress now and make that swelling throng happy. -_-
Post edited March 11, 2015 by IAmSinistar
It makes sense for a few games, but not most.

Here's my opinion on it:

If it's episodic, consolidate it. 1 game box, with separate installers at most.

If it shares the same user manual or file resources, consolidate it.

If it's a collection that is less than 1gb, consolidate it.
Splitting old (and small) games like Zork Anthology seems a little excessive....
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Ciris: [...]

How will the new games be ordered on the shelf: at the start/end as newest appearances, or with the games they are related to?
If you have games ordered by purchase date, they will be placed where the old game was placed. If You have manual sorting they will be placed at the beginning of your collection.

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You are aware that purchase date refers to the actual date a game was bought and doesn't get the NEW flag if the code isn't redeemed the day it was purchased, right?
You do know that having games listed by the date they were initially purchased is exactly zero useful when they're gifted games, right?


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Ciris: [...]

Bonus goodies: will I get four copies of the same wallpaper/soundtrack/etc, or will there be yet another folder apart from the games which house those?
They will be the same for each one of the unbundled games, and available alongside each one, so you don't have to remember which game they're under.
For example, if game X+Y+Z had 2 wallpapers and manual, after unbundling the same 2 wallpapers and manual will be visible on game X, on game Y and game Z.

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Let me see if I got this right - instead of fixing this mess that already accompanies other games (Cognition comes to mind), you're expanding it to more titles.
I guess no one at GOG has thought or cares about the confusion, frustration and wasted bandwidth this will cause.


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Ciris: [...]

Galaxy wasn't supposed to affect other users, and this is affecting us.
As I said in my initial post, and in this one as well, the change isn't dictated by the introduction of the GOG Galaxy Client. Instead, it's a change we'd been planning and a change that's been asked for many times that we're implementing at this time. The fact that it'll make for faster installations when using the optional client is just an extra bonus :)
I wish GOG would for once be honest and straightforward with us.



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mrkgnao: Thank you for your answer. Could you please point me to the wishlist entry that requested this feature. I would like to see how many people voted for it.
^^ So much this.
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skeletonbow: It is somewhat human nature........
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That's the way I look at it, so I agree with everything you've said there. Overall I'm pleased about the changes being made, but I do understand people's concerns.
Am I reading this right? All of these will become new entries ON THE SHELF? Was there no one in the office who went "I don't think we're doing what we think we're doing"? Eight entries for Heroes Chronicles should have rung a bell.

Go back and revise that whole mess, please.