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Hello *,

some time ago I wanted to buy the DLC for "Big Pharma" on GOG. But I was not allowed because I don't own the main game on GOG. I own that on the humble store.

I asked the support why it does matter where I bought the game. The answer was, that the game was slightly changed for GOG, so the DLC works only with the main game from GOG. That is some kind of DRM, because it assures that I cannot buy the game somewhere else.

Something else I noted: if you want to buy e.g. "The Witcher" on the humble store you only get a GOG-Key. For those who don't know: CD Projekt (the creators of "The Witcher") is the owner of GOG. To be correct this is no DRM, but it is not far away. This way GOG has control of all digital copies, if CD Projekt or GOG decides to shut down the game they can erase all copies from our libraries. The ones who don't have a copy downloaded will lose the game they paid for. This is not cool.

Here are some questions I want to ask:
1. I always understood GOG as a "defender" of DRM-Free Games, and even the PR-Guy of CD Projekt stated at the launch of "The Witcher 3" in an interview that DRM sucks, why does that change? Why is GOG at least getting more centralized?

2. GOG is pushing "GOG Galaxy" - where does that lead to? Will "GOG Galaxy" become a second steam? Is GOG rethinking it's DRM-Free policy?

3. Could you, GOG, please stop this? Could you please come back to an decentralized store? GOG is my favorite store (that's why it makes me so sad), but it is not the only one. So please let me buy the Big Pharma DLC, and please allow people to own games made by CD Projekt on humble store and other stores.

Thank you very much for reading until here. Feel free to comment or correct me.

Kind regards,
grobbo
Not a minute late.
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Some of you guys are disturbingly oversensitive.
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I don't think that's DRM by any stretch of the imagination.
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grobbo: 1. I always understood GOG as a "defender" of DRM-Free Games, and even the PR-Guy of CD Projekt stated at the launch of "The Witcher 3" in an interview that DRM sucks, why does that change? Why is GOG at least getting more centralized?
Because...
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grobbo: 2. GOG is pushing "GOG Galaxy" - where does that lead to? Will "GOG Galaxy" become a second steam? Is GOG rethinking it's DRM-Free policy?
Yes and yes.
"Something else I noted: if you want to buy e.g. "The Witcher" on the humble store you only get a GOG-Key. For those who don't know: CD Projekt (the creators of "The Witcher") is the owner of GOG. To be correct this is no DRM, but it is not far away. This way GOG has control of all digital copies, if CD Projekt or GOG decides to shut down the game they can erase all copies from our libraries. The ones who don't have a copy downloaded will lose the game they paid for. This is not cool. "

Where you buy the key is up to you of course, however once you have redeemed the key on the GOG store, then you can download the installer files and back these up totally offline to be used with as you want - this is Exactly what DRM free stands for, you get the files they are yours to keep end of, no need for anything further. If you choose not to store them yourself and just keep them on a storefront then that is your own look out and that goes for any store's digital product. GOG have no control over you once you have downloaded the files.

With regards to Big Pharma, I don't know the game so can't really comment. Each store puts their own clientware crap in their version so it works with the client - something I am totally against and can agree with you there. If this is indeed the case on that game, then I am afraid your stuck with that, its not however DRM again, as you can still buy the product at the same store you purchased the original game (their policy on DRM and such like is theirs however, and as you already went with them you should have been happy with it). You can't buy DLC on GOG without owning the base game here (in most cases anyways).

As for you points:
1. I always understood GOG as a "defender" of DRM-Free Games, and even the PR-Guy of CD Projekt stated at the launch of "The Witcher 3" in an interview that DRM sucks, why does that change? Why is GOG at least getting more centralized?
--- Well, that used to be their big selling point, look at us standing up to the industry, removing DRM from games and selling as they were meant. Its still there, but deteriorating somewhere. Currently it has not "changed" in a hard fashion, i.e. 99.9% of the games here you download the files and that is that (Gwent and Golins Inc excluded fromthis).

2. GOG is pushing "GOG Galaxy" - where does that lead to? Will "GOG Galaxy" become a second steam? Is GOG rethinking it's DRM-Free policy?
--- Yes, there are quite a few of us that are irate about this. Yes, its looking more and more like the push is towards a more steam like future. There is no hard information on that at the moment, check out some of the threads on here for more information e.g. Gwent one, and Offline installers, etc.

3. Could you, GOG, please stop this? Could you please come back to an decentralized store? GOG is my favorite store (that's why it makes me so sad), but it is not the only one. So please let me buy the Big Pharma DLC, and please allow people to own games made by CD Projekt on humble store and other stores.
--- CDPR didn't make Big Pharma, not sure where you got that information? As for stuff here working with stuff from other stores, I wouldn't count on it. Humble is nothing more than a Steam suckup, sure it has a few DRM free games, but most is Steam Keys. There is never going to be some Shangrila, where all the companies happily work in tandem for the benefit of the masses.
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Out of all the things to accuse GOG of DRM (and there are quite a few), you focus on these?
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Grargar: Out of all the things to accuse GOG of DRM (and there are quite a few), you focus on these?
Exactly my thought.
I wanted to point out how happy I am about how civil some of the gripes have been lately. Yes we still have instances like the butthead yesterday who went ballistic about GOG ripping everyone off, but I sense a trend in this, the more rational and constructive approach, and I think it makes the forum as a whole so much more pleasant.

