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Posted March 02, 2016
Microsoft has a lot to prove? What a joke, since it's becoming more and more apparent that they are completely clueless as to what PC gaming is. This has just hit in: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2016/03/01/quantum-break-live-action-scenes-streamed.aspx

The cutscenes in Quantum Break are streamed. There are two problems with this:
- People with bad internet are going to have a bad time. But wait, apparently the videos are in 4K, so scratch that: people with less than top dollar internet are going to have a bad time.
- What happens when the game has been out for a while and it's not getting any more sales. You think Microsoft will let the servers run for all eternity, for old players? Fuck that: once it's been a few years, players will receive a "cannot connect to servers" message and the SINGLE PLAYER GAME can no longer be played. At all.

Nobody will ever say anything bad about Uplay again once they get to witness the abomination that is Microsoft and their Windows Store.
Posted March 02, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: Windows 10 is already the most spyhappy OS they made, and I don't trust them to do anything good.
Proof please. I'm tired of hearing all of that non-sense. Gimme proof it sends personal data about you to Microsoft servers with the intentions of reading your personal data, and not because it just so happened to be in the crash log of the app you're using.

I never complained, and I never cared. MS themselves isolated PC and I'm not gonna be bribed out of the the years of development they didn't do on better APIs with getting some Xbone exclusives free for windows.
It's all because of the name. You don't trust Microsoft, so you attack their every attempt at anything. While they may have their questionable choices here and there, there was always the better option of seeing what they'll do before talking about it.

Now to read the above article about how the videos in QB are streamed...if it's true, the horrors [s]MS[/s] Remedy unleashed!
Post edited March 02, 2016 by PookaMustard
Posted March 02, 2016
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Gnostic: I am not knowledgeable enough in the 13 year old OS to know the statement is true or not.
That was a jab at XP. Feel free to ignore it.

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Gnostic: But I thought the definition of software lock down means you cannot tamper with the software easily hence mods, cheat, rewriting some game files, game saves, access item database cannot happen easily.
I thought it meant you could only install from approved locations, nothing about modifying them after installation. Not that knowledgeable about lock down though, no idea.

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Gnostic: I am not sure what the age of the OS has to do with lock down.
Nothing. If the strength of the PC is that software (including OS) is evolving instead of staying static, yet PC users cling to a more than decade old OS, what is the strength they are using?
Posted March 02, 2016
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DProject: Microsoft has a lot to prove? What a joke, since it's becoming more and more apparent that they are completely clueless as to what PC gaming is. This has just hit in: http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2016/03/01/quantum-break-live-action-scenes-streamed.aspx

Nobody will ever say anything bad about Uplay again once they get to witness the abomination that is Microsoft and their Windows Store.
I think you are mixing up Remedy Entertainment with Microsoft. Both are separate entities, and Remedy Entertainment is the one behind this questionable decision, not Microsoft. So blaming what would be Remedy Entertainment's clinging to the cliche of gamers wanting top end graphics to the point of forcing streamed cutscenes on singleplayer games, on Microsoft and the Windows Store, that doesn't exactly sound right.

But hey, look what have we gotten ourselves into, with all those lovely people yelling their preferences for digital downloads and how speedy they are in obtaining games; leaving only those with the top dollar internet in the loop. Quantum Break will be the game for the select few; and I'm not bothered by that.

EDIT: Can't write well today, damn.
Post edited March 02, 2016 by PookaMustard
Posted March 02, 2016
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Elmofongo: Why should there be a merging of Xbox and PC at all?
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JMich: Buy once, play on any platform? So those that had bought Rise of the Tomb Raider on XBox One when it came out would also have access to the PC version, with whatever improvements that brings.
Or those that buy a game for PC can also play it on their XBox later on.
somehow, this makes me think that this move is good for GOG.
"So you buy a DRM version of our game, in W10, you also get it for XBOX. But how are we gonna make more money guys"

"well we might have to resort to the DRM-FREE PC crowd"
Posted March 02, 2016
Microsoft seeks to turn Xbox gamers into Windows 10 PC gamers.
That is the most rational explanation for this move.
Post edited March 02, 2016 by Ricky_Bobby
Posted March 02, 2016
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PookaMustard: Proof please. I'm tired of hearing all of that non-sense. Gimme proof it sends personal data about you to Microsoft servers with the intentions of reading your personal data, and not because it just so happened to be in the crash log of the app you're using.

