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Magmarock: Oh boy this must be a response to my thread. Why not just post there instead of making a new one?...
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Lin545: I don't think so either. Sorry.

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Magmarock: ...Whatever I'll just resume from here.
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Lin545: Got code?
What?
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Magmarock: What?
Markdown for outlining of your propositions and then Cxx/Python to implement different package manager approach.

This is a good** comparison of package managers, I think you know how to use VM to compare yourself and push notes into markdown?

**[url=https://www.slant.co/topics/344/~best-linux-package-managers]https://www.slant.co/topics/344/~best-linux-package-managers[/url]
(curses forum link parsing)
Post edited June 26, 2018 by Lin545
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dtgreene: 2. Can easily tinker with the OS. Here's something to try: [snip] Try getting the system to run entirely from RAM
And then use VRAM for swap! :-)
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Magmarock: What?
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Lin545: Markdown for outlining of your propositions and then Cxx/Python to implement different package manager approach.

This is a good** comparison of package managers, I think you know how to use VM to compare yourself and push notes into markdown?

**[url=https://www.slant.co/topics/344/~best-linux-package-managers]https://www.slant.co/topics/344/~best-linux-package-managers[/url]
(curses forum link parsing)
I guess I like the apk system for Android because you can easily download them from the web and back them up using tools like apk extractor. Backup deb files from the repository is a lot more work and a lot more specific to the distro making it very impractical.
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Magmarock: But for all it's problems I actually recommend that you do try Linux. I'd very much like to know what your impressions are.
I'll even help you if you like. If you're afraid of losing your current Windows setup, don't be. There's a free program you can get that will image your thus restoring it exactly how it was making Linux safe to install and try. PM me if you'd like more information.
I have a NUC I could try it on, at least if the Linux installers support USB3.0 out of the box (that was a battle with installing Win7 on it). Time is the bigger consideration, and need. I'm not having problems with Win10, probably because I don't do anything fancy with it - games and office stuff - and it's installed on newer hardware, and thus no particular need to go down that rabbit hole. Maybe sometime if I break a leg and get laid up for a while. It's mostly just for personal curiosity that I ask about Linux.
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Trilarion: The only thing I don't like is if something doesn't work and there is no documentation about it.
I am not sure I agree with that. Whenever I think "How can I do X?" or "How do I fix X?", I google for it and get a solution there, but the difference between Linux and Windows is:

Windows: I am quite often pointed to some silly long Youtube videos which show me which menu to go etc. etc. etc., quite cumbersome trying to follow that Youtube video and at the same time do it on your Windows desktop.

Linux: I am pointed to some web page which tells a couple of long bash commands I just need to run, or which config file to edit. I just copy&paste the commands or config changes from that web page and that's it.
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Magmarock: But for all it's problems I actually recommend that you do try Linux. I'd very much like to know what your impressions are.
I'll even help you if you like. If you're afraid of losing your current Windows setup, don't be. There's a free program you can get that will image your thus restoring it exactly how it was making Linux safe to install and try. PM me if you'd like more information.
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HereForTheBeer: I have a NUC I could try it on, at least if the Linux installers support USB3.0 out of the box (that was a battle with installing Win7 on it). Time is the bigger consideration, and need. I'm not having problems with Win10, probably because I don't do anything fancy with it - games and office stuff - and it's installed on newer hardware, and thus no particular need to go down that rabbit hole. Maybe sometime if I break a leg and get laid up for a while. It's mostly just for personal curiosity that I ask about Linux.
But you must experience the joy of having your computer turned into a giant smartphone with no apps for it. :> Yes it does support USB 3 and you can also get Win 7 to install from a USB 3 naively but it's quite technical. You need to use DISM or NTlite to do it.
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Trilarion: The only thing I don't like is if something doesn't work and there is no documentation about it.
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timppu: I am not sure I agree with that. Whenever I think "How can I do X?" or "How do I fix X?", I google for it and get a solution there, but the difference between Linux and Windows is:

Windows: I am quite often pointed to some silly long Youtube videos which show me which menu to go etc. etc. etc., quite cumbersome trying to follow that Youtube video and at the same time do it on your Windows desktop.

