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Testiclides: I still love GOG tho! I wouldnt have 200+ games here otherwise :P
Gog like other places is providing a service. It is being up to each person to choose to make use of it or not.
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adikad13000: So this troll thread...
More peoples need to realize that trolling is not everything that annoys them.
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sadlyrematch: (and if you actually read and _abide_ by a EULA you're a fucking loser and your opinion should be discarded anyway)
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Post edited 4 days ago by FarkyTheDog
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Devyatovskiy: I don't care which platform to use, but I wish all of these storefronts had a dedicated section to games that're soon to be delisted. Something like a month of more in advance that these games are going to be gone from digital storefront, so you better get them now.

Is that too hard or illegal to implement. All these companies know the games that're going to be pulled well in advance since it's usually a matter of legality and it usually takes forever and a half on the backend.
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eric5h5: It is too hard, and they don't necessarily know in advance. It's not up to the storefronts. If you bothered to pay any attention to GOG's delisting notices, you'd see that a lot of the time they say stuff like "game X will be removed in 3 days, sorry for the short notice but we were just informed". GOG is mostly indie games, and those are typically a few people, sometimes just one, and are prone to doing things on the spur of the moment since there's no bureaucracy to navigate.
Oh screw off you self-righteous prick. I and everyone else is already juggling like a hundred different storefronts each delisting stuff at a moment's notice. Yeah, sometimes that stuff slips through the cracks. And no, GOG is not mostly indie. That's CDPR and they rival Steam. If you're talking only by quantity, then Steam is also "indie" in that regard.

Also, yeah, they do know well in advance. Their legal informs them of it, or at least it should in a functional company. Licensing litigation happens over weeks if not months. This isn't a YT copyright strike, but business between corporate licensing lawyers. ANY games which have an upcoming date of expiry should be listed out in their own sections. Like hey, these games are due to expire on their license at this time and may not be renewed or will be pulled altogether. Make a section for them before they're gone. Too frequently games get pulled without anyone knowing and suddenly if you didn't visit a storefront for a week, you'll not know either until its fully gone.

Advocating for the consumer here, yet pricks like you making life tougher than it needs to be with BS excuses and blame shifting for no reason.
What "experiments" do they run?

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Testiclides: The only real option you have right now is the following:
A walled garden closed platform console that locks online play and save backups to a rental service like Xbox Live Gold, Playstation Plus, and Nintendo Switch Online and where only one corporation controls all the software in the system is not a "real option" and worse than Steam in some cases.

Also, i have some physical discs where most of the content is unplayable after the servers shutdown since it was tied to a online company server and has no LAN support like my PS3 physical disc of Battlefield 3 or my Wii U physical disc of Splatoon, while all of the digital games with LAN, Direct IP, or self hosted dedicated servers in this list will have the online multiplayer working forever out of the box even after the official company servers shutdown, so these digital games are truly 100% DRM-free and owned while my physical discs with online only content after the servers shutdown are "revoked" and "rented"

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Testiclides: There is, but it's always inevitably bypassed, so I basically dont count it lol. PS5 discs can already be copied with retail, off the shelf disc drives, so there's that. And jailbreaking also helps with all that too, as well as granting the ability to no longer needing to have the disc inside the drive to play. Pretty good stuff
Nintendo has been saying it's illegal to copy your games since the SNES days, and the manuals for all the aging Wii U physical discs i own says it has "technical protection measures" (DRM) and it's illegal to copy a Nintendo game.

Since Nintendo likes to sue anyone that touches their property, you're more likely to get Nintendo send their lawyers after you for backing up a physical Nintendo game than Valve send their lawyers after you for backing up a digital Steam game.

If you don't count it as DRM because it's "inevitably bypassed" why not buy on Steam and use a "Rube Goldberg Machine" to make it "DRM-free" then which is easier than modding a console? Also, the Xbox One/Series consoles still cannot be "modded" after 11 years today.