It's all because of the name. You don't trust Microsoft, so you attack their every attempt at anything. While they may have their questionable choices here and there, there was always the better option of seeing what they'll do before talking about it.
I was basing it off their own admission. Didn't they say it collected data? Articles like this one : http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/#363556042f4a I don't know if they withdrew the statement, but that is pretty bad compared to 'ole XP.

I think it has basis. And I'm skeptical because, again, nothing from that GDDR3 VRAM sub $400 contraption is gonna add anything to PC. Do you really think you're gonna have that thing near your gaming PC to use the kinect or stream games from it to your PC or something? There's only an extent to which they can go to in terms of ''merging'' while still keeping the original library updated. Because to me, it seems major software level changes for the Xbone aren't on the cards this long after launch, and current features are gimmicks.

And because of all that, I see it more as way to promote Xbox than something for the PC. Like some tick in a box for fanboys to rage about in console wars.
Post edited March 02, 2016 by Shadowstalker16
Posted March 02, 2016
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MaximumBunny: Microsoft: IGN has a lot to prove with PC Gaming.

"As IGN continues to post BS, the failure of gaming journalism continues to haunt us all."
How is this article BS when they interviewed a Microsoft spokesperson?

And besides I thought the GamerGaters were against Kotaku, Polygon, Gamatsura, and Buzzfeed.

What did IGN do that earned GamerGaters wrath?
Post edited March 02, 2016 by Elmofongo
Posted March 02, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: I don't know if they withdrew the statement, but that is pretty bad compared to 'ole XP.
Ugh...can't even.
I think it has basis. And I'm skeptical because, again, nothing from that GDDR3 VRAM sub $400 contraption is gonna add anything to PC. Do you really think you're gonna have that thing near your gaming PC to use the kinect or stream games from it to your PC or something? There's only an extent to which they can go to in terms of ''merging'' while still keeping the original library updated. Because to me, it seems major software level changes for the Xbone aren't on the cards this long after launch, and current features are gimmicks.
Yes I think I might do it if I had the chance to get my hands on an Xbox. This "GDDR3 VRAM sub $400 contraption" has the things the PC platform would always wish to get back. What do you have against the Xbox besides the performance, which isn't even a legit concern? People should stop putting the performance as some standard and instead opt in for using that hardware for gameplay level changes, and no, not FPS or resolution stuff; but stuff like more interactive experiences, be it in Kinect form or in a controller form or whatever. But that aside.

Sorry, this whole complaint isn't going to fly with me. It still seems basis-less; or to be more correct, the only basis being that the name "Microsoft" is involved. Any legit concerns that I can take for real, I'd like to listen to them.
Posted March 02, 2016
A pretty good article that makes a fair point about Microsoft's gaming difficulties. They preach a system of 'inclusion', but all of their products are seemingly designed towards a principle of 'exclusion'

I'm sure no gamer, PC or Console, would disagree that a universal interface system that allows you to download and play your games, old and new, while simultaneously allowing you to continue to update your hardware as you choose without having any compatibility or access issues. It's the next great Holy Grail of Gaming: a completely fluid, unobtrusive, universal interface specifically designed for gaming that is 100% backwards compatible and open to user modification for hardware and software.

The problem is that Microsoft (like most other big game publishers/developers) are seemingly married to this idea of exclusive use. Steam, Uplay, Origin, GFWL and more are all examples of this type of mindset. You can have your own opinions on whether these systems are good or bad, that's not the issue of the article. The issue is that Phil Spencer says "We want all gamers to play our games" then immediately makes games like Gears of War Ultimate Edition ONLY available for gamers who have their service. You can't say you want a world where every gamer has access to your games only to turn around and only offer access to your games through a singular interface not all gamers have!

I hate to break it to you Microsoft, but the closest gaming has ever come to your idea of a universal interface for all games is DRM-Free games and emulation systems (like DOS Box). In other words, the stuff that GoG is trying to do that you actively fight against. You want PC Gamers to respect you again? Then you either have to actually show you are committed to this grand idea or universal gaming you keep preaching, or just shut your mouths and make a decent DD service for once. The Windows 10 Store is clunky and intrusive (forced ads, I'm looking at you) and Gears of War: UE is apparently a buggy, shoddy mess of a port. You're not going to win any PC Gamers back with your fancy ideology when you're delivering on it with products like that.
Posted March 02, 2016
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zer00o: in the end, you are allowed to like what you like just like everyone else, i doubt you could present an argument to convince others though
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PookaMustard: I'd much rather be able to play used games, ditch some of my games, give some to a friend without any shenanigans such as a poor family sharing system, and overall playing without an account OVER backwards compatibility and what not. Which is why I prefer consoles over Steam.
that's a good point i often neglect. im not a social gamer.
i do find it annoying that digital games cant be shared as easily.
at the same time i have a spell-force game somewhere that i stopped playing because it demanded i enter the 25 character key every time i launched the game.
how would you feel about some sort of rental system if the games where cheaper?