I don't particularly agree with the OP, but +1 for how he/she expresses it.
Post edited May 26, 2017 by tinyE
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grobbo: .
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TL/DR: What nightcraw1er.488 said.
Post edited May 26, 2017 by anothername
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grobbo: The answer was, that the game was slightly changed for GOG, so the DLC works only with the main game from GOG. That is some kind of DRM, because it assures that I cannot buy the game somewhere else.
No, it just mean that the exe for games might not be compatible depending of where you purchase them. If you but a game on PS4 and then try to buy one of it's DLC on PC are you going to consider it a DRM that the two are not compatible ?
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grobbo: To be correct this is no DRM, but it is not far away.
That a shop decide to only sell key so that they can spare bandwith and storage space ? If anything you should complain to Humble Bundle directly about it.
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grobbo: This way GOG has control of all digital copies, if CD Projekt or GOG decides to shut down the game they can erase all copies from our libraries. The ones who don't have a copy downloaded will lose the game they paid for. This is not cool.
DRM-free guarantee that if a shop were you purchase a game from close you won't be locked down by DRM... it doesn't mean that it will download the games for you nor that those games will be available for you to download eternally.

If a DRM-free show closes and you haven't download all your games from it, there is only one person responsible, only one person to blame : yourself.
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grobbo: 2. GOG is pushing "GOG Galaxy" - where does that lead to? Will "GOG Galaxy" become a second steam? Is GOG rethinking it's DRM-Free policy?
Of course they are pushing Galaxy, it would be stupid not too, before Galaxy how many times peoples complains how "inconvininent" DRM-free gaming, how complicated it was to manually install patches, how it was an hassle for developpers to provide patches compared to Steam streamlined patching process, and added to that those complaining about lack of all the Steam-like features.

Galaxy was created and is pushed forward as an answer to that.

But it's still optional and single player parts of games are still DRM-free.
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grobbo: 3. Could you, GOG, please stop this? Could you please come back to an decentralized store?
What does that mean, what is a "decentralized store" ?
Post edited May 26, 2017 by Gersen
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tinyE: I wanted to point out how happy I am about how civil some of the gripes have been lately. Yes we still have instances like the butthead yesterday who went ballistic about GOG ripping everyone off, but I sense a trend in this, the more rational and constructive approach, and I think it makes the forum as a whole so much more pleasant.

I don't particulate agree with the OP, but +1 for how he/she expresses it.
Totally agree!

Rolled my eyes at the title, was pleasantly surprised by the complete lack of RAGE!!1 :)
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Not supporting Windows 95 is a form of DRM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Burn down GOG!
Just pointing out that GOG DLC/Expansions have NEVER worked with anything but base games purchased from GOG so this is nothing new and nothing about that has changed. Same goes for GOG patches. You've never been able to install them anything else but GOG games. This is how it's always been and probably always will be.
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grobbo: Hello *,

some time ago I wanted to buy the DLC for "Big Pharma" on GOG. But I was not allowed because I don't own the main game on GOG. I own that on the humble store.

I asked the support why it does matter where I bought the game. The answer was, that the game was slightly changed for GOG, so the DLC works only with the main game from GOG. That is some kind of DRM, because it assures that I cannot buy the game somewhere else.
I don't think I'd consider this in any way DRM. Sure, it's basically tied to the GOG version of the base game, but you need no connection or permission whatsoever to play the game itself once you have the installer files and the DLCs for it. GOG's versions are slightly different than others for the most part precisely because they're DRM-free.
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grobbo: Something else I noted: if you want to buy e.g. "The Witcher" on the humble store you only get a GOG-Key. For those who don't know: CD Projekt (the creators of "The Witcher") is the owner of GOG. To be correct this is no DRM, but it is not far away.
I disagree. This isn't even in the same solar system as DRM. Even if you got the game files from a different store, they'd still be the same files as GOG hosts on their servers. As noted, this just saves the storefront from having to host the files and burn the bandwidth, and it may not even be GOG's decision to do this. It may be the store itself.
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grobbo: This way GOG has control of all digital copies, if CD Projekt or GOG decides to shut down the game they can erase all copies from our libraries

The ones who don't have a copy downloaded will lose the game they paid for. This is not cool.
But this is the same with every digital service. If you don't DL your game installers and back them up, you run the risk of losing them. At least with GOG's installers, if you have them backed up you can play your games no matter what happens to/with GOG.