GOG is the only platform i know of where it's 100% legal to backup your games since section 17.3 of their User Agreement says you can play your backed up DRM-free GOG games after GOG shuts down permanently. Backup all your receipts and offline installers and you're all good.
If you think about being married is like having DRM on yourself. Just it's you're wife taking control and managing access to you. Life is so unfair
Post edited 4 days ago by Syphon72
"(and if you actually read and _abide_ by a EULA you're a fucking loser and your opinion should be discarded anyway)"

Nintendo isn't going to know you broke their protection on their cartridges, and sue you, unless you blatantly broadcast it on YouTube or some shit lmfaoooooo
Post edited 4 days ago by sadlyrematch
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blotunga: It's DRM-Lite then. Still better than Steamworks + Denuvo + online login + 3rd Party launcher.
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Lifthrasil: Sure. It's a lesser evil. But it's still worse than the 100% DRM-free promise that was the reason for me to support GOG.

It would be less bad, if they had openly communicated 'we become DRM-agnostic now, but we'll mark clearly which game has what kinds of DRM'. But they continue to pretend to be 100% DRM-free. Which is a lie.
This is what I don't understand. Why is okay for steam to have DRM? just because we have Goldberg? What if one day steam decides to change up their DRM and make it harder to bypass. It's just gambling to me.
Post edited 4 days ago by Syphon72
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ClassicGamer592: Also, i have some physical discs where most of the content is unplayable after the servers shutdown since it was tied to a online company server and has no LAN support like my PS3 physical disc of Battlefield 3 or my Wii U physical disc of Splatoon
We've talked about this before. Cherry picking online oriented games that no longer work off disc because they are online oriented, and not because it's physical media's fault, in order to overall say "physical media is therefore inferior" is frankly dishonest at this point.

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ClassicGamer592: Nintendo has been saying it's illegal to copy your games since the SNES days, and the manuals for all the aging Wii U physical discs i own says it has "technical protection measures" (DRM) and it's illegal to copy a Nintendo game.
Hardly relevant. Please refer to what was said earlier in this thread:

"if you actually read and _abide_ by a EULA you're a fucking loser and your opinion should be discarded anyway)"

Nintendo will continue to cry about this, so people have just gotten used to it.

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ClassicGamer592: If you don't count it as DRM because it's "inevitably bypassed" why not buy on Steam and use a "Rube Goldberg Machine" to make it "DRM-free" then which is easier than modding a console?
I didn't say I don't count it as DRM, because it undeniably is DRM. What I meant is that it's not a problem for me because the workarounds are easy.

I didn't claim not to use Steam either. I do, and if a game I want isn't on GOG or doesn't have a physical copy, I have no other choice. But if either option exists, I'll always pick it before Steam, because I'd rather put my money into a product or service that gives me better rights.

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ClassicGamer592: Also, the Xbox One/Series consoles still cannot be "modded" after 11 years today.
Surprisingly, that's not the case anymore. The Xbox ONE was jailbroken recently, which also allowed for the birth of Xbox ONE emulators..
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sadlyrematch: Nintendo isn't going to know you broke their protection on their cartridges, and sue you, unless you blatantly broadcast it on YouTube or some shit lmfaoooooo
Large bits of EULA are legally unenforcable in many places also.
If you've ever bought games on Steam, in my humble opinion, you should never delete the account itself.
At least, not until you learn how to turn you games from there DRM-Free.

Many of DRM-Free lovers did that when they learned to love offline gaming and to actually backup their games - me included.
To be fair, there are many DRM-Free games there and some only use simple drm that can be handled with easily for offline play.

You're only really on a loss if most of your bought games were from big companies (unfortunately, specially the big Japanese ones, as they love their multilayered/multistep connection drms), those are a real pain to remove with common community tools.

Either way, what I do is:
- Research a lot before spending any money (don't have that much spare money to buy games anyway, so..);
- If the game is there but not here and is confirmed or have a chance of being DRM-Free, buy it there;
- Turn the game DRM-Free and back it up for offline personal use.

