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PixelBoy: So to go full show-hide-unhide circle for 10 games, you actually need to click (at least) 41 times.
That's maybe easy as in "not difficult to do", but not easy as in "convenient".
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dirtyharry50: Yeah, now that you mention it that is really rough. I hope you never try to play Diablo or anything like it. I don't think your tender finger could take all those murderous clicks it takes to play. I get tired myself just thinking about it. ;-)
The point is too many clicks being unnecessary.
That's something that should be avoided, even in games. There are some genres which tend to be very click-heavy, like strategies with micromanagement, but many of those games also have keyboard shortcuts for some actions.

A good example is Runescape, although it's not a strategy game, obviously. They used to have one click per one action type of design for everything. If you had to cook 20 fish, you had to click 20 times. Bury 100 bones? Click 100 times (plus whatever number of clicking it took to refill inventory). Nowadays, most actions can be performed by just clicking once for the entire inventory. Unnecessary clicking only serves to annoy people.

Of course there are some games where you just can't change that, or the entire point of the game is gone too. One that I played recently is Sushi Bar Express, which is all based on fast reactions.
(A very nice game, but buggy as hell, as it crashes frequently.)


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dirtyharry50: On a more serious note, are you telling me that you are actually going to hide and then unhide and then hide again some 10 or more games at the same time? Because if you are I'm sorry but I cannot understand that behavior for the life of me and as such it doesn't impress me as any valid reason to consider this a problem of any magnitude.

That said, if it bothers you, it bothers you. I just differ in that it doesn't phase me at all but then I am not about to sit down and make a project of fiddling with my shelf even if there was no client in the making. It's the kind of thing I'd be inclined to do either as I went or bits at a time.
Well, the manual sorting is a feature which is designed to be used, and I have been using it for years. Now I have only two options: to use it the hard way, or not use it at all.

It wouldn't be such a major problem if all those unbundled games had appeared in the places where bundled games used to be. But, they didn't. They all are at the very bottom of the shelf, and completely mixed up. There weren't any games from any series that were together as a series.

So for intance, I had some Ultima games, like the last games in the series, on the upper half of the shelf, together, as I had arranged them, and Ultimas 1-6 were all randomly placed all over. (Not counting free Ultima IV, of course, which was with the other arranged Ultimas).

Of course I could find those games by some other means too, but that's not how I used GOG for all these years.
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dirtyharry50: Yeah, now that you mention it that is really rough. I hope you never try to play Diablo or anything like it. I don't think your tender finger could take all those murderous clicks it takes to play. I get tired myself just thinking about it. ;-)
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PixelBoy: The point is too many clicks being unnecessary.
That's something that should be avoided, even in games. There are some genres which tend to be very click-heavy, like strategies with micromanagement, but many of those games also have keyboard shortcuts for some actions.

A good example is Runescape, although it's not a strategy game, obviously. They used to have one click per one action type of design for everything. If you had to cook 20 fish, you had to click 20 times. Bury 100 bones? Click 100 times (plus whatever number of clicking it took to refill inventory). Nowadays, most actions can be performed by just clicking once for the entire inventory. Unnecessary clicking only serves to annoy people.

Of course there are some games where you just can't change that, or the entire point of the game is gone too. One that I played recently is Sushi Bar Express, which is all based on fast reactions.
(A very nice game, but buggy as hell, as it crashes frequently.)

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dirtyharry50: On a more serious note, are you telling me that you are actually going to hide and then unhide and then hide again some 10 or more games at the same time? Because if you are I'm sorry but I cannot understand that behavior for the life of me and as such it doesn't impress me as any valid reason to consider this a problem of any magnitude.

That said, if it bothers you, it bothers you. I just differ in that it doesn't phase me at all but then I am not about to sit down and make a project of fiddling with my shelf even if there was no client in the making. It's the kind of thing I'd be inclined to do either as I went or bits at a time.
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PixelBoy: Well, the manual sorting is a feature which is designed to be used, and I have been using it for years. Now I have only two options: to use it the hard way, or not use it at all.

It wouldn't be such a major problem if all those unbundled games had appeared in the places where bundled games used to be. But, they didn't. They all are at the very bottom of the shelf, and completely mixed up. There weren't any games from any series that were together as a series.

So for intance, I had some Ultima games, like the last games in the series, on the upper half of the shelf, together, as I had arranged them, and Ultimas 1-6 were all randomly placed all over. (Not counting free Ultima IV, of course, which was with the other arranged Ultimas).

Of course I could find those games by some other means too, but that's not how I used GOG for all these years.
Well, I can see how it wouldn't be possible to anticipate your preferred manual placement when unbundling and therefore the best option they had was to dump them at the bottom although I'd agree at least dumping them there in sequence by group would have been nice and also should have been possible.

In any case, I have not used the manual option but if you could place things as you wanted before, I take it you still can or am I wrong about that? If you still can then yeah, having to clean up after this is a pain in the neck if you had a lot of titles broken out by this but on the other hand you should only have to clean up and rearrange one time to fix up the shelf to your liking.

If you have some idea for how to reduce the clicks to hide down to one, I guess you should put a suggestion in to support requesting that. It seems entirely reasonable to me that you'd need to select a game and open its options before exercising any of them and therefore a minimum of two clicks.