Linux: I am pointed to some web page which tells a couple of long bash commands I just need to run, or which config file to edit. I just copy&paste the commands or config changes from that web page and that's it.
That's actually a pretty good analogy. Though I don't use YT that much. I know Windows quite well.
Post edited June 26, 2018 by Magmarock
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Magmarock: and you can also get Win 7 to install from a USB 3 naively but it's quite technical. You need to use DISM or NTlite to do it.
DISM is what I used. Wasn't easy. : )

Maybe if I get a wild hair up my rear end and run out of other things to do with a free day, I'll give Linux a go. For now, just an interested observer.
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HereForTheBeer: Maybe if I get a wild hair up my rear end and run out of other things to do with a free day, I'll give Linux a go. For now, just an interested observer.
I think you need to have some reason to use Linux, otherwise the experience will probably be like "ok so there's a desktop and the mouse pointer and I can do stuff here like in Windows, so what?". Similarly pointless as it would be for me to e.g. start using a Mac or iPhone. I just don't feel any need to do so, not even for curiosity.

Plus, at first you'll be irritated because things work differently or are found in different places than what you are used to in Windows. Same as me those few times, wondering where to find anything on iPhone, or why does it (or a Mac mouse) have only one button. Makes no sense, I tell you!
Post edited June 26, 2018 by timppu
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timppu: or why does it (or a Mac mouse) have only one button. Makes no sense, I tell you!
Woah, seriously? I had no idea.
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timppu: I think you need to have some reason to use Linux, otherwise the experience will probably be like "ok so there's a desktop and the mouse pointer and I can do stuff here like in Windows, so what?".
That's it, for me anyway. Been reading the reasons people use it, with security and customization being big ones, and then I look at what I do with Windows and how I operate online. And, eh, Win10 is going fine with little effort on my part. I've become a lazy user, which is a bit sad considering I used to be pretty good at getting DOS games running back in the day, jumping through the hoops to eke out the last tiny bit of usable RAM, etc. Had a lot more interest in the nuts-and-bolts of this stuff, in my younger years.
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timppu: or why does it (or a Mac mouse) have only one button. Makes no sense, I tell you!
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InkPanther: Woah, seriously? I had no idea.
Frankly I don't know how it is nowadays, maybe it has evolved a long time ago to have ten mouse buttons.

EDIT: https://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/52748/why-do-macs-only-have-one-mouse-button

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HereForTheBeer: That's it, for me anyway. Been reading the reasons people use it, with security and customization being big ones, and then I look at what I do with Windows and how I operate online. And, eh, Win10 is going fine with little effort on my part. I've become a lazy user, which is a bit sad considering I used to be pretty good at getting DOS games running back in the day, jumping through the hoops to eke out the last tiny bit of usable RAM, etc. Had a lot more interest in the nuts-and-bolts of this stuff, in my younger years.
Yeah if you are already doing everything you need on Windows, you probably won't be enlightened or anything by trying out Linux and feel any need to use it instead, at least for home use. At best, you might think "Ok so Linux seems quite usable, one can do similar stuff on it as on Windows like go online with a web browser and blaa blaa blaa" and that's it.

For me maybe one of the positive findings in Linux in the long run was the revelation that HEY some things are actually easier and/or faster to do in a shell (command prompt), especially when you want to automatize things. Before that I was all like "everything is better on a GUI with a mouse, typing commands is so 1980s". Many times I kinda start missing bash when doing stuff on Windows. But as said, nowadays there is PowerShell, I guess, but overall Windows still seems to be inclined into the thinking that "thou shalt useth thy mouseth".
Post edited June 26, 2018 by timppu
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HereForTheBeer:
Hey, I'm pretty damn lazy and I've been using Ubuntu as a daily driver for a couple of years now. I don't think it's complicated, just different.

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timppu:
Pretty interesting. This shows how little I had to do with Macs. ;)
Post edited June 26, 2018 by InkPanther
I'm about to switch to Ubuntu after using Windows for so many years.