I've been noticing that some older games are receiving updates from Steam or Devs and are not working offline anymore, or, I mean, community tools or workarounds are not working as before.
Gladly the ones I own there that I noticed this I already have offline safeguarded.
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Devyatovskiy: Also, yeah, they do know well in advance
Just now, we’ve received a request that we have to delist all Delta Force titles that are available in our store, due to legal reasons that are beyond our control.
https://www.gog.com/forum/general/delisting_all_delta_force_titles_available_in_our_store/post1

Either legal is holding out on the rest of the platform, or more likely: delisting request periods are arbitrary and can be dropped on the platform by the publisher at the very last minute.
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Devyatovskiy: Oh screw off you self-righteous prick.
Why should I? Sorry you can't handle facts, but that doesn't stop them from being real.
And no, GOG is not mostly indie
It objectively is. Count up the indie games compared to the AAA games, which is the highest number? Crying like a little baby does not change reality. Why in the world would you think I was talking about GOG the company? What I wrote was "GOG is mostly indie games," so you have to be actively trying to misunderstand just so you can throw a fit.
Also, yeah, they do know well in advance. Their legal informs them of it
They don't even have "legal" in many cases. Or anything like "corporate." You have absolutely no clue at all, and are just making stuff up. All I hear is "wah wah wah." Don't you get tired of this nonsense? Take responsibility for yourself for once, and try to learn how things actually work, and stop screeching like a weirdo.
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Testiclides: We've talked about this before. Cherry picking online oriented games that no longer work off disc because they are online oriented, and not because it's physical media's fault, in order to overall say "physical media is therefore inferior" is frankly dishonest at this point.
Right then we should ignore this "dishonest" list of "DRM on a DRM-free store" and bring back always online Hitman 2016 GOTY here. Also most "buy physical" gamers are still happy buying online only games like COD Black Ops 6 and Suicide Squad getting the top number 1 spot in physical game sales.

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Testiclides: Hardly relevant. Please refer to what was said earlier in this thread:

"if you actually read and _abide_ by a EULA you're a fucking loser and your opinion should be discarded anyway)"

Nintendo will continue to cry about this, so people have just gotten used to it.
There's DMCA 1201 that forbids all DRM bypasses so it's not legal to remove any form of DRM... Also EULAs are actually enforceable in the USA and ownership of your game is all deferred to the EULA...

And the vast majority of game EULAs don't give you ownership, not even old completely DRM-free PC physical discs as they still came with EULAs saying "Limited Use License" So in USA the only "real option" to own your game legally is to go full FOSS, only play on a Linux PC running only FOSS software, and only play open source Linux games like "Tux Racer" as they are the only ones i know of that come with EULAs saying "you own your game"

Since the OP reason for deleting his Steam account is because of EULA stuff, going the FOSS way is the best "real option" if he is fine only playing the few open source games available :)
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Post edited 4 days ago by ClassicGamer592
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Lifthrasil: Sure. It's a lesser evil. But it's still worse than the 100% DRM-free promise that was the reason for me to support GOG.

It would be less bad, if they had openly communicated 'we become DRM-agnostic now, but we'll mark clearly which game has what kinds of DRM'. But they continue to pretend to be 100% DRM-free. Which is a lie.
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Syphon72: This is what I don't understand. Why is okay for steam to have DRM? just because we have Goldberg? What if one day steam decides to change up their DRM and make it harder to bypass. It's just gambling to me.
It's not OK for Steam to have DRM. That's why I avoid Steam.
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XeonicDevil: GoG is the only one making any real sense right now.
i look at the user agreement ect, you would be a fool not to support gog.
You've been with GOG since 2018,
you only have 31 games in your profile so far (how many of them were free is not visible),
and you're only now, in 2025, becoming skeptical about a monopolist and how it handles private data?

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I always think it's great when the GOG community grows, especially with interesting posts, respectful discussions and helpful tips on support / technology of games. However, this post has a touch of "troll on the bridge". Maybe I'm wrong, in which case please forgive me, but why delete the Steam account? Just leave it alone and keep the option "back".
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ClassicGamer592: Right then we should ignore this "dishonest" list of "DRM on a DRM-free store" and bring back always online Hitman 2016 GOTY here.
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