// you can also buy cd's for pc and share them or do whatever you want with them, not a new feature
Post edited March 02, 2016 by zer00o
Posted March 02, 2016
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Elmofongo: snip
Has nothing to do with GG. Just the fact that Gamespot and IGN are both console oriented and think they have a say on what constitutes PC gaming or not. That's what happens when you put a badge on idiots and give them front row seats at all of your events. They become entitled pricks that think they're the heralds of all that is gaming.

'Gaming journalism' itself is more akin to tv wrestling than anything. Reading their articles just makes me facepalm at how low their requirements are to become employees. Nothing more than "Be a WordPress blogger, like games, have an iPhone".
Posted March 02, 2016
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zer00o: that's a good point i often neglect. im not a social gamer.
i do find it annoying that digital games cant be shared as easily.
at the same time i have a spell-force game somewhere that i stopped playing because it demanded i enter the 25 character key every time i launched the game.
how would you feel about some sort of rental system if the games where cheaper?

// you can also buy cd's for pc and share them or do whatever you want with them, not a new feature
Basically I dunno. I'm on the fence regarding 'social gaming'. If you're going to force it on me, sorry on that. If the game bases itself around social gaming and is done right in a way, okay (Need for Speed Most Wanted 2013). If you're going to make it optional, all the great.

That said, yeah, CD/DVD sharing existed, but I'm not really keen on the idea even as a fan of disc media because of how every single company seems to be killing these for the pathetic digital downloads.

About the rental system, as long as it makes clear that it's a rental system, okay. But it's a form of DRM anyways, and I'd rather have my games in my control rather than in a third party's control.
Posted March 03, 2016
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Gnostic: I am not knowledgeable enough in the 13 year old OS to know the statement is true or not.
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JMich: That was a jab at XP. Feel free to ignore it.

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Gnostic: But I thought the definition of software lock down means you cannot tamper with the software easily hence mods, cheat, rewriting some game files, game saves, access item database cannot happen easily.
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JMich: I thought it meant you could only install from approved locations, nothing about modifying them after installation. Not that knowledgeable about lock down though, no idea.

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Gnostic: I am not sure what the age of the OS has to do with lock down.
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JMich: Nothing. If the strength of the PC is that software (including OS) is evolving instead of staying static, yet PC users cling to a more than decade old OS, what is the strength they are using?
For me the strength of PC is the user can tamper the software to the direction they wants. If some entity want to evolve the software to a direction that is disadvantageous to the user, they can change the software to the direction they want.

Newer OS does not mean it will evolve to a better OS, to some people, it is a devolution / regression. I mean if the newer OS give more disadvantages then the benefits to some people, you are going to have people clinging to the older OS that give them more benefits.

There will also be a group of people who don't mind not having control of their PC nor privacy, so Microsoft can sell window 10 to these people.

And there are these X Box users, I think it will be easy to push window 10 on X Box and it may be more beneficial to X Box users because X Box user may be able to do more things then just gaming on X Box.

The PC users may suffer though. At least for me console like restriction disadvantage outweigh the few X Box exclusive games when there is a sea of great games to play.
Post edited March 03, 2016 by Gnostic
Posted March 03, 2016
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Shadowstalker16: I was basing it off their own admission. Didn't they say it collected data?
Data =/= Personal Data. GOG also collects data from the users, but no personal data.

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Shadowstalker16: Articles like this one : http://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2015/11/02/microsoft-confirms-unstoppable-windows-10-tracking/#363556042f4a
Gordon Kelly has posted so much FUD about Windows 10, he has stopped being funny a year ago. Not only has he stopped being funny, he has started posting such BS, other journalists are making fun of him. He doesn't even retract or correct articles of his which have been proven completely wrong.

Do yourself a favor, and start looking for sources other than Gordon Kelly.
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