In the Steam client you need to right click a title in your library, select an option from the menu that pops up and then in the resulting dialog box click a checkbox to indicate you want something hidden. So it is 3 clicks with those guys. It is 4 clicks to unhide a game in Steam. It never bothered me though as I simply hid stuff as I was done with it and only rarely did I ever view hidden games to regain access to one of them.

I still don't see any of this as a big deal personally. It's a first world problem if there ever was one. Unless I am misunderstanding something here (maybe I am too) it should not be a terrible burden to fix up one's arrangement one time and continue on with life.
Post edited May 05, 2015 by dirtyharry50
I'm now missing Fallout one.
When is this unbundling mess going to be over?

=(
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Garrett24601: I'm now missing Fallout one.
When is this unbundling mess going to be over?

=(
The disappearance of the first Fallout has nothing to do with the unbundling; it has been constantly appearing and disappearing ever since February.
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Grargar: The disappearance of the first Fallout has nothing to do with the unbundling; it has been constantly appearing and disappearing ever since February.
Thanks.
It was the first time it has happened to me.
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Garrett24601: Thanks.
It was the first time it has happened to me.
It will come back. It's like Schrödinger's cat; it's there and it isn't.
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Grargar: It will come back. It's like Schrödinger's cat; it's there and it isn't.
Yeah,
I have a new blank space. At least the other blank space will not be lonely now.

Edit:
Fallout is still available in the Galaxy client, and can still be downloaded.
I wonder if this bug is related. I did not have Fallout vanish until I tried Galaxy.
Post edited May 05, 2015 by Garrett24601
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Garrett24601: I have a new blank space. At least the other blank space will not be lonely now.
A side effect of the Fallout bug. It will disappear when Fallout comes back.
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Grargar: The disappearance of the first Fallout has nothing to do with the unbundling; it has been constantly appearing and disappearing ever since February.
I am not entirely convinced of this. Most of the files of the first wave of unbundling bear the dates of 25-26 February. Fallout began to disappear on 25 February. Coincidence?
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dirtyharry50: In any case, I have not used the manual option but if you could place things as you wanted before, I take it you still can or am I wrong about that? If you still can then yeah, having to clean up after this is a pain in the neck if you had a lot of titles broken out by this but on the other hand you should only have to clean up and rearrange one time to fix up the shelf to your liking.
Yeah, it can still be rearranged by using the hide trick.
But unless they fix it, it's a problem that only keeps getting worse, because every new game purchase gives more and more games that need to be hidden. And who knows what happens when some titles, like Dreamfall Chapters, get completed (I don't even want to think what happens if they unbundle all Telltale games...).

As for "one time fix", this is actually the second time that I need to rearrange my already well sorted shelf.
The first time was when some major update was introduced some years ago (don't remember what exactly anymore).


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dirtyharry50: If you have some idea for how to reduce the clicks to hide down to one, I guess you should put a suggestion in to support requesting that. It seems entirely reasonable to me that you'd need to select a game and open its options before exercising any of them and therefore a minimum of two clicks.
A small X that appears somewhere when doing a mouseover on the game would be enough?
That could also open a popup:
"This action will hide the game from your collection.
Hidden games can be made visible again using the unhide option at the bottom of the page.
Do you really want to hide this game?
YES NO
x Don't show this confirmation again."



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dirtyharry50: I still don't see any of this as a big deal personally. It's a first world problem if there ever was one. Unless I am misunderstanding something here (maybe I am too) it should not be a terrible burden to fix up one's arrangement one time and continue on with life.
Well anything related to computer games is not important in the big picture.
But games and collecting games being something that we all (presumably) care about, makes it important for us. It makes no difference for anyone else, not even those who actually are gamers, but use Steam or something else.
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mrkgnao: I am not entirely convinced of this. Most of the files of the first wave of unbundling bear the dates of 25-26 February. Fallout began to disappear on 25 February. Coincidence?
They did? The announcement of the unbundling was on 9 March and the first unbundled game (Alien Breed+Tower Assault) occurred on 10 March.
Edit: Or do you mean that the files show as having been modified on 25-26 February?
Post edited May 05, 2015 by Grargar
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Garrett24601: Edit:
Fallout is still available in the Galaxy client, and can still be downloaded.
I wonder if this bug is related. I did not have Fallout vanish until I tried Galaxy.
I don't believe so. People who do not participate in the Galaxy alpha also have the game disappear.
I still have my Tomb Raider 1-2-3 unbundled, is it normal?
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lefantome89: I still have my Tomb Raider 1-2-3 unbundled, is it normal?
Do an account refresh:
https://www.gog.com/account/refresh
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mrkgnao: I am not entirely convinced of this. Most of the files of the first wave of unbundling bear the dates of 25-26 February. Fallout began to disappear on 25 February. Coincidence?
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Grargar: They did? The announcement of the unbundling was on 9 March and the first unbundled game (Alien Breed+Tower Assault) occurred on 10 March.
Edit: Or do you mean that the files show as having been modified on 25-26 February?
See for yourself. Here is the list of all the unbundled games so far:
[url=http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=460&scp=gdspur&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbahD&ord=&flt=Diu~1~&opt=&myf=TueMay51353452015__SrPRJntr3Ei4]http://www.an-ovel.com/cgi-bin/magog.cgi?ver=460&scp=gdspur&dsp=ipgfsorlcmbahD&ord=&flt=Diu~1~&opt=&myf=TueMay51353452015__SrPRJntr3Ei4[/url]

See how many have installers dated 25-26 February (including Alien Breed).